Lumia 920 vs HTC 8x

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So I've had both of these phones for the past week - the Lumia on AT&T, the HTC on Verizon. I thought I'd post my thoughts on how the two compare in case there was anyone out there not sure about the two. If you have nothing to say other than "Why would you buy either when you can buy [X] running [Y] OS" please save bandwidth and don't bother - that will add nothing to this discussion and has nothing to do with this topic.

So, that said, let's get down to it....

Build / Hardware

Personally, I am a fan of smaller devices. I think phones about the size of the original Galaxy S are the best form factor, so the ever-increasing screen size of today's smartphones is something I find a bit unfortunate.

As I'm sure you're aware, the Lumia is a big device. It's big in all dimensions. The two factors that are most often discussed - the thickness and the weight - don't really bother me. However, it's a bit too wide for my liking. It's not terribly easy to use one handed. The HTC, on the other hand, its thinner in both directions, tapered on the rear, and has a soft-touch back which, all together, really make it a dream to hold.

While I give the edge to the HTC in terms of physical size, the build quality of the Nokia is fantastic. It's a very solidly built device - if I dropped it, I would be more concerned about damaging the floor than my phone. The buttons are also better placed and have a better feel. The power button on the HTC in particular is inconvenient - it's at the top of a very tall device, and not easy to push. So while I prefer the experience of holding the HTC, the Nokia is still a very solidly built phone that's easy to use in its own ways.

Display

The Lumia has a 4.5" 1280x768 display, whereas the HTC has a 4.3" 1280x720 display. In practice, text on the HTC is a bit sharper and a bit wider viewing angles, but the Lumia wins in virtually every other regard. It has better black levels, better colors, better sunlight visibility.

The different aspect ratios both have their advantages. Apps that have not been updated for Windows Phone 8 will have a black bar across the top of the screen on the HTC, not unlike non-iOS 6 apps on the iPhone 5. However, for apps that can be updated, and for built in feeds / browsing, you can see more content at once on the 8x. Personally, I'm more a fan of the 15:9 aspect ratio, but to each their own.

Camera

This one is easy - but not as easy as I expected it to be. The Lumia 920's PureView camera has been discussed and demoed everywhere - and it really is that good. Its phenomenal in low light situations, both with and without the flash. When the flash is enabled, it's a bit more natural than the usual smartphone washed-out look, and thanks to optical image stabilization, it's very good without the flash too.

However, the camera on the 8x is no slouch. It takes very clear, sharp pictures with natural colors. For a smartphone, it handles low light situations pretty well - just not as good as the Lumia. So while the Lumia's camera is clearly superior, the 8x isn't a bad smartphone camera by any means.

Software

When comparing the exclusive software for the two devices, it's really no contest. Nokia's 1st party suite alone is solid enough to win this category. Nokia Drive, Nokia Music, Nokia Transit are all very well done and very useful. The HTC Hub is nice, but doesn't really add any new functionality.

When it comes to third party software, the Lumia wins again. Nokia has exclusive access to ESPN, Bloomberg, Mirrors Edge, and others - and exclusive free versions of Words With Friends and Draw Something. Meanwhile, the HTC has Verizon Navigator, which has a monthly fee and head to head is rather inferior to Nokia Drive. VZW Nav doesn't support landscape mode, doesn't have a night mode, requires a data connection, doesn't run in the background, and overall just doesn't have as good of a feel as Nokia Drive - sad that an app with a monthly subscription is inferior to a free one in every way.

One feature Verizon offers that AT&T doesn't is Data Sense. It's a nice touch - you can see how much data you're using by app, set limits, and automatically stop apps from using data in the background when you're nearing your limit. Plus, data is compressed through a proxy server, lowering your data usage. Hopefully AT&T adds support for this soon - it isn't a deal breaker, but it's definitely a nice feature on the Verizon phones.

Battery

The Lumia has a 200 mAh larger battery than the HTC. In practice, the HTC is more consistent. The Lumia sometimes will get me through a day with room to spare, and sometimes is dead before the end of the work day. The HTC consistently gets me through the day - but barely. I wonder if there is a reporting bug or something in the Lumia...the inconsistency is odd. Also, WiFi seems to be a much bigger power draw than LTE on the Lumia.

Wireless charging is definitely pretty cool, although in my case, present on both devices. It's worth noting that on AT&T, the 8x does not have wireless charging.

Audio

HTC loves to tout Beats Audio - and I have to say, it isn't a gimmick. Even though the Lumia has an equalizer that lets you fine tune your sound, with Beats enabled, the HTC still sounds cleared, with a bit more thump in the bass, and more volume too. So if one of your biggest uses is music, it's worth a listen.

