Lumias shipping more than all Blackberries

[SAWYER]

http://www.theverge.com/2013/7/18/4534266/nokia-lumia-vs-blackberry-sales-q2-2013

 

[rsutoratosu]

sad

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

At this point Microsoft is holding Lumia back with Windows Phone. They desperately need to start moving at a break-neck pace to reach feature parity with iOS and Android and also to flesh out their app market.

I predict once the Nokia 5" 1080P quadcore phones are out next year we may start seeing some momentum in North America.

 

[RandomFool]

I'm a big fan of Windows Phone but I totally agree that MS is dropping the ball. Last rumor I read was there wouldn't be an 8.1 WP update until 2014 which is ridiculous for an OS that's so far behind. The GDR updates are nice but aren't going to win people over.

 

[Aganazer]

At this point Microsoft is holding Lumia back with Windows Phone. They desperately need to start moving at a break-neck pace to reach feature parity with iOS and Android and also to flesh out their app market.

I predict once the Nokia 5" 1080P quadcore phones are out next year we may start seeing some momentum in North America.

That's exactly what I've been waiting for. 1080p 5" with the badass 41mp camera. I'd drop my s4 for that. I'm not particularly attached to any apps or features on Android.

 

[AstroManLuca]

I like WP8 but I agree that they need to add some basic features. Support for higher resolution screens, more than 2 cores, and giving apps write access to the SD card would be a good start. I understand the philosophy of keeping everything tightly controlled to provide the best possible user experience, but sometimes it gets in its own way.

The result is, in my mind, WP8 is a "low end" smartphone OS. iOS and Android are on one tier, and WP8 is a tier below them. I'm totally happy with my Lumia 521, but I feel like all I would gain from a more expensive device would be a better camera and screen.

 

[darkewaffle]

I'm totally happy with my Lumia 521, but I feel like all I would gain from a more expensive device would be a better camera and screen.

As opposed to CPU cores and RAM that sit idle for 99% of users?

I'd rather have a better screen and camera than faster silicon. It's much more applicable to the usage model.

 

[BladeVenom]

So what is it, the battle for 10th place?

 

[dguy6789]

As opposed to CPU cores and RAM that sit idle for 99% of users?

I'd rather have a better screen and camera than faster silicon. It's much more applicable to the usage model.

Nonsense. The most powerful smartphone on the market is still not even remotely close to being fast enough. Tons of websites run like garbage on modern smartphones due to their lack of resources. It's extremely easy to bring any phone to its knees if you're trying to web browse and occasionally switch to messaging apps and twitter and facebook and back.

 

[darkewaffle]

It's extremely easy to bring any phone to its knees if you're trying to web browse and occasionally switch to messaging apps and twitter and facebook and back.

So that's what it's like to be on Android, now I see!

I stick mostly to texting and browsing on my phone, but haven't had it struggle over anything yet personally, even if I have a few different conversation "tabs" (screens? windows? whatever) open simultaneously. I'm a light user however, but I think that most people would fall more under "simple taskers" than "heavy multi taskers".

 

[dguy6789]

I'm a light user however, but I think that most people would fall more under "simple taskers" than "heavy multi taskers".

Considering other OSes don't have multitasking that would make sense.

 

[bearxor]

At this point Microsoft is holding Lumia back with Windows Phone. They desperately need to start moving at a break-neck pace to reach feature parity with iOS and Android and also to flesh out their app market.

This. Microsoft needs to be just throwing huge wads of cash that direction. They need to show they're serious. Right now I just think they're poking along, perfectly OK with whatever is happening.

There's so much good about WP. But the few things that aren't good are some of the biggest issues.

I predict once the Nokia 5" 1080P quadcore phones are out next year we may start seeing some momentum in North America.

I really don't think this matters. I hope that if Nokia decides to release phablets that they'll at least have a flagship level device in the 4.3-4.5" range. Even the L920 is a little large for me, but doable.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

This. Microsoft needs to be just throwing huge wads of cash that direction. They need to show they're serious. Right now I just think they're poking along, perfectly OK with whatever is happening.

There's so much good about WP. But the few things that aren't good are some of the biggest issues.


I really don't think this matters. I hope that if Nokia decides to release phablets that they'll at least have a flagship level device in the 4.3-4.5" range. Even the L920 is a little large for me, but doable.

I suspect Nokia will continue offering 4.3-4.7" flagship devices alongside a supersized phablet 5" 1080P monster. They are fleshing their product line out quite nicely.

 

[dawheat]

I suspect Nokia will continue offering 4.3-4.7" flagship devices alongside a supersized phablet 5" 1080P monster. They are fleshing their product line out quite nicely.

5" = supersized phablet?

 

[pantsaregood]

While I think that features that Windows Phone lacks are severely overstated at this point, I will concede that Microsoft needs to increase the pace of their release schedule. While 1080p support and new SoCs for Windows Phone sound nice, I honestly believe that Microsoft needs to continue down the path of adding features.

