lowering the cost of higher education for states

[alphatarget1]

Aside from certain circumstances (like absolutely horrible professors, money), I fail to see any excuses for students to fail any more than 2 classes per semester under a normal load. (15 units)

Since most institutions owned by the states are heavily subsidized by taxpayers in that state, why don't we charge students out of state tuition when they fail more than 2 classes a semester? Maybe people will think twice before going to school and actually have a commitment to do it. There are certain circumstances that bad things happen and there should be exceptions.

Any thoughts?

 

[Rainsford]

Who fails 2 classes per semester, regularly? It doesn't seem like enough people are that terrible students to make a difference.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: alphatarget1
Aside from certain circumstances (like absolutely horrible professors, money), I fail to see any excuses for students to fail any more than 2 classes per semester under a normal load. (15 units)

Illness? Death in the family?

Since most institutions owned by the states are heavily subsidized by taxpayers in that state, why don't we charge students out of state tuition when they fail more than 2 classes a semester? Maybe people will think twice before going to school and actually have a commitment to do it. There are certain circumstances that bad things happen and there should be exceptions.

Any thoughts?

Like students need an extra financial burden. Dumb Idea.

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: alphatarget1
Aside from certain circumstances (like absolutely horrible professors, money), I fail to see any excuses for students to fail any more than 2 classes per semester under a normal load. (15 units)

Since most institutions owned by the states are heavily subsidized by taxpayers in that state, why don't we charge students out of state tuition when they fail more than 2 classes a semester? Maybe people will think twice before going to school and actually have a commitment to do it. There are certain circumstances that bad things happen and there should be exceptions.

Any thoughts?

Here at Queen's in Canada...if you fail you have to pay to rewrite an exam and if you fail that...you have to pay to take the class again.

Also at the university level, your class sizes are huge like 200-500 people...so to think you are going to save money be removing these people is a little off.

There are very few failures in my classes, maybe one or two...they are paying for it, not hindering my educaiton...i've never thought of them as a drag on the system

They are paying for a service...i don't know of any school who lets students fail and retake free.

 

[alphatarget1]

no no y'all are missing the point.

In California, the CSU system currently charges around 2k per semester for "registration" (aka tuition), and out of states student pay around $300 bucks a unit. CA residents do not pay.

When they fail classes, they have to retake them, of course. The tuition however is still subsidized so I firmly believe in that if the state starts to charge people for failing classes, let's say, someone failed 3 classes, 9 units and that'd be around $2700. That ought to make people think about going to college.

 

[alphatarget1]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Who fails 2 classes per semester, regularly? It doesn't seem like enough people are that terrible students to make a difference.

look at the dropout rates.

 

[alphatarget1]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: alphatarget1
Aside from certain circumstances (like absolutely horrible professors, money), I fail to see any excuses for students to fail any more than 2 classes per semester under a normal load. (15 units)

Illness? Death in the family?

Since most institutions owned by the states are heavily subsidized by taxpayers in that state, why don't we charge students out of state tuition when they fail more than 2 classes a semester? Maybe people will think twice before going to school and actually have a commitment to do it. There are certain circumstances that bad things happen and there should be exceptions.

Any thoughts?

Like students need an extra financial burden. Dumb Idea.

illness and death in the family usually gets you out of the classes in my school, don't know about other schools.

We can lower the cost of education by making it more efficient. In other words, only people who are interested in having an education should be given an opportunity. The states lose money when students drop out.

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: alphatarget1
no no y'all are missing the point.

In California, the CSU system currently charges around 2k per semester for "registration" (aka tuition), and out of states student pay around $300 bucks a unit. CA residents do not pay.

When they fail classes, they have to retake them, of course. The tuition however is still subsidized so I firmly believe in that if the state starts to charge people for failing classes, let's say, someone failed 3 classes, 9 units and that'd be around $2700. That ought to make people think about going to college.

Oh...see, it's different here.
retakes are not included in first year admissions...
and all canadians pay the same rate...

the only place that is different is quebec and BC...who tend to attract students from just that province.
out of province is minimally higher, but just those two provinces.

Ontario, Maritimes, Manitoba, Saskatchewan and Alberta all have one fee for the whole country.

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: alphatarget1

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: alphatarget1
Aside from certain circumstances (like absolutely horrible professors, money), I fail to see any excuses for students to fail any more than 2 classes per semester under a normal load. (15 units)

Illness? Death in the family?

Since most institutions owned by the states are heavily subsidized by taxpayers in that state, why don't we charge students out of state tuition when they fail more than 2 classes a semester? Maybe people will think twice before going to school and actually have a commitment to do it. There are certain circumstances that bad things happen and there should be exceptions.

Any thoughts?

Like students need an extra financial burden. Dumb Idea.

illness and death in the family usually gets you out of the classes in my school, don't know about other schools.

We can lower the cost of education by making it more efficient. In other words, only people who are interested in having an education should be given an opportunity. The states lose money when students drop out.

It's their fault for attracting crappy students.
if you want the good students, you need the best profs, best facilities, best research.
if they had better students they'd lose less money...

it isnt up to the student to save the state moeny, it is up to the state to save the state money...and that is by having better students

 

[SuperTool]

This solves what problem?

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Stunt

Also at the university level, your class sizes are huge like 200-500 people...so to think you are going to save money be removing these people is a little off.

Are you saying that there were 200-500 people all in one room, or 200-500 taking a certain class that's offered multiple times or something else?

 

[CycloWizard]

I doubt it would matter. It's been my experience that the people who fail do so because they lack motivation. The lack of motivation is typically a result of someone else paying for their education in the first place, so this wouldn't really affect them.