LulzSec

[ProfJohn]

The hacking of Sony cost $170 million.

How many jobs will be lost due to that?

It's fun to laugh at Sony for their incompetence, as long as you aren't the one footing the bill.

 

[BeauJangles]

I understand the reason, and I understand the company maybe need problems but the gamers have done nothing. They forget who they are effecting.

No, they don't. As much as the media has tried to portray these guys as idiots, especially because of their use of internet slang, they're really pretty bright. They hacked the crap out of Playstation Network because they wanted casual users to be pissed off at Sony. Right or wrong, they certainly didn't forget who was going to be punished by their actions.

And honestly, the fact that Sony can't secure the PSN is pathetic. Especially because LulzSec completely owned them through an outdated version of Apache.

 

[Duder1no]

They are bordering on terrorists.

lulz

 

[Duder1no]

 

[HAL9000]

No, they don't. As much as the media has tried to portray these guys as idiots, especially because of their use of internet slang, they're really pretty bright. They hacked the crap out of Playstation Network because they wanted casual users to be pissed off at Sony. Right or wrong, they certainly didn't forget who was going to be punished by their actions.

And honestly, the fact that Sony can't secure the PSN is pathetic. Especially because LulzSec completely owned them through an outdated version of Apache.

I'm not saying they are no intelligent, perhaps a better american insult to use her would be they are "douches" they may be intelligent, but that doesn't mean they are causing untold havoc with no appreciation for the "little guys" they are affecting

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Yup, morons.

 

[HAL9000]

The hacking of Sony cost $170 million.

How many jobs will be lost due to that?

It's fun to laugh at Sony for their incompetence, as long as you aren't the one footing the bill.

Exactly my point, they aren't just effecting the big guy at the top, they are effecting the innocents at the bottom.

 

[Duder1no]

Yup, morons.

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[HAL9000]

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What?

 

[gaidensensei]

The hacking of Sony cost $170 million.

How many jobs will be lost due to that?

It's fun to laugh at Sony for their incompetence, as long as you aren't the one footing the bill.

It could have been worse. It was waiting to happen, if they didn't do it another group (perhaps much blacker, no pun intended) could have gotten away with far more.

 

[Duder1no]

lulz

 

[HAL9000]

It could have been worse. It was waiting to happen, if they didn't do it another group (perhaps much blacker, no pun intended) could have gotten away with far more.

That's also possible, but I maintain that they should have notified sony of the problems.

 

[BeauJangles]

The hacking of Sony cost $170 million.

How many jobs will be lost due to that?

It's fun to laugh at Sony for their incompetence, as long as you aren't the one footing the bill.

And that's entirely Sony's fault, particularly the people who SHOULD lose their jobs over this breach. I'm sorry, but if you can't keep Apache up to date and if you're security team doesn't notice that any idiot with five minutes worth of work can access your network as a developer, guest, or whatever else they want, you've got serious problems.

What's worse is that these same problems have existed for years and, even though people have tried to make Sony aware of them, they've turned a blind eye (yes, I'm aware that the exact exploits used by LulzSec weren't around for years). That is complete incompetence bordering on negligence.

It isn't Sony's job to be a charity and continue to employ incompetent people.

 

[TheVrolok]

No, they don't. As much as the media has tried to portray these guys as idiots, especially because of their use of internet slang, they're really pretty bright. They hacked the crap out of Playstation Network because they wanted casual users to be pissed off at Sony. Right or wrong, they certainly didn't forget who was going to be punished by their actions.

And honestly, the fact that Sony can't secure the PSN is pathetic. Especially because LulzSec completely owned them through an outdated version of Apache.

So, my neighbor is an asshole and he leaves his doors unlocked. Should I hustle over, walk in, and steal his things to teach him a lesson? After all, he was doing things I disapproved of, and he did leave a glaring security hole in his house.

 

[Duder1no]

So, my neighbor is an asshole and he leaves his doors unlocked. Should I hustle over, walk in, and steal his things to teach him a lesson? After all, he was doing things I disapproved of, and he did leave a glaring security hole in his house.

Of course!

He learns a lesson, you profit, everyone wins.

 

[nick1985]

So, my neighbor is an asshole and he leaves his doors unlocked. Should I hustle over, walk in, and steal his things to teach him a lesson? After all, he was doing things I disapproved of, and he did leave a glaring security hole in his house.

Yes, take his shit

:thumbsup:

 

[gaidensensei]

So, my neighbor is an asshole and he leaves his doors unlocked. Should I hustle over, walk in, and steal his things to teach him a lesson? After all, he was doing things I disapproved of, and he did leave a glaring security hole in his house.

You left out the part where your neighbor was trolling a friend of yours online.

 

[ProfJohn]

Do you really think that the only people who lose their jobs at the incompetent people at the top???

