Low fps in vista

Eddie313

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I was running windows xp pro X64 and just moved over to vista x86 .
Now when i was running around 160fps maxed out playing call of duty 4 on xp
And when i loaded vista i'm around 70 to 85 fps.

All my drivers are updated and running vista cert hardware.

And running SP1

I have Sli i just ran one card and my fps drop alot more so it seems that sli is working.


The system spec's are in My Sig
 

Mem

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Originally posted by: Eddie313
I was running windows xp pro X64 and just moved over to vista x86 .
Now when i was running around 160fps maxed out playing call of duty 4 on xp
And when i loaded vista i'm around 70 to 85 fps.

All my drivers are updated and running vista cert hardware.

And running SP1

I have Sli i just ran one card and my fps drop alot more so it seems that sli is working.


The system spec's are in My Sig

Disable Defender real time scan(I set mine to scan once a week) ,did you install latest August 2008 DX9.0c version from link its for Vista too.

 

Jschmuck2

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Wow, you can see that many frames per second huh? I'm sure science will be very interested in cutting apart your eyeballs.
 

Eddie313

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I disabled UAC but ill check to see what else i can do.

As for the frame rates yeah i know but really when i played today i can't get anything over 65fps now.
I mean thats a huge drop in fps now when a new game comes out what i can't play it?

Thanks
I'm doing all updates right now but don't seem to be working much.

 

Flammable

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Originally posted by: Jschmuck2
Wow, you can see that many frames per second huh? I'm sure science will be very interested in cutting apart your eyeballs.

I can tell a difference between 40 fps and 99fps.... counter-strike isnt as smooth and you notice it.
 

Eddie313

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Kill the thread i did not want a bunch of people posting about what the eye can and con not see.
All i was asking is a little help with understanding the problem......
 

KeypoX

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Originally posted by: Eddie313
Kill the thread i did not want a bunch of people posting about what the eye can and con not see.
All i was asking is a little help with understanding the problem......

dude dunno your problem but cod is in the 100's for me with 8800gt ...in vista

try to get all the updates for vista i guess, a fresh install of vista shouldnt cause problems and you dont need to disable anything. Maybe you have virus, running something in background i dunno something is wrong on your end.
 

Eddie313

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Yeah i'm not sure either, dont have a virus did all the updates and still nothing.
I got higher fps befor i installed sp1.
So i'm just thinking its something with vista and my hardware.
If i boot in xp she runs like a champ around 150fps thats on a 22" and everything maxed out.
So ill probably just stay with xp and drop vista.

 

Zenoth

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The principle here isn't to know what the human eyes can notice or not, it's that Vista is inherently slower than XP for gaming, it's very simple to understand, eagle eyes or not.
 

Nebor

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Originally posted by: Zenoth
The principle here isn't to know what the human eyes can notice or not, it's that Vista is inherently slower than XP for gaming, it's very simple to understand, eagle eyes or not.

Yup. That's why I went with Vista personally, Xp was running games too fast with today's hardware.
 

error8

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Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: Zenoth
The principle here isn't to know what the human eyes can notice or not, it's that Vista is inherently slower than XP for gaming, it's very simple to understand, eagle eyes or not.

Yup. That's why I went with Vista personally, Xp was running games too fast with today's hardware.

:laugh:
 

Zenoth

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Originally posted by: error8
Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: Zenoth
The principle here isn't to know what the human eyes can notice or not, it's that Vista is inherently slower than XP for gaming, it's very simple to understand, eagle eyes or not.

Yup. That's why I went with Vista personally, Xp was running games too fast with today's hardware.

:laugh:

Yeah I'm laughing as well, because he probably still don't understand the point. The point being whether or not it makes a noticeable difference to the human eye gaming performance in Windows Vista is almost always slower when compared to XP. Is it noticeable? Probably not, but that doesn't change the fact that technically speaking it's still slower. I'm not even saying that it does make a difference, his sarcastic reply is just out of place in my book, he probably misunderstood what I was trying to point at. We don't care if it's not noticeable, but our indifference doesn't make Vista as good as XP, that's it.
 

Mem

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Originally posted by: Zenoth
The principle here isn't to know what the human eyes can notice or not, it's that Vista is inherently slower than XP for gaming, it's very simple to understand, eagle eyes or not.

Not quite true,link..

Game Results
It's clear that driver issues in Windows Vista have been largely ironed out, as the five to 10 percent performance drop compared to Windows XP is virtually gone. In fact, the only test out of these three in which Vista didn't match its predecessor was in the pre-SP1 World in Conflict result.
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Zenoth

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Originally posted by: Mem
Originally posted by: Zenoth
The principle here isn't to know what the human eyes can notice or not, it's that Vista is inherently slower than XP for gaming, it's very simple to understand, eagle eyes or not.