Also, Windows Phone does allow real multitasking.

Microsoft pushes out a substantial update for Windows Phone late in every year.

Windows Phone 7 was released in October 2010.
Windows Phone 7.5 was released in September 2011.
Windows Phone 8 was released in October 2012.
Windows Phone 8.1 doesn't look like it will be released any earlier than December 2013.

Microsoft is adhering to a yearly update schedule, while Google usually takes less than nine months to release OS updates. WP 8.1 will be a significant improvement if it's anywhere near as substantial as WP 7.5 was, but Microsoft needs to accelerate.

Also of note is that this is only representative of Nokia vs. BlackBerry. Nokia accounted for around 83% of the Windows Phone market in May, so overall sales of Windows Phones were likely around 9 million in this quarter, which certainly puts the WP ecosystem in a healthier place than BlackBerry.

 

[pcsavvy]

I agree with pantsaregood.

I love my Lumia 928, the screen is crisp and brilliant, the response is lag free, and so far I am not having any issues with lag or frozen screen. I had an android phone, granted it was not top of line but after a few months it would start to lag and have problems.

There are things that Microsoft can improve but I think that is true of all hardware/software that has fast upgrades.

I am looking forward to the latest Windows GDR2 update along with Nokia's Amber update for my phone. Hopefully when Windows 8.1 is released for Windows phone that it is a substantial upgrade and not a lick and spit type upgrade.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Nonsense. The most powerful smartphone on the market is still not even remotely close to being fast enough. Tons of websites run like garbage on modern smartphones due to their lack of resources. It's extremely easy to bring any phone to its knees if you're trying to web browse and occasionally switch to messaging apps and twitter and facebook and back.

This must be an Android thing. I highly doubt people on iOS are screaming for more performance because their iPhones feel like lagfests. Windows Phones are quite fast and run well considering their low hardware specs.

 

[Ravynmagi]

This must be an Android thing. I highly doubt people on iOS are screaming for more performance because their iPhones feel like lagfests. Windows Phones are quite fast and run well considering their low hardware specs.

Yeah, unfortunately true. And sadly Chrome is still pretty bad on Android (Google don't you make both of those products, why they no likey each other?). When I use Dolphin web browsing usually flies. But Dolphin gets a little buggy at times and it doesn't sync my desktop bookmarks. So I tend to stick with the laggy browser.

Android definitely needs all the power it can get and then some. My Nexus 4 isn't too bad now with 2GB of RAM and the quad core Krait processor. But I've played with some more powerful phones that are definitely slower because of all the crap Samsung puts in Touchwiz (oh my god what is with the 50 toggle buttons in the notification tray for?).

I love Android, but it's a pig.

 

[PingviN]

So what is it, the battle for 10th place?

I think 5th.

 

[BladeVenom]

I think 5th.

They weren't in the top 5 last quarter, and I heard Blackberry has dropped out of the top 10.

1. Samsung
2. Apple
3. LG
4. Huawei
5. ZTE
http://www.unwiredview.com/2013/04/...s-apple-nokia-and-blackberry-not-in-top-five/

 

[Sheninat0r]

Considering other OSes don't have multitasking that would make sense.

Nonsense. The most powerful smartphone on the market is still not even remotely close to being fast enough. Tons of websites run like garbage on modern smartphones due to their lack of resources. It's extremely easy to bring any phone to its knees if you're trying to web browse and occasionally switch to messaging apps and twitter and facebook and back.

I see the kind of lag you talk about frequently on my Galaxy Nexus, but I always thought that was because the phone is a piece of crap. However, I've used an iP5 with much more heavy multitasking than I ever did on my GN and never saw any appreciable lag.

Also, do you care to explain how iOS and WP8 don't multitask? The last time I saw the "Android is the only OS with true multitasking" argument was back when iOS actually had no multitasking and WP7 wasn't out yet.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

I see the kind of lag you talk about frequently on my Galaxy Nexus, but I always thought that was because the phone is a piece of crap. However, I've used an iP5 with much more heavy multitasking than I ever did on my GN and never saw any appreciable lag.

Also, do you care to explain how iOS and WP8 don't multitask? The last time I saw the "Android is the only OS with true multitasking" argument was back when iOS actually had no multitasking and WP7 wasn't out yet.

The OSes with true multitasking was Palm and Symbian. I haven't used Palm that much but from the demo videos, that was true multitasking. Full blown multitasking.

Even Android you don't have a way to keep your apps open. Persistent apps like BBS and Launchers reload from time to time. It's really at the system's whim to kill it or not. And seriously, telling me to get a 2GB phone isn't really a solution to me. If you can't keep a launcher loaded in memory that runs on a 512mb or 256mb phone even, then how should 2Gb matter? (Let's not even talk about how I can demo my Nexus 4 redrawing right now).