Unfortunately, HTC kept themselves from a solid win here by only including 16 GB of memory and no expandable memory. The new Xbox music / cloud match system makes it less of an issue - with my Zune Pass, all of my songs on my computer are automatically enabled to stream to my device. However, that uses data whenever you want music, and sometimes when you want music, you don't have solid coverage...the gym is one of those places for me. More memory or an expansion slot would have been very welcome on the HTC.

The Lumia, with its 32 GB of storage and equalizer, is certainly no slouch in the audio category. It may not match the Beats output, but it does still sound good, and with a good amount of storage, too.

Overall

Every time I pick up the 8x, I get a little sad. Sad because it's a joy to hold - it just feels right in your hand. Then after that initial joy passes I realize that the Lumia is superior in most other categories, and I really should keep that one.

There will be people who prefer the HTC - people who really like smaller phones, listen to a lot of music, or have to have Verizon. For most others, the Lumia is the phone of choice.

For me? Well....I haven't decided yet. I'm leaning towards the Nokia at this point, but I've been quite vocal about my preference for smaller devices, and in that aspect, I REALLY like the HTC. So, we'll see...I have until Saturday to decide. Oddly enough, both at my home and my office I get markedly better reception from AT&T than Verizon, which I realize isn't the case in a lot of places, but happens to be for me....
 

OBLAMA2009

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maybe you should compare both of these phone to droid razr maxx hd, and then get that phone
 

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maybe you should compare both of these phone to droid razr maxx hd, and then get that phone

Does the Droid RAZR MAXX HD run Windows Phone 8? Cuz that is what it sounds like Deeko is looking for.

Deeko, I thought the Nokia apps were coming to all devices. And Data Sense is supposed to be an OS level feature.

One last thing, any chance at all that the AT&T & Verizon 8Xs have the same radios?
 

Deeko

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Maybe you should read more....

maybe you should compare both of these phone to droid razr maxx hd, and then get that phone

Of you have nothing to say other than "Why would you buy either when you can buy [X] running [Y] OS" please save bandwidth and don't bother - that will add nothing to this discussion and has nothing to do with this topic..

Either way I have likely owned more Android phones than most, so please don't assume I just haven't used your mythical hero device.
 

Deeko

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Deeko, I thought the Nokia apps were coming to all devices. And Data Sense is supposed to be an OS level feature.

One last thing, any chance at all that the AT&T & Verizon 8Xs have the same radios?

What I read is that Nokia made their apps available to other manufacturers...the specifics of that, they haven't announced. That could mean a number of things in the long run, but either way they aren't there now. Data Sense also needs to be implemented by the carrier, and while AT&T says they'll support it, so far, its just Verizon.

Not sure about the radios - this link indicates they are different: http://www.phonesreview.co.uk/2012/10/06/htc-8x-wp8-possibilities-for-att-and-verizon-at-fcc/ I will check my box and see exactly what the Verizon 8x supports...
 

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Nice little review. I would have really liked to demo a 920, but I'm on Verizon. Yea, I'm keeping my 8X. Its really perfect for me. Even with only 16GB's, that its the same as my prior iPhone, which suits me just fine.

I really like the size of the phone, and I love the OS.
 

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I returned my Lumia... maybe half a year later I'll be ready for another Lumia device. When apollo+ comes out it'll fix a lot of issues... plus I can't wait for there to be a notification center. Plus more apps... I really miss the Lumia's camera.
 

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I returned my Lumia... maybe half a year later I'll be ready for another Lumia device. When apollo+ comes out it'll fix a lot of issues... plus I can't wait for there to be a notification center. Plus more apps... I really miss the Lumia's camera.

well done, bro
 

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Does the Droid RAZR MAXX HD run Windows Phone 8? Cuz that is what it sounds like Deeko is looking for.

Deeko, I thought the Nokia apps were coming to all devices. And Data Sense is supposed to be an OS level feature.

One last thing, any chance at all that the AT&T & Verizon 8Xs have the same radios?

You don't get navigation from the nokia apps if you're on a non-nokia phone. If you want navigation built in, this is a valid thing to think about.
 

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My decision was as simple as 32 gb versus 16. The 16 simply wouldn't work for me. It's a shame, because the 8X is a lot easier to hold with 1 hand. For other reasons, a bigger screen than my iPhone's is also a plus. Just like everything else, you give and you get. I very much like the Nokia Drive software, though.
 

RampantAndroid

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The 920 is uncomfortably large in my hand, and the 820 looks really chintzy and isn't a top-tier phone.

I use a Galaxy S3, and yet somehow the 920 does seem too bulky to me, and I refuse to get an 822. I'll probably end up with an 8x to play with, but the Ativ is the best WP8 device, IMO.
 