Not quite true,link..

Game Results
It's clear that driver issues in Windows Vista have been largely ironed out, as the five to 10 percent performance drop compared to Windows XP is virtually gone. In fact, the only test out of these three in which Vista didn't match its predecessor was in the pre-SP1 World in Conflict result.
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Ok, that one single system represents everyone's case and therefore I am included and I was wrong. There are cases where the performance difference is barely noticeable or just non-existent, yes, indeed, that's why I said "almost always". I based my conclusion not on a single review but on many threads I keep reading about in many discussion forums including here. In my case, although I'm using Vista for the sake of following today's technologies (I know I don't need to, I'm just choosing to) I did see quite noticeable performance drops even after stopping enough services to go as low as 26 processes after a start up, with SP1 and the Performance & Reliability updates.

In most games the difference is not noticeable, but it's technically there. The one game in which I noticed a definitive difference was in Team Fortress 2, where I lost at least up to 15FPS which in certain circumstances (24 or 32 players maps, filled up and lots of action) then that means that I go from my usual 40FPS or so in XP to a noticeably slower 25 to 30FPS. That is at 1280x1024, 16xAF and 4xMSAA with everything set to maximum settings. Those settings were set when I ran in XP and I was used to them, now that I am on Vista I have to decrease the resolution to 1280x960 and remove the AA entirely to come back to my 45+FPS.

That is not the case for all of my games I repeat, it's limited to TF2. But technically speaking there is not one single games in my installed ones right now in which the performance has been "the same" or better than with XP. So good for those around with the same or better performance, I do honestly mean it, good for them. But it isn't the case with me. The thing is I have 4GB of RAM, I paid for it and I want it to be used when it can in games and/or other programs I use like Photoshop for instance amongst others, for that I needed a 64-Bit OS, and I chose to go with Vista x64 instead of XP x64 simply because the support for Vista is certainly better.

All of this is meant to point at the certain possibility that the thread creator does absolutely nothing wrong with his system and that nothing is wrong about the updates and the drivers he installed, what he's experiencing is the same thing that I am, which is to play games on an operating system that despite its advanced technologies is simply not as good as the previous version for the sole purpose of gaming. There's absolutely nothing else to all of this and this simple principle. It doesn't apply to 100% of us, that's good, it helps sarcasm around for some people.
 

Mem

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Originally posted by: Zenoth
Originally posted by: Mem
Originally posted by: Zenoth
The principle here isn't to know what the human eyes can notice or not, it's that Vista is inherently slower than XP for gaming, it's very simple to understand, eagle eyes or not.

Not quite true,link..

Game Results
It's clear that driver issues in Windows Vista have been largely ironed out, as the five to 10 percent performance drop compared to Windows XP is virtually gone. In fact, the only test out of these three in which Vista didn't match its predecessor was in the pre-SP1 World in Conflict result.
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Ok, that one single system represents everyone's case and therefore I am included and I was wrong. There are cases where the performance difference is barely noticeable or just non-existent, yes, indeed, that's why I said "almost always". I based my conclusion not on a single review but on many threads I keep reading about in many discussion forums including here. In my case, although I'm using Vista for the sake of following today's technologies (I know I don't need to, I'm just choosing to) I did see quite noticeable performance drops even after stopping enough services to go as low as 26 processes after a start up, with SP1 and the Performance & Reliability updates.

In most games the difference is not noticeable, but it's technically there. The one game in which I noticed a definitive difference was in Team Fortress 2, where I lost at least up to 15FPS which in certain circumstances (24 or 32 players maps, filled up and lots of action) then that means that I go from my usual 40FPS or so in XP to a noticeably slower 25 to 30FPS. That is at 1280x1024, 16xAF and 4xMSAA with everything set to maximum settings. Those settings were set when I ran in XP and I was used to them, now that I am on Vista I have to decrease the resolution to 1280x960 and remove the AA entirely to come back to my 45+FPS.

That is not the case for all of my games I repeat, it's limited to TF2. But technically speaking there is not one single games in my installed ones right now in which the performance has been "the same" or better than with XP. So good for those around with the same or better performance, I do honestly mean it, good for them. But it isn't the case with me. The thing is I have 4GB of RAM, I paid for it and I want it to be used when it can in games and/or other programs I use like Photoshop for instance amongst others, for that I needed a 64-Bit OS, and I chose to go with Vista x64 instead of XP x64 simply because the support for Vista is certainly better.

