Louisiana passes first antievolution "academic freedom" law

[wart thumbed]

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: wart thumbed
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Way to be a total sucker and post a baseless front about something you probably know NOTHING about.

Next time if you want to discuss something, take in both sides and see the pros and cons instead of projecting a completely insolent remark.

At some point, when the arguments have been regurgitated enough, one just dismisses the ever-false static.

wart thumbed: where did this name come from? For lack of a better description, it seems icky. Were you looking for that effect?

Fair enough, its not in my place to be the Anandtech Forum police anyway.

My handle came to me randomly a few years back and it just stuck and no my thumb is free of warts. 😛

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: wart thumbed

Originally posted by: sandorski

What's there to know? That it's just debunked Creationism repackaged as something else?

Don't twist my words please. Last time I heard when people discuss things they also add in some reasons to their statement.

Nested quotes suck

ATOT Moderator ElFenix

[Thanks Mod, send the message to the Code Monkeys too 😉)

I didn't twist anything.

 

[So]

Originally posted by: Arkitech

Originally posted by: tenshodo13

Lets go out on a limb for an example, let's say that you were god. (I'm cringing as I type this because this is surely a can of worms) And you noticed a bunch of silly people trying to prove or disprove your existence. You know that you exist, those who believe in you know that you exist, why alter your plans or waste time to play games with those doing the experiments. I don't know if this is how God views things or not. But I do know that even if those studies on prayers had produced some kind of result that there still would have been arguments on whether the results happened based on some supernatural occurence or some other explanation. This has all happened in the bible anyway, someone doubts that God exists, God proves his power and people still doubt that power or even came from God. So unless God physically comes down to earth with a "Hi my name is" sticker on his shirt, people won't believe if they don't want to.

However, I would think that if I was God, I would kind of be trying to stop myself from sending beings that I am supposed to love unconditionally to hell.

And to the prayer experiment, it was shown that the people that were being prayed to got worse in some cases, as the stress of wanting something good to happen to them from the prayer worsened their symptoms.

Look y'all, evolution can't possibly be right. If it were, then natural selection would've wiped out the idiots who think creationism is right.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=upyewL0oaWA

Hell is not taught in the bible, its a notion that has taken life due to misunderstanding and misapplication of certain scriptures.

Hey, Arkitech, we've gotten way off topic, so I'm gonna stop bothering you. Nevertheless, I wanted to thank you. We've had a rather long discussion on an issue we deeply disagree with and you kept it totally civil. You have my respect -- Thanks. :beer:

 

[Arkitech]

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: Arkitech

Originally posted by: tenshodo13

Lets go out on a limb for an example, let's say that you were god. (I'm cringing as I type this because this is surely a can of worms) And you noticed a bunch of silly people trying to prove or disprove your existence. You know that you exist, those who believe in you know that you exist, why alter your plans or waste time to play games with those doing the experiments. I don't know if this is how God views things or not. But I do know that even if those studies on prayers had produced some kind of result that there still would have been arguments on whether the results happened based on some supernatural occurence or some other explanation. This has all happened in the bible anyway, someone doubts that God exists, God proves his power and people still doubt that power or even came from God. So unless God physically comes down to earth with a "Hi my name is" sticker on his shirt, people won't believe if they don't want to.

However, I would think that if I was God, I would kind of be trying to stop myself from sending beings that I am supposed to love unconditionally to hell.

And to the prayer experiment, it was shown that the people that were being prayed to got worse in some cases, as the stress of wanting something good to happen to them from the prayer worsened their symptoms.

Look y'all, evolution can't possibly be right. If it were, then natural selection would've wiped out the idiots who think creationism is right.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=upyewL0oaWA

Hell is not taught in the bible, its a notion that has taken life due to misunderstanding and misapplication of certain scriptures.

Hey, Arkitech, we've gotten way off topic, so I'm gonna stop bothering you. Nevertheless, I wanted to thank you. We've had a rather long discussion on an issue we deeply disagree with and you kept it totally civil. You have my respect -- Thanks. :beer:

Same to you dude

Hopefully I did'nt come off to preachy

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: Arkitech
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Hopefully I did'nt come off to preachy

:laugh::laugh::laugh:
Are you even aware how you sound?

 

[Arkitech]

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: Arkitech
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Hopefully I did'nt come off to preachy

:laugh::laugh::laugh:
Are you even aware how you sound?

it always comes out this way in these kind of conversations, does'nt help that I'm always in the minority

it's cool though, I enjoy a good debate sometimes

 

[shocksyde]

Dammit, we've gone from heated bashing to "heal the world." Lame.

