LSI Acquires Sandforce...

[Emulex]

i suspect they will want to bring cachecade internal - imagine no more better/flash back write cache because your raid controller has 16GB of ram cache and 1TB of SSD cache. those 7200 RPM RE4 drives would be usable in a server environment (think light database) because we can outperform 15K SAS drives for most branch operations.

take it further with ISCSI and FCOE hba's that LSI makes and you have something very potent - SSD caching converged network adapters. yummy

 

[e-drood]

hendrixfan

(1) additional hardware test platform, not (40) more

sata 2 / 3.0gbs + mid range cpu + 2-3 gb ram + basic graphics card & conduct ssd tests for benches...

as counterpoint to "ideal" cutting edge test hardware platform - I find that the ssd interface is the bottleneck in most cases...

 

[Yellowbeard]

hendrixfan, the anandtech benches are the creation of anand & staff and exclusively represent anandtech (public) website take on storage performance parameters - within the framework of editorial independence compromised by advertising revenue support --- this is not a subscription based website which does not accept paid advertising...mories

OK, I can't let this slide. I just gotta ask; are you saying that Anand Lal Shimpi is a liar and intentionally publishes false informatoin in exchange for money? If you are then I can only assume 2 things.

1. You have proof of payments made to Anand Lal Shimpi that were specifically given so that he would publish false results of his SSD testing.
2. You can post your own independent testing that YOU have performed here to dispute his test results?

If this is not what you are trying to say, then WTF are you saying?

 

[groberts101]

Yellowbeard.. LOL.. if you didn't understand what he said before?.. what makes you think he'll explain it in unabstracted english this time around?

here let me try it.

uneventful.. unproven.. abstraction.. obscurely demonstrated to lead the masses from the misinformed slaughter of irrelevance. Restrained temperance not withstanding.

Now don't ask me what the hell I just said there.. but maybe he understands it.

and just teasin' there a bit e-drood. I seriously wish we could understand you more so we could actually debate against your opinions on the matter. Tough to argue with someone when you don't even comprehend what was said though. lol

 

[e-drood]

fair enough you two - i've attempted 2 posts, both lost - now 1 more time - u understand prc imposes filtering, rigth... try again

 

[e-drood]

My day in HK, wednesday, just beginning - forum quotations problematic & cause posting drop-out...

I have followed Anand since "day one" and have only recently posted in response to unending SF fiasco of the marketplace as the beta tester.

I have admired Anand's editorial objectivity and within THIS THREAD have proactively and constructively attempted to highlight the potential problem of using one's self-created benchmarks in one's own product tests WHEN said product tests are hyperlinked by product manufacturers for marketing purposes - it serves the best interests of the greater tech community if a new improved benchmark is ALSO USED by other independent tech forums - the well recognized application of Peer Review to reinforce and support Editorial Objectivity...

I trust that answers your question...

and now back to the chase, several tech fund managers are querying lsi board reps as to how the sf purchase price will be quickly recovered in light of the prevailing global/regional market conditions...

cost cutting being the obvious approach until new sf/lsi product can reach market... just a thought

 

[Yellowbeard]

1. You have proof of payments made to Anand Lal Shimpi that were specifically given so that he would publish false results of his SSD testing.
2. You can post your own independent testing that YOU have performed here to dispute his test results?

OK, I'll take your ramblings to mean that you DO NOT have any proof of what you are babbling about and that you cannot refute Anand's results in any way. You answered the questions by avoiding answering the questions. Nuff said.

 

[e-drood]

enduring friendships and spirited debate are the strengths of our nation...

for all the "beta" users, pls see http://gigaom.com/2011/10/26/lsi-sandforce-chip-m-a/

SF Dec 2006 - Oct 2011, venture capital raised equalled $60mil, from "7" vc firms/partnerships - that's a lot of vc firms for 60mil folks

and "bought-out" by LSI Corp (listed) for $322mil cash less than five years later... the vc firms thought it better to take the proffered money & run...

OK, now for the bonus question:

YOU run LSI & are chained to YOUR quarterlies to underpin YOUR LSI market share price --- how will you most rapidly recoup the $322mil?

let's see, try reducing TSMC's controller chip unit price by threatening to shift all production to "another fab" - if LSI also uses TSMC this can be effective bargaining tool, but will impact on SF's controller chip various quality issues (read yield)...

you can also attempt to increase SF's sales volume through discount incentives by third parties (read all ssd purveyors)...

and you can reduce SF's overhead and make staff "adjustments"...

damn'd bleak picture as we approach Christmas 2011, we can only hope that SF will do everything possible to resolve existing firmware issues, lota fun being a "beta" user...

 

[Coup27]

uneventful.. unproven.. abstraction.. obscurely demonstrated to lead the masses from the misinformed slaughter of irrelevance. Restrained temperance not withstanding.

You forgot the ... at the end of every sentence.

 

[e-drood]

actually it's the dot dot dot, not the space dot dot dot...

so much expended effort to conceal the joke of sf...

friendship and fond memories are a lasting treasure dot

 

[groberts101]

ROFLMAO

I think it's actually more entertaining just to mess with e-drood... than to debate... with... him.

dot dot dot

 

[Coup27]

haha...

 

[e-drood]

anand has now posted & recognized existing sf problems & future expectations of lsi take-over:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5039/the-lsi-sandforce-acquisition-anands-thoughts

the marketplace will actually determine whether this marriage proves successful - different sets of needs & less common interest than lsi corporate gloss describes

time will tell, but you will have to spend your own money to find out - and no refunds if you make wrong choice buying ssd's with disfunctional controllers...

