Loved Oblivion, haven't played Morrowind

[Cabages]

Loved Morrowind, and IMO was a better first play through than Oblivion. Great game, definitely in my top three.

 

[ZeGermans]

Originally posted by: PingSpike
Enchantments blow. Prepare to have piles of enchanted pants that do 2 fire damage when used. Good enchantments cost roughly all the gold in the universe to make. Constant effect enchantments cost all the gold in the universe times 2 and an expedition to capture a soul of one of a couple of specific and fairly rare creatures. The only enchantments that are really useful are constant effect. Self made enchantments gain no value whatsoever from the process, therefore you can't even make money enchanting a pair of trousers with a crappy spell and selling it. The enchanting skill is therefore in the catagory of 'useless' along with several others like unarmored.

While I agree the skill itself is uselss, I think the concept itself is usefull. I used the included map with the game to find daedric ruins, and with the star of azura, I captured golden... watchamajigs like candy. Combine that with daedric armor, and you've got some pretty good enchantments. I put jump boost enchantments on almost everything, and I was able to jump over just about anything.

 

[Sureshot324]

Morrowind had some pretty serious gameplay imbalances. Since the creatures don't level up with you like oblivion, the game gets easier the more you play. Once you're around level 15 or so you can effortlessly kill any enemy in the game. You can crank up the difficulty slider, but this kills the satisfaction of making you're character more powerful by leveling up, even much more so than Oblivion's auto leveling enemies.

There are also many exploits (and even some legit ways) that let you make an @ssload of gold. Since you can instantly train any skill by just paying a trainer, once you start making lots of cash you can easily make your character uber powerful. I enjoyed Morrowind, but I don't think I could go back to playing it after playing Oblivion. That's kind of like playing a heavily patched game where they've fixed all the bugs and gameplay imbalances, and then going back to the original unpatched games. The flaws are going to be that much more annoying after playing a game in which they've been fixed.

 

[Mem]

Morrowind had some pretty serious gameplay imbalances. Since the creatures don't level up with you like oblivion, the game gets easier the more you play. Once you're around level 15 or so you can effortlessly kill any enemy in the game. You can crank up the difficulty slider, but this kills the satisfaction of making you're character more powerful by leveling up, even much more so than Oblivion's auto leveling enemies.

There are also many exploits (and even some legit ways) that let you make an @ssload of gold. Since you can instantly train any skill by just paying a trainer, once you start making lots of cash you can easily make your character uber powerful

How is Oblivion different?..I finished Oblivion a lot quicker then I ever did with Morrowind,as to making money ,well I made money fast in Oblivion and the NPCs were not hard to fight at all,end of the day you can only increase the difficulty bar in both games.

Very good armour is a lot harder to find in Morrowind ,like I have already stated,Daedric armour in Oblivion was virtually everywhere not the case in Morrowind,have to use your brain to find it,so takes time and effort.

FYI the mobs in the Morrowind expansion pack were harder.Oblivion is flawed in so many ways that people just looked at the graphics and think wow great game,sorry guys its not,at least with Morrowind you get a long good storyline,time and effort it takes to find things and two very good expansion packs,great Morrowind mods,loads of quests and world seemed bigger to me then Oblivion and bargain price to boot.

 

[apoppin]

i guess i will have to try it

i really liked Oblivion - forget the awesome gfx - despite it's perceived faults ... you certainly can't say the mechanics of ANY other similar-type "RPG" is *better* [Gothic 3 *cough*]

nor is Oblivion's story *worse* than NWN2
*cough cough*

--just DIFFERENT

 

[Mem]

Originally posted by: apoppin
i guess i will have to try it

i really liked Oblivion - forget the awesome gfx - despite it's perceived faults ... you certainly can't say the mechanics of ANY other similar-type "RPG" is *better* [Gothic 3 *cough*]

nor is Oblivion's story *worse* than NWN2
*cough cough*

--just DIFFERENT

No RPG game is perfect,you will always find people that love or hate the game in question,however story wise Morrowind had a lot of depth compared to Oblivion,actually can you class Oblivion's story a story or a just a chapter .

