Louisiana Legislature Floating Bill Making Obamacare Illegal in State

[Patranus]

Louisiana State Senator A.G. Crowe (R, Slidell) is introducing a bill for the 2010 legislative session in Baton Rouge that would make Obamacare illegal if it violates state laws, effectively making Obamacare null and void in the Pelican State.

http://biggovernment.com/2010/01/22...ating-bill-making-obamacare-illegal-in-state/

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Senator Crowe is part of an increasing push by state lawmakers to affirm state sovereignty and Tenth Amendment rights, laws that will likely come before the U.S. Supreme court in short order once Obamacare is passed in D.C. According to Michael Boldin’s Tenth Amendment Center some 25 states have introduced state sovereignty resolutions or bills that would nullify federal laws that the state legislature feels violates their laws and those of the U.S. Constitution.

So it is not only the 'tea baggers' who support the 10 Amendment. You look at states like Oregon which has its own version of single payer. Why should Washington DC be allowed to tell Oregon what is good for Oregon if single payer is working for them?

That is the entire point of the 10th Amendment folks. Letting the population of each state decide what is good for each state because what works in Oregon might not work in California.

These founding fathers were a lot smarter than many people think/give them credit for.

 

[ElFenix]

laboratories of social experimentation

 

[OutHouse]

WTF??? Sen. Mary Landrieu got $100 million in extra federal money for her yes vote on the health care bill, now they want to make it illegal?

 

[CrackRabbit]

This isn't about the 10th amendment, it's about some Republican lawmaker pandering to his redneck, anti-Obama base.
Nothing to see here.

 

[theeedude]

Great, more money for the rest of us.

 

[txrandom]

This isn't about the 10th amendment, it's about some Republican lawmaker pandering to his redneck, anti-Obama base.
Nothing to see here.

Didn't realize Oregon was full of Republican rednecks.

 

[CrackRabbit]

Didn't realize Oregon was full of Republican rednecks.

You've never been to eastern Oregon then.

There are many 10th amendment issues in politics today , but I don't think the healthcare bill is one of them.
It is simply pandering to a base on Crowe's part.

 

[Schadenfroh]

California (marijuana legalization) and Louisiana (should the feds pass a healthcare bill) will set very interesting precedents if their state governments decide to nullify federal law in modern times.

 

[JSt0rm]

Great, more money for the rest of us.

This. Fuck the south. Bye bye red necks.

 

[Jiggz]

The Louisiana purchase is being invalidated? No worries, Obamacare is not necessarily dead but only in a coma! The ax won't fully come done until mid-term election in the Fall.

 

[Strk]

This. Fuck the south. Bye bye red necks.

The South is good for taking much more money than they put in

 

[RedChief]

WTF??? Sen. Mary Landrieu got $100 million in extra federal money for her yes vote on the health care bill, now they want to make it illegal?

This is entirely about the 10th amendment. For the past 70+ years, the federal government has been increasing its power at the expense of the states. Its time to reverse that and allow the states to actually have a say in this union.

 

[sandorski]

America is jumping the shark over this and other issues. It boggles the mind how people are completely ignoring the Facts and allowing yet another big Problem continue to get bigger. Government Debt/Deficits, Personal Debt, Trade Deficit, Future SS Deficit, increasing Costs of HealthCare, yadda yadda ya. Each one of these issues is a ticking time bomb with the ability to destroy the Economy, but people are content to drag each one on and on for their misguided Ideological stupidities.

Time is running out.

 

[Vic]

California (marijuana legalization) and Louisiana (should the feds pass a healthcare bill) will set very interesting precedents if their state governments decide to nullify federal law in modern times.

I'm good with both these.

 

[Tab]

I'm good with both these.

Yes, of course you and I both agree Marijuana should be legal but shouldn't Federal Law supersede State Law? Otherwise, it just make the Federal Laws worthless and will probably breed all sorts of nasty effects.

 

[RedCOMET]

This is entirely about the 10th amendment. For the past 70+ years, the federal government has been increasing its power at the expense of the states. Its time to reverse that and allow the states to actually have a say in this union.

Exactly!!

Also, the Federal Govt likes un funded mandates. Awesome programs like that the states don't want but are forced to fund and enact them.

 

[Vic]

Yes, of course you and I both agree Marijuana should be legal but shouldn't Federal Law supersede State Law? Otherwise, it just make the Federal Laws worthless and will probably breed all sorts of nasty effects.

Who better than the States to keep the fed govt in check?