I'm well versed in Symbian and back then you could open app after app after app. If you forgot to close out the app, it would sit in memory and remain in the background. On Android, there was the whole debacle about whether or not you need to exit an app, and it was determined--no. So how's that full blown multitasking anyway? The system determines when the app closes, not you.

Furthermore, Android, like iOS and WP use saved states extensively. There's multitasking APIs to run audio in the background, download, finish loading webpages, background pull, etc. but in the end apps like Angry Birds won't continue to run where your bird continues flying if you switch out. Youtube won't play in the background with sound only, etc.

The truth is mobile multitasking is truly limited, and while everyone loves to slam iOS for lacking in multitasking, Android is lacking itself too. Until its the same multitasking I get on my PC, it's NOT full blown multitasking. So people need to stop acting like Android uses more power and lags more because its true multitasking. By that logic my PC should be a slideshow.

 

[silverpig]

The OSes with true multitasking was Palm and Symbian. I haven't used Palm that much but from the demo videos, that was true multitasking. Full blown multitasking.

Even Android you don't have a way to keep your apps open. Persistent apps like BBS and Launchers reload from time to time. It's really at the system's whim to kill it or not. And seriously, telling me to get a 2GB phone isn't really a solution to me. If you can't keep a launcher loaded in memory that runs on a 512mb or 256mb phone even, then how should 2Gb matter? (Let's not even talk about how I can demo my Nexus 4 redrawing right now).

I'm well versed in Symbian and back then you could open app after app after app. If you forgot to close out the app, it would sit in memory and remain in the background. On Android, there was the whole debacle about whether or not you need to exit an app, and it was determined--no. So how's that full blown multitasking anyway? The system determines when the app closes, not you.

Furthermore, Android, like iOS and WP use saved states extensively. There's multitasking APIs to run audio in the background, download, finish loading webpages, background pull, etc. but in the end apps like Angry Birds won't continue to run where your bird continues flying if you switch out. Youtube won't play in the background with sound only, etc.

The truth is mobile multitasking is truly limited, and while everyone loves to slam iOS for lacking in multitasking, Android is lacking itself too. Until its the same multitasking I get on my PC, it's NOT full blown multitasking. So people need to stop acting like Android uses more power and lags more because its true multitasking. By that logic my PC should be a slideshow.

BB10 does true multitasking. I've got a Z10 and quite like it. I'm going to upgrade to the A10 when it comes out.

It doesn't do as much (because of apps) as Android and iOS right now, but what it does, it does well.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

BB10 does true multitasking. I've got a Z10 and quite like it. I'm going to upgrade to the A10 when it comes out.

It doesn't do as much (because of apps) as Android and iOS right now, but what it does, it does well.

Sorry. Didn't mean to exclude BB10. I haven't kept up with BB so I haven't considered it at all. But glad to hear it has multitasking.

I think my point like it was from 2009 is that you don't really need full blown multitasking until you have multi window. So until multi window isn't just a Samsung thing, the whole app switching really behaves just like a saved state like in iOS.

 

[pantsaregood]

The OSes with true multitasking was Palm and Symbian. I haven't used Palm that much but from the demo videos, that was true multitasking. Full blown multitasking.

Even Android you don't have a way to keep your apps open. Persistent apps like BBS and Launchers reload from time to time. It's really at the system's whim to kill it or not. And seriously, telling me to get a 2GB phone isn't really a solution to me. If you can't keep a launcher loaded in memory that runs on a 512mb or 256mb phone even, then how should 2Gb matter? (Let's not even talk about how I can demo my Nexus 4 redrawing right now).

I'm well versed in Symbian and back then you could open app after app after app. If you forgot to close out the app, it would sit in memory and remain in the background. On Android, there was the whole debacle about whether or not you need to exit an app, and it was determined--no. So how's that full blown multitasking anyway? The system determines when the app closes, not you.

Furthermore, Android, like iOS and WP use saved states extensively. There's multitasking APIs to run audio in the background, download, finish loading webpages, background pull, etc. but in the end apps like Angry Birds won't continue to run where your bird continues flying if you switch out. Youtube won't play in the background with sound only, etc.

The truth is mobile multitasking is truly limited, and while everyone loves to slam iOS for lacking in multitasking, Android is lacking itself too. Until its the same multitasking I get on my PC, it's NOT full blown multitasking. So people need to stop acting like Android uses more power and lags more because its true multitasking. By that logic my PC should be a slideshow.

You're, for the most part, right. There are WP8 YouTube clients (and that probably means Android/iOS YouTube clients) that allow audio from videos to continue playing in the background. Nokia Drive+ also goes a little further than simply using background audio APIs, as does the newest iteration of WhatsApp.

That said, I honestly believe the concept of tombstoning apps is, for the most part, preferable to "true" multitasking. There are times when background processing is necessary, but in most cases it accomplishes nothing other than killing performance and resulting in frustration for the user.