What happens is this:
Sony closes Tucson video- game studio, two others
205 people without a job now.
http://azstarnet.com/business/local/article_0ed8bc8f-e575-5935-aa81-559ec7ad19f0.html

$170 million is a LOT of money and that has to come from somewhere.


BTW the studio closing is probably not related to the hacking, but it is an example of what could and probably will happen.

 

[HAL9000]

So, my neighbor is an asshole and he leaves his doors unlocked. Should I hustle over, walk in, and steal his things to teach him a lesson? After all, he was doing things I disapproved of, and he did leave a glaring security hole in his house.

I say don't stop there, if you see someone littering when they walk down the street then you should shoot them three times in the chest and take their wallet. That way the learn the valuable lessons a) Don't litter and b) always wear a bullet proof vest. You also get some money win win

/LulzSec mentality.

 

[BeauJangles]

So, my neighbor is an asshole and he leaves his doors unlocked. Should I hustle over, walk in, and steal his things to teach him a lesson? After all, he was doing things I disapproved of, and he did leave a glaring security hole in his house.

How is that even remotely what happened to Sony? Sony knowingly accepts credit cards and knows that by accepting and storing them, they have to provide security for them. They hire people to create that security. That security is a massive fail.

It would be like a bank hiring a private security company to secure the vault, but the security company forgetting to completely lock the door when they go home. Should you steal from them? That's entirely your prerogative, but inevitably someone will try and when they succeed most of the blame has to fall on the company responsible for the security of your money.

Analogy fail.

 

[nick1985]

How is that even remotely what happened to Sony? Sony knowingly accepts credit cards and knows that by accepting and storing them, they have to provide security for them. They hire people to create that security. That security is a massive fail.

It would be like a bank hiring a private security company to secure the vault, but the security company forgetting to completely lock the door when they go home. Should you steal from them? That's entirely your prerogative, but inevitably someone will try and when they succeed most of the blame has to fall on the company responsible for the security of your money.

Analogy fail.

:thumbsup:

 

[BeauJangles]

Do you really think that the only people who lose their jobs at the incompetent people at the top???

What happens is this:
Sony closes Tucson video- game studio, two others
205 people without a job now.
http://azstarnet.com/business/local/article_0ed8bc8f-e575-5935-aa81-559ec7ad19f0.html

$170 million is a LOT of money and that has to come from somewhere.


BTW the studio closing is probably not related to the hacking, but it is an example of what could and probably will happen.

They're estimated to make $2.54 billion in profits, even counting in the earthquake and this security breach. Again, I don't feel bad for the security folks who lost their jobs of this hack.

 

[ProfJohn]

They're estimated to make $2.54 billion in profits, even counting in the earthquake and this security breach. Again, I don't feel bad for the security folks who lost their jobs of this hack.

Seriously??

You go into work tomorrow and the boss calls everyone into a meeting and says
"hackers got in to my bank account and took all the money so I am going to have to close up shop and let everyone go. Sorry, it's my fault for not having better security."

 

[BeauJangles]

Seriously??

You go into work tomorrow and the boss calls everyone into a meeting and says
"hackers got in to my bank account and took all the money so I am going to have to close up shop and let everyone go. Sorry, it's my fault for not having better security."

Again, analogy fail.

Sony is the bank in your scenario, not the boss of an unrelated company. Sony hired people explicitly to lock down their console and secure the Playstation Network from outside intrusion. These people, collectively, failed to do so and not because of some brand-new zero-day exploit that came out yesterday, but because they failed to follow basic security protocols and had major design flaws in their system, namely trusting that the clients connecting to the PSN were not doing anything malicious.

Those are unforgivable mistakes, just like CitiGroups recent security "goof" where account numbers were passed via the URL. Hackers got in their too and cleaned out a few hundred thousand accounts. Those people also deserve to be canned.

 

[Jeff7]

How is outing porn logins exposing corruption and dark secrets? What's wrong with some servicemen enjoying the wonders of Internet pron? Looks like just a bunch of asshats to me.

Agreed.
4chan at-large at least seemed to have some set of standards for who they'd go after. (And reportedly, they love cats.) The lulz were delivered just the same.

 

[ProfJohn]

What about all the other people who will lose their jobs due to this breech?

$170 million is a LOT of money and there are estimates that it could cost up to $1 billion for them to fix all the damage that has been done with customers, business relationships etc etc.

Not only are the security people going to be fired, but a bunch of people who had nothing to do with it will be fired too. The lady that answers the phone. The guy in HR, the guy who cleans the office at night. The customer support people who don't have as many customers to support so are laid off. The game studio that is shut down due to less demand for Sony games.

The cost of the hacking goes FAR beyond some guys in security getting fired (if they even get fired)