All of this is meant to point at the certain possibility that the thread creator does absolutely nothing wrong with his system and that nothing is wrong about the updates and the drivers he installed, what he's experiencing is the same thing that I am, which is to play games on an operating system that despite its advanced technologies is simply not as good as the previous version for the sole purpose of gaming. There's absolutely nothing else to all of this and this simple principle. It doesn't apply to 100% of us, that's good, it helps sarcasm around for some people.



Obviously not all games are equal on every OS(a lot of variables like drivers,what OS the game was designed for etc and even user error/system to a point) ,point I'm making is in general the gap is very small eitherway in most cases,another old benchmarking review ,I have XP,XP x64 ,Vista x86 and Vista x64( which is my favourite of the 4).

Your statement was
it's that Vista is inherently slower than XP for gaming, it's very simple to understand, eagle eyes or not.

I was just correcting the statement above ,even you agree its not entirely true ;),personally I have not had to lower any of my 90+ games resolutions/details in Vista x64 compared to XP.





 

Jschmuck2

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Look, it should be obvious to all of you nerds that PEBKAC is the issue here. There is NOTHING that will cause that much frame drop from simply switching to Vista from XP - it's fucking ridiculous.
 

nerp

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Is vsynch forced on in the drivers or something? heh. Could be the case.
 

mb

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Originally posted by: Jschmuck2
Look, it should be obvious to all of you nerds that PEBKAC is the issue here. There is NOTHING that will cause that much frame drop from simply switching to Vista from XP - it's fucking ridiculous.

This.

OP, you probably f'd something up along the way. First mistake was disabling UAC.
Second, did you install all the latest drivers for everything? Do you even know how to get the latest drivers, or are you just using what came on the CD with your products?
And you don't even sound like you're sure you have SLI enabled. Make sure it is, and not just by removing one and seeing lower performance.

Also, why not use Vista 64?
 

Zenoth

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Originally posted by: Jschmuck2
Look, it should be obvious to all of you nerds that PEBKAC is the issue here. There is NOTHING that will cause that much frame drop from simply switching to Vista from XP - it's fucking ridiculous.

How can it be ridiculous? Why can't just a new OS not be able to render things in game the same way like the previous one especially when the new OS is said to be entirely different and for one not based on the NT architecture. I don't understand enough about OS'es to explain with technical blabling how is that possible, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to launch a game, open the console, type in a command that lets you see how many frames per second you have and compare those results with the ones you had on the previous OS.

I and you as well just need to realize (well you need to, because I did already) that for a number of people out there the problem isn't "Between the Keyboard and the Chair" but simply that the new OS in question don't do things the same way as to make things sometimes slower (very often in my case, for gaming that is) and just not "as fast as" nor "faster" then the previous so called "dated" OS. What is so ridiculous in such a simple thing. It may not apply to many of you and it does apply to me, and since it applies to me I won't just ignore the numbers of my test results because "PEBKAC" has to be the universal cause of everything.
 

Jschmuck2

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Of course it's not the solution to everything. But to say that a 50% drop in framerate, which is what we have here, is simply due to Windows Vista and nothing else, is not only fucking ridiculous, but ass-scrapingly stupid.

The OP's grammar makes me question his problem enough as is.
 

PepperBreath

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Originally posted by: Jschmuck2
Of course it's not the solution to everything. But to say that a 50% drop in framerate, which is what we have here, is simply due to Windows Vista and nothing else, is not only fucking ridiculous, but ass-scrapingly stupid.

Yeah. There *may* be a problem with the Vista install but I doubt it's the OS itself. Game performance across many benchmarks show that now that drivers are actually someone decent, performance in games is very nearly 1:1 with few exceptions. Heck, even MaximumPC, the most anti-Vista rag I've seen even admits this.

There's something else going on here. The problem is that the OP immediately blames the OS without further investigation. That's a huge drop if not an exaggeration.
 

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Originally posted by: mb
Originally posted by: Jschmuck2
Look, it should be obvious to all of you nerds that PEBKAC is the issue here. There is NOTHING that will cause that much frame drop from simply switching to Vista from XP - it's fucking ridiculous.

This.

OP, you probably f'd something up along the way. First mistake was disabling UAC.
Second, did you install all the latest drivers for everything? Do you even know how to get the latest drivers, or are you just using what came on the CD with your products?
And you don't even sound like you're sure you have SLI enabled. Make sure it is, and not just by removing one and seeing lower performance.

Also, why not use Vista 64?

What you mean by trully have the SLI enable not just remove one and seeing lower performance????