 

[Arkitech]

Originally posted by: shocksyde
Dammit, we've gone from heated bashing to "heal the world." Lame.

prove that theory!! I dare you :frown:

 

[Mardeth]

I kindly ask the mods to ban citrix because him being a human is a theory, not a fact!!

 

[So]

If only they could, but despite his recent troglodytic behavior, we are still at the hypothesis stage and AT still doesn't ban people for being really, really, REALLY wrong.

 

[xSauronx]

Originally posted by: RESmonkey
Why do people still believe in creationism? I know we shouldn't hate on people's beliefs, but some people are just stupid as fuck.

:laugh:

im not sure ill even read the rest of the thread. thanks.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: Mardeth
I kindly ask the mods to ban citrix because him being a human is a theory, not a fact!!

Wait - is there a requirement that one must be human to post on these forums? This might change everything.

 

[Iron Woode]

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Arkitech
Go away, clearly you lack the mental tools needed for a rational discussion.

I disagree, he has the perfect tool, the ability to cut the shit and get right to the truth.

<high five>

I'm Iron Woode, and I approve this message.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Originally posted by: Mardeth
I kindly ask the mods to ban citrix because him being a human is a theory, not a fact!!

I beg the mods to ignore that request. I have not have this much fun laughing at a smack down in ages.

 

[Zeeky Boogy Doog]

Originally posted by: Arkitech

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: Arkitech
...
Hopefully I did'nt come off to preachy

:laugh::laugh::laugh:
Are you even aware how you sound?

it always comes out this way in these kind of conversations, does'nt help that I'm always in the minority

it's cool though, I enjoy a good debate sometimes

Actually, I'm pretty sure your position is the majority, just so many on your side are so willfully ignorant of the debate that they simply feel that because evolution disagrees with what they learned in church that it must be wrong, leading to absolutely no debate. Those on your side that actually try to learn to hold a civil debate are very rare, I suppose you are the minority in that sense. Those who side with evolution on the other hand, more often do so because they understand the different sides of the debate, and therefore are able to do so.

I would also argue that those who disbelieve the creationist story are, on average, of a higher IQ level (as several studies have actually proved), which leads to a higher level of willingness to debate.

Hell, I went to a lecture last year at my university given by a young earth creationist, and at the end someone asked a well thought out and intelligent question regarding one of his pieces of evidence. He made the mistake of starting with the question with "It seems you've made an elementary mistake in <whatever the evidence was>, <interruption>, <whatever the rest of his question was here>" The guy giving the lecture interrupted the person asking the question and flipped out and made several sarcastic remarks along the way before allowing the guy to finish his question, which he almost completely blew off. How can I take that seriously?

As for the topic of the thread, I agree with the stance that religion and science cannot be held to the same standards simply because of what they are, but that also means that they should not be taught in the same classroom. Skewing the facts of evolution and pointing to missing links and saying that a creator must have been involved is not science, and should be treated as such.

I was going to type more, but I just realized that it's almost time to go home and I have to do a couple of things before I do so.

 

[halik]

Awesome,
ACLU will tear them a collective new asshole. Hello lawsuits!

 

[Throckmorton]

Citrix is proof that evolution isn't real, otherwise his genes would have been naturally selected away millions of years ago.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
And people on the (R) side were clamoring to have Jindal as McCain's VP nomination. Classic.

why would this change their minds? he's now a martyr for the cause!

I hope McCain stay away from this pandering prick...

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: Citrix
Evolution is a THEORY not a fact. you knuckle-dragers seem to forget that.

It's a theory and a fact, read it up on it before you start spouting ignorance...

 

[Taejin]

Originally posted by: Arkitech

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: Arkitech
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Hopefully I did'nt come off to preachy

:laugh::laugh::laugh:
Are you even aware how you sound?

it always comes out this way in these kind of conversations, does'nt help that I'm always in the minority

it's cool though, I enjoy a good debate sometimes

No, it doesn't help when you conveniently disregard science only when it makes you uncomfortable because it clashes with your little view on reality.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: Citrix
here just so that we all know what a theory is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory

the word theory is often used to signify a conjecture, an opinion, a speculation, or a hypothesis. In this usage, a theory is not necessarily based on facts; in other words, it is not required to be consistent with true descriptions of reality. This usage of theory leads to the common incorrect statements.

