Lucid Hydra 2 More Days!

[gigahertz20]

http://event.msi.com/mb/bigbang/


I hope Anandtech releases a review for it soon, hopefully this friday when it comes out. I hope it's not going to be all hype, the Anandtech articles on it were very interesting to read and Intel was a major investor in the company.....so let's all hope this is the next huge leap forward in video card performance.

 

[Barfo]

I want benchmarks.

 

[faxon]

Originally posted by: Barfo
I want 3 way crossfire benchmarks.

fixed

 

[MarcVenice]

From what I know, a few select websites have reviewsamples. Not sure if anandtech is amongst them, but it could very well be. I wonder how it performs too. I mean, a mix between Nvidia and ATI, it be so weird to have that work. Drivers for it would have to be insane. What about imagequality? I can't really wrap my head around it, so hopefully anand or someone else does it for me.

 

[SunnyD]

Originally posted by: MarcVenice
From what I know, a few select websites have reviewsamples. Not sure if anandtech is amongst them, but it could very well be. I wonder how it performs too. I mean, a mix between Nvidia and ATI, it be so weird to have that work. Drivers for it would have to be insane. What about imagequality? I can't really wrap my head around it, so hopefully anand or someone else does it for me.

It would also mean Nvidia will have to not cripple their drivers in order to allow it to work. Given the way things go with them, I would fully expect that to happen as soon as Lucid has a shipping product. "Oh look, there's a non-Nvidia card in the system - disable all driver access NOW!"

 

[v8envy]

If they do this the way I expect there would be NO nvidia drivers for cards on the Lucid chip. There would only be Lucid drivers. The OS would see a Lucid video card, and the drivers/hardware would simply issue instructions for the "slave" hardware to render into a common buffer.

I expect using different IQ will be a least common denominator at best, and shimmery nastiness at worst. It'll probably be a bad idea to mix hardware.

Anyway, NV could rant and rave and lock all they want -- it wouldn't do much good since their drivers aren't being used. Except, of course, for hardware PhysX which will be disabled if Lucid hardware is present. We all expect that -- if it's your last card to play, play it a lot.

You know the Lucid chip could be exactly what's needed for the first generation Larry Bee to be successful. Assisted by a well-hung legacy rendering card it'd do well in legacy titles and enable raytracing games as well.

 

[StinkyPinky]

Is it even legal for Nvidia to disable their card or tell hardware to disable certain functions? We've bought it, we should be allowed to do what the hell we want with it.

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: StinkyPinky
Is it even legal for Nvidia to disable their card or tell hardware to disable certain functions? We've bought it, we should be allowed to do what the hell we want with it.

If they own some sort of IP they can do whatever they want and have proven recently that they WILL do whatever they want.

 

[Zensal]

Originally posted by: StinkyPinky
Is it even legal for Nvidia to disable their card or tell hardware to disable certain functions? We've bought it, we should be allowed to do what the hell we want with it.

Sure. You can license patents from Nvidia and develop your own drivers.

Or you can use the drivers that Nvidia provides, with their limitations.

Or you can switch to the Red Team.

The choice is yours.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Originally posted by: faxon

Originally posted by: Barfo
I want 3 way crossfire benchmarks.

fixed

Meh, 3 way is fun, but there are still several games that don't scale well or at all, and if those games can get better performance at all is what will determine the value of this technology. If it can give near double performance across the board with 2 GPUs then it will be a home run (I was tempted to use grand slam, but that would only be the case if it had zero flaws as well), anything more with 3+ GPUs is bonus, although I'd expect CPU bottlenecking to start weighing in pretty significantly

 

[Tempered81]

http://www.guru3d.com/news/msi...--motherboard-delayed/

 

[MarcVenice]

Ya, I heard the exact same thing today. Not even X58, how retarded is that. Also, does Guru3D live in the future? By Hilbert Hagedoorn, October 29, 2009 - 4:03 PM Oh and, I allready knew the motherboards wouldn't arrive next month, earliest would be end of 2009, and now it seems to be Q1 2010.

No matter where he lives, nowhere on earth is it 29th of october 4pm

 

[SunnyD]

Originally posted by: v8envy
If they do this the way I expect there would be NO nvidia drivers for cards on the Lucid chip. There would only be Lucid drivers. The OS would see a Lucid video card, and the drivers/hardware would simply issue instructions for the "slave" hardware to render into a common buffer.

I expect using different IQ will be a least common denominator at best, and shimmery nastiness at worst. It'll probably be a bad idea to mix hardware.

Anyway, NV could rant and rave and lock all they want -- it wouldn't do much good since their drivers aren't being used. Except, of course, for hardware PhysX which will be disabled if Lucid hardware is present. We all expect that -- if it's your last card to play, play it a lot.