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I returned my Lumia... maybe half a year later I'll be ready for another Lumia device. When apollo+ comes out it'll fix a lot of issues... plus I can't wait for there to be a notification center. Plus more apps... I really miss the Lumia's camera.

IMO the Lumia is a big step up from Microsoft, but they still have a lot of catching up to do.
 

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I use a Galaxy S3, and yet somehow the 920 does seem too bulky to me, and I refuse to get an 822. I'll probably end up with an 8x to play with, but the Ativ is the best WP8 device, IMO.

What makes the Ativ a better choice than the others?
 

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I wrote this up last night in the "920" thread:

If I could frankenphone the WP8 devices....

Gimme the colors of the 8S
SD Slot of the 8S
Format, body & weight of the 8X
Rear Camera hardware of the 920
Front Camera of the 8X
Video capture & processing of the 920
Image processing of the 8X
Screen tech of the 920
Sound processing of the 8X
Button layout, button material and action of the 920
32 Gig standard storage of the 920
And offer it on Verizon & AT & T
= WIN

The 8X is an incredible phone and probably actually a nicer device to live with on a day to day basis. But it's gimped with 16GB of non-expandable storage and the button layout and "action" is not as nice as the 920. Otherwise the weight difference and overall pockatability and use is much better overall than the 920. I also think that in many situations with adequate lighting the 8X shooting and processing is better for most people.
 

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Nice writeup. I like smaller phones, and I think the 8X just looks amazing. 16GB isn't a deal breaker for me, as I don't listen to much music. The main factor is that I must have Verizon, so 8X it is.

Looking forward to having Windows Phone 8 as my first smartphone OS :)
 

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I'm all for big screens, but I've never been thrilled with how thick the Lumias have been. Is there a reason they can't be as thin as the competition?
 

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What makes the Ativ a better choice than the others?

The rumor of the Ativ S originally was supposed to be a WP8 skinned Galaxy SIII. So you get a decent camera, large screen, removable battery and SD card slot. It's was the only higher end device that offered the combination of large screen + SD card reader.

But from what some of the leaks of the Odyessy have shown...it's a gimpy, chunky little 4" device that was more of a fat version of the S3 "Mini" than the bigger, svelte brother.

I still think if you take all of the strengths of the 8X, combine them with the tech of the 920 and then give it expandable storage and you one of the best smartphones on the market. Easily.
 

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What exactly is "data sense"?
Okay, I did a little Googling and kinda found out what it is.

Why did Microsoft(or was it someone else like Nokia that invented it?) implement such a feature in an "app" format rather than something that should be built-in at the OS level(meaning included in the OS) so they won't have to seek carrier approval?
 

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I returned my Lumia... maybe half a year later I'll be ready for another Lumia device. When apollo+ comes out it'll fix a lot of issues... plus I can't wait for there to be a notification center. Plus more apps... I really miss the Lumia's camera.

What do you need in a notification center? My understanding that's what live tiles give you, a entire home page of notifications.
 

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My understanding of Data Sense is that it's a suite of utilities and processes that run under the hood that aren't all controlled by the phone. When you browse with IE it's actually sending out two URL requests...one to the website and one to a server owned by MS that MS looks at and decides if it can pull it down first and compress before sending back to the phone. The compression is happening by a server owned by MS. It also will look for "roaming" wifi spots that it can auto connect to and manage data connections transparently to the user.

Given how tight and protective the US carriers are about their control over the devices and the way they manage data I'm sure that there was a lot of legal back and forth between MS & Big Red/Blue on this. The App is just easier to control than something baked in as an OS level toggle.
 

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What do you need in a notification center? My understanding that's what live tiles give you, a entire home page of notifications.

So you'd have to put a live tile on there for everything you want a notification for? I agree with him that a notification center would be nice. Also built in voice navigation, it's honestly embarrassing that Microsoft still doesn't have this.
 

Skel

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So you'd have to put a live tile on there for everything you want a notification for? I agree with him that a notification center would be nice. Also built in voice navigation, it's honestly embarrassing that Microsoft still doesn't have this.

I freely admit I haven't a clue wtf a notification center looks like, or is used for, which is why I asked. My point from looking at the phone is that the entire screen has all these notifications on it, what would having a page/screen give me that just looking at the phone doesn't?
 

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I freely admit I haven't a clue wtf a notification center looks like, or is used for, which is why I asked. My point from looking at the phone is that the entire screen has all these notifications on it, what would having a page/screen give me that just looking at the phone doesn't?

It has all those notifications only if you put a live tile on there for everything you have. If you want a less cluttered screen or want to have other shortcuts on there does that mean your SOL? I personally think every OS needs to utilize the pull down notification bar.