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Mem

Originally posted by: apoppin
i guess i will have to try it

i really liked Oblivion - forget the awesome gfx - despite it's perceived faults ... you certainly can't say the mechanics of ANY other similar-type "RPG" is *better* [Gothic 3 *cough*]

nor is Oblivion's story *worse* than NWN2
*cough cough*

--just DIFFERENT

No RPG game is perfect,you will always find people that love or hate the game in question,however story wise Morrowind had a lot of depth compared to Oblivion,actually can you class Oblivion's story a story or a just a chapter .

you didn't spend a lot of time with Oblivion, did you?

as someone who spent over 1,000 hours in Oblivion, i can tell you that you missed some real *depth*

did you even bother to read the 5-volume "The Real Berezeniah" ?
--which is a great work of fiction in it own right ... along with dozens of other "books"

i think you breezed right thru it and missed *a lot*
-my opinion, of course

you don't need to *look* at the compass nor Fast Travel ... so the biggest part of your "complaint' is easily addressed

as to it's consolish GUI, just mod it

finally, i think the *best RPG* ... most 'well-balanced' of all the recent ones i played is Fable, LC
:Q

really

finally ...

really finally ... i *will* play MW ... you got me intrigued ... since you love it i will probably hate it ... i'm warning you in advance.
:shocked:

:laugh:

BTW, VtMB - Vampire Bloodlines - we AGREE on ...

it IS *awesome* ... great gfx for old Source [no sstutter and 4xAA/16AF it is "mood & atmosphere" indeed}

it reminds me of a "Vampire Deus Ex"
:thumbsup:

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: Mem

Morrowind had some pretty serious gameplay imbalances. Since the creatures don't level up with you like oblivion, the game gets easier the more you play. Once you're around level 15 or so you can effortlessly kill any enemy in the game. You can crank up the difficulty slider, but this kills the satisfaction of making you're character more powerful by leveling up, even much more so than Oblivion's auto leveling enemies.

There are also many exploits (and even some legit ways) that let you make an @ssload of gold. Since you can instantly train any skill by just paying a trainer, once you start making lots of cash you can easily make your character uber powerful

How is Oblivion different?..I finished Oblivion a lot quicker then I ever did with Morrowind,as to making money ,well I made money fast in Oblivion and the NPCs were not hard to fight at all,end of the day you can only increase the difficulty bar in both games.

Very good armour is a lot harder to find in Morrowind ,like I have already stated,Daedric armour in Oblivion was virtually everywhere not the case in Morrowind,have to use your brain to find it,so takes time and effort.

FYI the mobs in the Morrowind expansion pack were harder.Oblivion is flawed in so many ways that people just looked at the graphics and think wow great game,sorry guys its not,at least with Morrowind you get a long good storyline,time and effort it takes to find things and two very good expansion packs,great Morrowind mods,loads of quests and world seemed bigger to me then Oblivion and bargain price to boot.

Everyone brings up Morrowind mods as an advantage, and then bashes oblivion for its loot distribution and level progression. Those points are totally valid against Oblivion, but there are also tons of Oblivion mods...many released within a month of the game, that fix those problems. That may not be the ideal way to solve those issues, with a user made mod I mean, but at least they are solved.

I can't say the same about most of morrowinds problems. The crappy loading between cells isn't going away. The inability for NPCs to leave their cells. No one has fixed the AI for that game in any meaningful way. Maybe there's more quests, I don't know...but can you honestly say those quests were as good as the one's in Oblivion? I thought the side quests I did were often very clever and had a bit of story to them....not a ton better, but more enjoyable. There are a couple exe hacks I believe that attempt to fix the crappy combat system, but I never tried them.

Understand I'm not saying Morrowind was an awful game. I enjoyed it and really got my money's worth. But to me, even with its problems, Oblivion is head and shoulders above it.

And thats without taking into account that Oblivion has the best graphical rendition of forests I've ever seen in a game, ever.

 

[Mem]

you didn't spend a lot of time with Oblivion, did you?

apoppin:Actually I did,I even installed my saved game files to Vista x64,I try to find new caves etc... but so far think I have been everywhere.You tried the oblivion house mods?..a lot better then ones you buy in the game.

really finally ... i *will* play MW ... you got me intrigued ... since you love it i will probably hate it ... i'm warning you in advance.

I purchased the game twice,first Morrowind when it was released then Game of the year version since it had both expansaion packs and was a lot cheaper then buying the packs on there own.

 

[Mem]

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: Mem

Morrowind had some pretty serious gameplay imbalances. Since the creatures don't level up with you like oblivion, the game gets easier the more you play. Once you're around level 15 or so you can effortlessly kill any enemy in the game. You can crank up the difficulty slider, but this kills the satisfaction of making you're character more powerful by leveling up, even much more so than Oblivion's auto leveling enemies.

There are also many exploits (and even some legit ways) that let you make an @ssload of gold. Since you can instantly train any skill by just paying a trainer, once you start making lots of cash you can easily make your character uber powerful

How is Oblivion different?..I finished Oblivion a lot quicker then I ever did with Morrowind,as to making money ,well I made money fast in Oblivion and the NPCs were not hard to fight at all,end of the day you can only increase the difficulty bar in both games.

Very good armour is a lot harder to find in Morrowind ,like I have already stated,Daedric armour in Oblivion was virtually everywhere not the case in Morrowind,have to use your brain to find it,so takes time and effort.