You know the Lucid chip could be exactly what's needed for the first generation Larry Bee to be successful. Assisted by a well-hung legacy rendering card it'd do well in legacy titles and enable raytracing games as well.

It would be damn near impossible for Lucid to use a "driverless" setup for video cards. The drivers essentially translate high level calls into the optimized low level calls for the hardware. Sure, some of this functionality would be in the card's bios, but if it were the case then we wouldn't need drivers for video cards at all. All of the higher level, and more particularly optimized functionality are in the drivers. I honestly can't see a company like Nvidia handing their driver source code over to Lucid to be embedded.

Originally posted by: StinkyPinky
Is it even legal for Nvidia to disable their card or tell hardware to disable certain functions? We've bought it, we should be allowed to do what the hell we want with it.

You can do whatever the hell you want to with it. Plug it in, turn it on, hell - you can set it on fire or wipe your ass with it for all they care. Good luck writing your own optimized drivers from scratch for it though.

 

[bfdd]

Originally posted by: MarcVenice
Ya, I heard the exact same thing today. Not even X58, how retarded is that. Also, does Guru3D live in the future? By Hilbert Hagedoorn, October 29, 2009 - 4:03 PM Oh and, I allready knew the motherboards wouldn't arrive next month, earliest would be end of 2009, and now it seems to be Q1 2010.

No matter where he lives, nowhere on earth is it 29th of october 4pm

I'm holding out on building my X58 machine because there's no motherboards with it yet and I'm waiting on this review.

 

[happy medium]

Originally posted by: Tempered81
http://www.guru3d.com/news/msi...--motherboard-delayed/

No longer there. Mistake mabe?

 

[Ayah]

From Guru3D

Okay first off, we need to clear up some things. As you guys know MSI will release a motherboard with the Lucid HYDRA chip. After a chat with MSI I have just learned that this motherboard in fact is scheduled for Q1 2010, and not next month as initially expected and rumored.

I also need to make a correction, we mentioned that the Fuzion motherboard would be an X58 motherboard with the Hydra chip, that is not correct.

MSI Big Bang motherboards:

* MSI P55 GD80 Fuzion = with the Lucid Hydra chip -- this motherboard has been delayed to Q1 2010.
* MSI P55 GD80 Trinergy = with the NVIDIA NF200 chip (adds additional PCIe lanes to the motherboard) and thus is likely tri-SLI ready.

We hope that clears up some stuff, and what a bummer that the Hydra based motherboards have been delayed and again .. only P55 motherboards will get either an NF200 or Lucid Hydra ASIC.

Tomorrow we'll have some more info about the Big Bang gaming series motherboards.

 

[happy medium]

So the "BIG BANG" Is a BIG paper launch?

 

[Ayah]

Originally posted by: happy medium
So the "BIG BANG" Is a BIG paper launch?

Guru3D says it's delayed to Q1 2010.

 

[Qbah]

So we've been waiting, looking at the countdown, to a statement about the motherboards with Hydra being delayed? Great

 

[gigahertz20]

The Guru3D link was deleted, false perhaps?


If the mobo was delayed, you would think MSI would disable the count down they have going until it is launched that I posted in my OP.

 

[Qbah]

If it was false, where are the reviews? Posts? Anything?

 

[bunnyfubbles]

msi site still shows "coming soon"

 

[gigahertz20]

Apparently it was delayed. The one that will will be available is the MSI Big Bang Trinergy, this is a version that does not have the lucid hydra chip. The one that will have hydra will be called Fuzion and will not be available until Q1 2010.....damn, I want to see benchmarks.

http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/16193/37/
http://www.guru3d.com/news/msi-big-bang-fuzion-hydra-motherboard-q1-2010/

Okay first off, we need to clear up some things. As you guys know MSI will release a motherboard with the Lucid HYDRA chip. After a chat with MSI I have just learned that this motherboard in fact is scheduled for Q1 2010, and not next month as initially expected and rumored.

I also need to make a correction, we mentioned that the Fuzion motherboard would be an X58 motherboard with the Hydra chip, that is not correct.

MSI Big Bang motherboards:

MSI P55 GD80 Fuzion = with the Lucid Hydra chip -- this motherboard has been delayed to Q1 2010.
MSI P55 GD80 Trinergy = with the NVIDIA NF200 chip (adds additional PCIe lanes to the motherboard) and thus is likely tri-SLI ready.

We hope that clears up some stuff, and what a bummer that the Hydra based motherboards have been delayed and again .. only P55 motherboards will get either an NF200 or Lucid Hydra ASIC.

 

[StinkyPinky]

Epic fail by MSI

Have a big countdown and then pull it at the last moment.

 

[Idontcare]

vapor-ware is vapor