 

[Yellowbeard]

You've already stated that Anand cannot be trusted. Why would you quote him in this context???

 

[e-drood]

You have made unfounded statements about my posts in this thread.

I have posted Anand's take on LSI "Take-over" of Sandforce as part of my balanced perspective on SF Controller issues - continuing & ongoing issues.

I appreciate that you & other corporate shills will continue to disrupt threads of the Anand forums and other unrelated independent forums to promote defective products the firms you represent massively flog on the internet - the majority of consumers/users are far more peceptive than you believe - your tactics have become very obvious to most consumers.

At the present time you & other corporate shills have repeatedly promised that consumer ssd's using Sandforce controllers "are now working correctly" and this is simply not true.

Sandforce has entirely lost the opportunity to resolve SF Series 1xxx user issues and is still struggling to resolve SF Series 2xxx user issues.

Whether LSI is successful in "nurturing & developing" Sandforce into a mature architect of nand controllers remains to be seen - whether genuine product validation ever truly takes place also remains to be seen by ALL users, consumer & enterprise.

Frankly Sandforce is hopelessly naive, while LSI far better understands realworld expectations - I remain guardly hopeful.

LSI has now placed it's own rep at risk by buying Sandforce - the Enterprise market sector will not play around with Sandforce lack of validation in the continuing manner the consumer segment has tolerated.

 

[Yellowbeard]

You have made unfounded statements about my posts in this thread.

No, I haven't. You should read more carefully.

 

[groberts101]

as part of my balanced perspective on SF Controller issues

christ... I bout spit beer all over my monitor when I read that!

your perspective is no more balanced than mine is with all these "fantastic drives" makin' me cash even faster than normal on a daily basis.

You constantly speak of brown pastures while I speak of green ones. So, where's the "balance" in that?

Biggest difference is that I can lower the money colored vail and speak honestly about Sandforce's folies(not that I really need to around this joint as that job market has been cornered well enough).. while you seem never able to speak about their strengths.

I have to seriously call BS on that one. :sneaky:

and speaking of other members as corporate shills only shows your ignorance in true view. Out of all the forums I've ever been around.. I've never seen another member or paid "shill" as adamant about a products reliability as you are against this one. If you want to talk about agenda's here?.. it's pretty plain to see who has the largest one around.

 

[e-drood]

it's lunchtime thursday here in hk and the middleast political analysis is sombre and disheartening to read, but your posts always bring joy to my heart;

by the by, you do understand that lsi is aggressively moving on the enterprise niche ocz had reserved for it's next reincarnation as the master of enterprise storage, don't see anyway this will be a lush green field for your retirement years...

 

[Coup27]

it's lunchtime thursday north of the equator and the rain is coming down hard, the sound of the splash reinforcing my argument...

 

[groberts101]

OCZ can't reserve anything... "master" or not... they can only compete within the current market as everyone else is forced to do.

make it cheaper.. they will come.. make it faster.. they will come... make it cheaper, faster, and glitchy?.. then they will have come and gone. That's just tech in general.

and since I don't own OCZ/SSD stock.. I don't see how that would affect my 401k or CD maturity at all.

it's lunchtime thursday north of the equator and the rain is coming down hard, the sound of the splash reinforcing my argument...

see.. that's why I like this place on ocassion. Some witty guys show up once in a while. :thumbsup:

 

[Coup27]

see.. that's why I like this place on ocassion. Some witty guys show up once in a while. :thumbsup:

:thumbsup:

it's lunchtime friday here in hk

I really don't think it was Fridaydotdotdot

 

[e-drood]

outstanding - i had just used new samsung for first time & timezone/calendar not correctly set - now fixed

and today (read now @ 7:32am Hong Kong time) is friday and i will do my income related things & likely order an s5 for my wife (while continuing to encourage her to choose rs5 quattro special order)... and it's not yet xmas

and ocz's problems will not end - but now smaller listed shark competing with larger listed (& better experienced) predator & my money is not on ocz...

the knesset will not decide to launch, only two men will/have make decision - i won't be involved being entirely in china/asia...

 

[e-drood]

i would watch nearterm gulf crude prices as net & friends seem determined to engage iran, and this will serve no one's longterm interest... and this can be made to happen by just two men not answerable to us of a...

and why is knowing "today is friday" important, because this will not begin on a saturday - and it's remarkably close to occuring.

 

[e-drood]

significant volume purchase of atropine kits delivered tuesday - as in, for distribution to civilian population - avoidance being far less costly for all - once again hubris

a LSI nand controller in an Intel ssd is a far more palatable solution than say SF, shorterm quarterlies driving everyone... and the timing works, if the firmware works, & the user installation experience is less demanding; no blood sacrifices required --- illustrated version: as in laser etching LSI logo over SF logo, instant "new" controller chip & legal - timing is everything ***hint: tsmc is presently holding inventory of sf series 2xxx oem packs & can remark within 3wks to expedite new 520 production

and speaking of timing and the immense volumes of "sf/ocz" ssd user installation "help" posted by you since joining anand in mar 2011, this is pretty remarkable coincidence, ain't it, bro, posts like a mirror site for ocz forum threads, or not,

probably just a helpful dude with a need to help others...

 

[Coup27]

You have issues.