Hahah conveniently skipping the first paraghaph that happens to destoy your idiotic argument :

In science a theory is a testable model of the manner of interaction of a set of natural phenomena, capable of predicting future occurrences or observations of the same kind, and capable of being tested through experiment or otherwise verified through empirical observation. For the scientist, "theory" is not in any way an antonym of "fact". For example, it is a fact that an apple dropped on earth has been observed to fall towards the center of the planet, and the theories commonly used to describe and explain this behavior are Newton's theory of universal gravitation (see also gravitation), and the general theory of relativity.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: Arkitech

Originally posted by: RESmonkey
Why do people still believe in creationism? I know we shouldn't hate on people's beliefs, but some people are just stupid as fuck.

This is a major problem with the world, lack of respect for another person's opinion. If someone takes an opposite opinion of what you believe they must be stupid and un-educated.

Oh I see that you don't like Bush, you're an idiot.

What was that, you don't support abortion? You're a flaming idiot.

I can't believe you like the Lakers over the Celtics, someone get a rope and let's find a tree.


Honestly if you're so close minded where you need to insult someone over a difference of opinion maybe you're the stupid one.

If you're trying to apply logic and equality, let's play fill in the blank:

fundies don't agree with abortion; fundies kill abortion clinic emplyees.

secularists don't agree with politicians trying legislate religious opinion; secularists ______.

lol secularists don't murder? Stalin, Che, Castro, Mao, Pot, etc.

 

[Arkitech]

Originally posted by: Zeeky Boogy Doog

Originally posted by: Arkitech

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: Arkitech
...
Hopefully I did'nt come off to preachy

:laugh::laugh::laugh:
Are you even aware how you sound?

it always comes out this way in these kind of conversations, does'nt help that I'm always in the minority

it's cool though, I enjoy a good debate sometimes

Actually, I'm pretty sure your position is the majority, just so many on your side are so willfully ignorant of the debate that they simply feel that because evolution disagrees with what they learned in church that it must be wrong, leading to absolutely no debate. Those on your side that actually try to learn to hold a civil debate are very rare, I suppose you are the minority in that sense. Those who side with evolution on the other hand, more often do so because they understand the different sides of the debate, and therefore are able to do so.

I would also argue that those who disbelieve the creationist story are, on average, of a higher IQ level (as several studies have actually proved), which leads to a higher level of willingness to debate.

Hell, I went to a lecture last year at my university given by a young earth creationist, and at the end someone asked a well thought out and intelligent question regarding one of his pieces of evidence. He made the mistake of starting with the question with "It seems you've made an elementary mistake in <whatever the evidence was>, <interruption>, <whatever the rest of his question was here>" The guy giving the lecture interrupted the person asking the question and flipped out and made several sarcastic remarks along the way before allowing the guy to finish his question, which he almost completely blew off. How can I take that seriously?

As for the topic of the thread, I agree with the stance that religion and science cannot be held to the same standards simply because of what they are, but that also means that they should not be taught in the same classroom. Skewing the facts of evolution and pointing to missing links and saying that a creator must have been involved is not science, and should be treated as such.

I was going to type more, but I just realized that it's almost time to go home and I have to do a couple of things before I do so.

Good observation. The problem with a lot of religion is basically what you said "ignorance". Over the years I've known of quite a few people who claimed to be "devout" or "deeply religious" but clearly did'nt know much about the bible or religion they were associated with. Then there's the problem of many churches teaching wrong or misleading information, so I guess I can't really get too upset when people blow a gasket when they hear someone debating from a religious or spiritual standpoint. Fanatical people tend not to debate intelligently, so it's hard to take them seriously. I think some people here see me in that light, but I try to keep an open mind. Hopefully that comes across in my comments.

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: Throckmorton
Citrix is proof that evolution isn't real, otherwise his genes would have been naturally selected away millions of years ago.

I already addressed that. The opposite seems more likely to be true, if you accept my assumption that intelligent, rational-thinking people have a harder time finding an acceptable mate.

 

[Arkitech]

Originally posted by: Taejin

Originally posted by: Arkitech

Originally posted by: seemingly random

Originally posted by: Arkitech
...
Hopefully I did'nt come off to preachy

:laugh::laugh::laugh:
Are you even aware how you sound?

it always comes out this way in these kind of conversations, does'nt help that I'm always in the minority

it's cool though, I enjoy a good debate sometimes

No, it doesn't help when you conveniently disregard science only when it makes you uncomfortable because it clashes with your little view on reality.

are you referring to me specifically or am I being lumped in with the religious masses who fight to supress scientific light?