Lower power "home server"

imagoon

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1. What YOUR PC will be used for. That means what types of tasks you'll be performing.

Sitting the basement serving files and otherwise acting as a centralized backup

2. What YOUR budget is. A price range is acceptable as long as it's not more than a 20% spread

Not interested in spending a ton so tentatively "sub $500US"

3. What country YOU will be buying YOUR parts from.

USA

4. IF YOU have a brand preference. That means, are you an Intel-Fanboy, AMD-Fanboy, ATI-Fanboy, nVidia-Fanboy, Seagate-Fanboy, WD-Fanboy, etc.

Lean towards Intel but not anti AMD.

5. If YOU intend on using any of YOUR current parts, and if so, what those parts are.

Will reuse the HDDs (3 x 1TB WD Black + some WD 80gig boot drive)
PERC 6i

6. IF YOU have searched and/or read similar threads.

I have skimmed the forums and seen more stuff geared towards HTPC.

7. IF YOU plan on overclocking or run the system at default speeds.

May underclock it.

8. What resolution YOU plan on gaming with.

Might be headless

9. WHEN do you plan to build it?

Undefined, within 2-3 months

10. Don't ask for a build configuration critique or rating if you are thin skinned.

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I am looking to replace my power sucking Dell P690 with an older Dempsey Xeon 3.2ghz with something much lower power. I already removed the second processor and 4 of the DIMMs to reduce it almost 200watts (!). It seems that the BIOS won't turn on speed step so the procs stay running 100% of the time.

I am interested in:

Lowering the power usage but not to the point where I am worried about getting to "20 watts" or anything.

I was thinking about a smaller ITX board mounted in a midsized ATX case with room for the disk drives. A side thought is having on board video that I would patch up to the TV upstairs via a Video extender / USB extender. (Basically it might be used for HTPC but it would be in the basement below the HT.)

I was looking at a cheap Antec "100 with window" case. An ITX board with enough onboard video to play 1080i (undefined) and maybe an i3 / i5 proc. At least 1 16x PCIE slot is required to mount the PERC6i. The machine runs Windows 2008R2 server now for no reason other than I have a technet license for it but if I went the media center route it might end up Windows 7.

It looks like this Gigabyte board meets all this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128526

What is your opinion on the board / proc? Is there a smaller board that would work as well (IE say Atom vs I3 in a perf / cost?) Any extra thoughts?

I know this is vague, I am still in the planning stages. I figure dropping from 130tdp proc running full tilt to a speedstepped proc in the 45-65tdp range and removing the power hungry FB-DIMMs (35 watts per pair @ the wall...) will save some power and $$$, I am just not sure which approach I want to take. I am open to ideas. I have not picked a PSU out yet.
 

Spikesoldier

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Personally, I built my low power FreeNAS server around a zacate e-350 board. I went this route because it has just a little more processing power than the atom offerings, is pretty inexpensive considering what you get. I also have a HTPC built around a zacate board as well, and for the money offers great performance while sipping the power.
 

GoStumpy

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I actually have that exact motherboard in a mITX case (Lian-Li PC-Q07) paired with an Intel G530 processor. Idles ~50W.

It's a great board with good future upgrade ability, I was thinking about an E350/Atom variation, but the fact that it's locked into what it is without any upgrades swayed me to get a separate Mobo/CPU.

i3-2100 would be overkill IMHO if you're just serving files and playing video.

Pentium G630T might be a good choice:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819116401

35W TDP is pretty nice! Could be passively cooled if you're into that...
 

imagoon

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I actually have that exact motherboard in a mITX case (Lian-Li PC-Q07) paired with an Intel G530 processor. Idles ~50W.

It's a great board with good future upgrade ability, I was thinking about an E350/Atom variation, but the fact that it's locked into what it is without any upgrades swayed me to get a separate Mobo/CPU.

i3-2100 would be overkill IMHO if you're just serving files and playing video.

Pentium G630T might be a good choice:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819116401

35W TDP is pretty nice! Could be passively cooled if you're into that...

Have you looked at the LIAN LI PC-Q08B at all? I like the "6 3.5 bays" option. Otherwise it looks pretty decent. 50watts would make me move the machine upstairs to the office. The current one was downstairs due to its furnace / wind tunnel issues.

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I was mostly considering i3 so I could periodically host a VPC in there for some testing I do every so often. I could likely retire (or at least make into a gaming rig that is asleep unless I am gaming at it rather than running all the time) my E6600 if I did that. Again that is secondary. I was just looking at my $160 electric bill and was thinking "hmmm, if I did 2 > 1 computer...."
 
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GoStumpy

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G530 cannot play BF3, it's the only game I play so really I don't have a reference point to whether or not the G530 can play other games... May try BFBC2 on it sometime soon, but that's about it...