FYI the mobs in the Morrowind expansion pack were harder.Oblivion is flawed in so many ways that people just looked at the graphics and think wow great game,sorry guys its not,at least with Morrowind you get a long good storyline,time and effort it takes to find things and two very good expansion packs,great Morrowind mods,loads of quests and world seemed bigger to me then Oblivion and bargain price to boot.

Everyone brings up Morrowind mods as an advantage, and then bashes oblivion for its loot distribution and level progression. Those points are totally valid against Oblivion, but there are also tons of Oblivion mods...many released within a month of the game, that fix those problems. That may not be the ideal way to solve those issues, with a user made mod I mean, but at least they are solved.

I can't say the same about most of morrowinds problems. The crappy loading between cells isn't going away. The inability for NPCs to leave their cells. No one has fixed the AI for that game in any meaningful way. Maybe there's more quests, I don't know...but can you honestly say those quests were as good as the one's in Oblivion? I thought the side quests I did were often very clever and had a bit of story to them....not a ton better, but more enjoyable. There are a couple exe hacks I believe that attempt to fix the crappy combat system, but I never tried them.

Understand I'm not saying Morrowind was an awful game. I enjoyed it and really got my money's worth. But to me, even with its problems, Oblivion is head and shoulders above it.

And thats without taking into account that Oblivion has the best graphical rendition of forests I've ever seen in a game, ever.

I did meantion other aspects I hated about Oblivion,come on the story is so short and crap,a 6 year old could write a better and longer storyline,I did a lot of quests in Oblivion was master of virtually all guilds and even became a vampire and did the cure without cheating etc...I like the assasin guild quests ,they were fun.

AI is slightly better but still easy in a fight,you like the auto travel /marker that takes away the exploring fun of a quest?Loading time was ok for me maybe because I have 4GB of ram.Right now Morrowind game of year edition is way better value for money then Oblivion ,however which way you look at it,for price,for size,for quests,for storyline etc... think it says it all,I won't meantion mods .

 

[PingSpike]

I guess we just have different tastes. I never even cared about the main quest is either game, I just wanted to do stuff.

And while I'll do a fair amount of exploring in Oblivion, I actually like the marker system. When I just want to complete a couple of quests in an hour block of time I have...I like not having to search for a specific house. I like being able to fast travel to the city I want to go too. I don't like spending 3 hours playing a game and spending 90% of that time walking to the nearest silt strider, then walking into the woods looking for a hut.

I'll go off and explore with no markers sometimes, just looking for loot or undiscovered country...but one of the things that frustrated me the most about morrowind was how I would play for such a long time and not accomplish anything. I couldn't do less then a 3 hour play session in that game most of the time. Unfortunately, I just don't have that kind of free time any more.

And you know...there are mods to turn those markers off if you don't want them.

 

[Mem]

Originally posted by: PingSpike
I guess we just have different tastes. I never even cared about the main quest is either game, I just wanted to do stuff.

And while I'll do a fair amount of exploring in Oblivion, I actually like the marker system. When I just want to complete a couple of quests in an hour block of time I have...I like not having to search for a specific house. I like being able to fast travel to the city I want to go too. I don't like spending 3 hours playing a game and spending 90% of that time walking to the nearest silt strider, then walking into the woods looking for a hut.

I'll go off and explore with no markers sometimes, just looking for loot or undiscovered country...but one of the things that frustrated me the most about morrowind was how I would play for such a long time and not accomplish anything. I couldn't do less then a 3 hour play session in that game most of the time. Unfortunately, I just don't have that kind of free time any more.

And you know...there are mods to turn those markers off if you don't want them.

Kind of pointless now for me since I have finished the main story and done virtually everthing I could find,I might try the next exp pack,will see.


One thing I liked about Morrowind was the levitation spell,damn handy that .

 

[PingSpike]

I loved levitation too...but I felt like a cheater when I used it. I used to bait a super powerful enemy into attacking me...then flew away to some ledge where they couldn't reach me. I would then pepper them with arrows while they ran around in circles below me until the fell. Ironically, this was only slightly more difficult then the "stab guards through the wall" trick I used in daggerfall. I felt even more guilty executing that one though.

I have a harder time getting away with the kind of stuff in Oblivion. The guards seem more organized in hunting me down.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Mem

you didn't spend a lot of time with Oblivion, did you?

apoppin:Actually I did,I even installed my saved game files to Vista x64,I try to find new caves etc... but so far think I have been everywhere.You tried the oblivion house mods?..a lot better then ones you buy in the game.

really finally ... i *will* play MW ... you got me intrigued ... since you love it i will probably hate it ... i'm warning you in advance.