If you want to game on it, however, you'll need a motherboard with two full-size PCI-E slots, to fit a discrete graphics card alongside that raid card you mentioned.

Therefore you'll probably need a larger case...
 

imagoon

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G530 cannot play BF3, it's the only game I play so really I don't have a reference point to whether or not the G530 can play other games... May try BFBC2 on it sometime soon, but that's about it...

If you want to game on it, however, you'll need a motherboard with two full-size PCI-E slots, to fit a discrete graphics card alongside that raid card you mentioned.

Therefore you'll probably need a larger case...

No gaming on this one. The E6600 rig would be "converted" for that (It has an ATI 5770, OC 3.0ghz E6600 etc, I just needed it for something else for the time being). I have some training and simulation VMs I run and I turned off sleep mode because it liked to go to sleep even when the VM's are running full tilt. Things like making Exchange do various scenarios etc. If I could move those over to this mini server that would be on all the time anyway, it allows me to turn off the E6600 when I am not using it. This machine would likely become a Ivy Bridge machine in the short future.

@Blinky

I am likely not looking at Windows Home Server because they took out the coolest part of it so I just run my copy of 2k8r2. I did however look at those and purely as a file server yes that is perfect and I may go with something like that. If I add on the VM requirements I am not sure the CPU will handle it.

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I am wondering if that board with a 2500T (i5 quad 45watts) with 8gig actually might work best for me. I think that would give me a low enough TDP to leave it on all the time, but enough umpf on demand to run the periodic hyperV machine. Thoughts?
 
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imagoon

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i sincerely doubt a G530 that's been undervolted sucks down more than a couple watts more power at load, and 0 more at idle (all sandys idle basically the same). certainly not enough difference for a T model to pay for itself.

good article on this:
http://www.silentpcreview.com/intel-2100t-2400s

Awesome thanks. Yeah I won't waste cash on the low power one then. Might as well get an i5 that is "normal" and use the cpu power as needed since the idles are so close that it could be device calibration error...
 

VirtualLarry

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I was just looking at my $160 electric bill and was thinking "hmmm, if I did 2 > 1 computer...."

You must have a lot more draining your electric bill than just computers then.

I have a quad-GPU crunching rig, two quad-core Q9300 desktops (running DC), a laptop (running DC), and a HTPC. My electric bill was only $100 last month (after heating my apt with my computers).
 

paperwastage

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You must have a lot more draining your electric bill than just computers then.

I have a quad-GPU crunching rig, two quad-core Q9300 desktops (running DC), a laptop (running DC), and a HTPC. My electric bill was only $100 last month (after heating my apt with my computers).
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inefficient PSU, vs inefficient usage of lights + washer/dryers... or use incandescent light bulbs (100W) instead of CFLs (20W)

or he's paying $0.30/kWh
 

imagoon

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You must have a lot more draining your electric bill than just computers then.

I have a quad-GPU crunching rig, two quad-core Q9300 desktops (running DC), a laptop (running DC), and a HTPC. My electric bill was only $100 last month (after heating my apt with my computers).

I don't doubt you. I am just working on reducing. This year I am at about 1,000ish kwh / month, last year same time I was at 1500kwh.

I did a lot of the CFLs etc. Just working on doing more. 1275sqft house for ref.
 

Zap

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Case
Lian Li PC-Q08 with some efficient 300W PSU
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Fractal Design Array R6 (comes with PSU)
The Lian Li holds an optical drive as well, plus can take normal ATX PSUs. The Fractal Design ends up being smaller.

Cheap socket 1155 motherboard + cheap socket 1155 dual core CPU (probably even Celeron faster than your old Xeon) + cheap $20 dual channel 4GB DDR3 kit.

Something like this little guy with WHS on it:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16859107052

There was a recent (expired) deal on it including WHS for $250.

Actually the deal was for this unit at $225 after rebate. I was considering buying one, but didn't right away and it sold out. I'm now kicking myself.
 

mfenn

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+1 on the Fractal Array, it's pretty much designed for exactly what you want to do. Looking at the pictures, I don't think that you would have any clearance issues with the PERC. It'll come out maybe $20 more than the Q08 once you take the PSU cost into account.

As for the virtualization question, I would say to stick with the i3 unless you will be really loading things down with a ton of VMs.
 

imagoon

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Man you could have had a dell. Build yourself a new computer and use the old one as a server. Dell standard PC. No video card. Buy used PC off of eBay or from a Yard Sale.

Dell i5 Only comes standard with a 500 Gig Hard Drive. It is the large hard drives that will drive up the price.
$499.00
http://configure.us.dell.com/dellsto...d=inspiron-620

Very true except the only cases that hold a decent # of drives are the Poweredge and the Precision lines... that jacks up the price quick.
 

mfenn

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Yeah, as long as you're OK with it being bigger, MicroATX can save you a decent chunk of change. The Intel board that you linked is fine.