I purchased the game twice,first Morrowind when it was released then Game of the year version since it had both expansaion packs and was a lot cheaper then buying the packs on there own.

dude .. i did *everything* Oblivion [except RP it in my life]

ALL the SQs ... discovered *everything* ... every place ... every house ... every skill every trainer... Level 92 without cheats or the console ... read every in-game book talked to every NPC ... up till i put it away 6 months ago

1,250 hours
:Q

i also was 'first' to hit 1,000 hours and found and reported unique new findings to the TESblivion Forum ... including Quake Ruin and how to "cheat" first with Chameleon and then using Wabbajack [for PC] as the *most powerful* weapon .. and the first to amass 8 million in gold

you think i am *irritating* here? ...

the 'Oblivion guys' knew apoppin ... we even argued the smalest *details*how high the tallest point was and measured the length and width of the "world" to a few centimeters and how to get the "companions" to really function well.
:roll:

. .. and they even made threads about apoppin's Oblivion geekyness [search for my user name there if you have any doubts]


you really think i am gonna like MW?

 

[Mem]

you really think i am gonna like MW?

Hmm lets see,you did not like G3 or NWN2 so who knows,all I can see is I did .

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Mem

you really think i am gonna like MW?

Hmm lets see,you did not like G3 or NWN2 so who knows,all I can see is I did .

i *loved* G3 ...
i was just damn disappointed with it's bugs, engine inefficiency, broken quests and disappointing ending

NWN2 is just an abortion as released


we *agreed* on VtMB ... and i guess you like Fable

One thing ... for *sure* ... you will hear my opinion on MW ... eventually
[unless you refuse to look]

i just won't back down on Oblivion as one of the greatest fantasy Action-Adventure RPGs of all time
:Q

did you read The Real Berezeniah ingame?

 

[Mem]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Mem

you really think i am gonna like MW?

Hmm lets see,you did not like G3 or NWN2 so who knows,all I can see is I did .

i *loved* G3 ...
i was just damn disappointed with it's bugs, engine inefficiency, broken quests and disappointing ending

NWN2 is just an abortion as released


we *agreed* on VtMB ... and i guess you like Fable

One thing ... for *sure* ... you will hear my opinion on MW ... eventually
[unless you refuse to look]

i just won't back down on Oblivion as one of the greatest fantasy Action-Adventure RPGs of all time
:Q

did you read The Real Berezeniah ingame?

We agreed on KOTOR too ,not played fable yet,I read a lot of books in Oblvion so think I did ,I also got 6 houses full of books ,sorry make that 8 houses.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Mem

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Mem

you really think i am gonna like MW?

Hmm lets see,you did not like G3 or NWN2 so who knows,all I can see is I did .

i *loved* G3 ...
i was just damn disappointed with it's bugs, engine inefficiency, broken quests and disappointing ending

NWN2 is just an abortion as released


we *agreed* on VtMB ... and i guess you like Fable

One thing ... for *sure* ... you will hear my opinion on MW ... eventually
[unless you refuse to look]

i just won't back down on Oblivion as one of the greatest fantasy Action-Adventure RPGs of all time
:Q

did you read The Real Berezeniah ingame?

We agreed on KOTOR too ,not played fable yet,I read a lot of books in Oblvion so think I did ,I also got 6 houses full of books ,sorry make that 8 houses.

the real berezeniah is like 200 pages and much harder to find than the regular version ... in game ....

it gives the *complete background* for the Oblivion Story ... the Story of *you* the Hero of Cyrodiil and is *awesome* literature in its own right ... well worth a read!

and yes, we agreed on KoTOR also

TRY Fable
:heart:

better 'n G3
:Q

at least the story is excellent ... and it is almost completely Bug-Free .... unbelievable for a still unpatched game

 

[Reckoner]

Well, I've played for a few hours now, and I must say that I enjoy Oblivion better. As mentioned in the thread, I miss fast porting to Towns and the markers for quests. The graphics are fine with the Better Bodies mod, and the Unofficial Morrowind Patch. I had to run the exe stabilizer to have Morrowind remain stable in Vista.

That said, this is still a good game. The price I got the GotY edition for on Amazon was a bargain, so I can't complain. I'm still going to play it until the "end"

 

[Mem]

I had to run the exe stabilizer to have Morrowind remain stable in Vista.

Runs fine on my Vista x64,try WinXP sp2 compatibiity mode.

 

[Zenoth]

Morrowind was awesome, I really liked it, and I bought both expansions and loved them both equally. But I just prefer Oblivion. However it has to be a modified Oblivion. Personally I think that vanilla Morrowind is better than vanilla Oblivion. But a modified Oblivion can simply blow Morrowind into pulp.