 

[drebo]

Yes, of course you and I both agree Marijuana should be legal but shouldn't Federal Law supersede State Law? Otherwise, it just make the Federal Laws worthless and will probably breed all sorts of nasty effects.

No, it shouldn't. The Constitution is very explicit in what the Federal government is responsible for. If it's not explicitly outlined in the Constitution, it's the jurisdiction of the states (that's what the 10th Amendment was for).

Additionally, it is well within states' rights to pass legislation which invalidates federal law, as long as that legislation does not impose upon the rights of its citizens as defined in the Constitution.

The Federal government was created to organize interstate commerce and maintain foreign relations. It was NOT intended to rule the daily lives of US citizens.

 

[Tab]

Who better than the States to keep the fed govt in check?

Can't I say that the other way around too?

No, it shouldn't. The Constitution is very explicit in what the Federal government is responsible for. If it's not explicitly outlined in the Constitution, it's the jurisdiction of the states (that's what the 10th Amendment was for).

Additionally, it is well within states' rights to pass legislation which invalidates federal law, as long as that legislation does not impose upon the rights of its citizens as defined in the Constitution.

The Federal government was created to organize interstate commerce and maintain foreign relations. It was NOT intended to rule the daily lives of US citizens.

I'm not a Constitutional expert but to me it doesn't make sense in my mind. As of right now the Federal Government believes Marijuana is bad and should be illegal.

Let me think of analogy, the Federal Government is your Mom. The states are your uncles/teachers/whatever and your just a boy. Should your Uncle/Teacher/whatever have say over what your Mother thinks you can do? No.

That, and it just seems absurd for Federal Government to get spanked around like this aren't they suppose to be the ones in charge?

 

[Vic]

Can't I say that the other way around too?

Certainly.

 

[Patranus]

You've never been to eastern Oregon then.

There are many 10th amendment issues in politics today , but I don't think the healthcare bill is one of them.
It is simply pandering to a base on Crowe's part.

You are an idiot. I guess MA is also full of red necks?
Why do you think a lot of MA was against the health care "reform" concocted by Congress? Why do you think they voted for Brown who said very clearly he would be the 41 vote to "kill the bill" even though he voted for MA single payer?

The fact of the matter is that MA enacted a system that works for them. Any federal program would require them to pay for their system (which they like and is working for them) and the federal system. This would result in something very bad for MA.

 

[First]

Yup, mostly rednecks.

 

[sportage]

THis is totally hilarious. What WILL happen is... Your so called Obama care will pass (in some form), with at least a few positive features still in the passed bill. Features like.. no more pre existing, or no cap on lifetime benefit payments, or some of the other "good" things in the bill. And THEN... states with their head up their "A", that had passed legislation to ban Obama care, will scurry in a panic to "reverse" their misguided decision. That is... AFTER the public realize the positive benefits in Obama care, followed by state citizens screaming "we want Obama care" in order to gain those plan benefits banned by their legislator. I.e. “why should we suffer from unjust pre existing limits in our state?”, or “why should we be subject to some unjust lifetime benefit payout in our state?”.
What people may cry against today, they pound their fists when excluded from tomorrow, crying “unfair”. People are silly like that…

This same type of thing happened with Medicare in the 1960's. States that were convinced Medicare was some bad thing, sure reversed their thinking when it got down to banning Medicare in their state.
While Obama care might contain some bad, as it stands now, it still does (so far) contains many useful features of great benefit to the average insured. I doubt people will still want to “opt-out” after they see other states reaping the positive benefits of Obama care, just as with Medicare.
People may cry out now, but soon will change their mind when they see Obama care in action, and realize how the insurance industry and republicans had duped them, with false truths and unfounded fear. Fear funded by the insurance lobbyist, paid into the pockets of the legislators fighting reform.
Try to pass some legislation in any state that opts-out of Medicare... The seniors would hang the legislators one by one outside the statehouse on the tallest tree.
Obama care, if your read the bill, does have a lot of good remaining in it. The very benefits the healthcare industry wanted so hard to stop.

 

[cubby1223]

^^^
ah sportage, touting the partisan speak as always.

Doesn't matter, though, Obamacare is dead. Where they go from here is anybody's guess, but it will not be anything close to the current legislation.

 

[nick1985]

THis is totally hilarious. What WILL happen is... Your so called Obama care will pass (in some form), with at least a few positive features still in the passed bill. Features like.. no more pre existing, or no cap on lifetime benefit payments, or some of the other "good" things in the bill. And THEN... states with their head up their "A", that had passed legislation to ban Obama care, will scurry in a panic to "reverse" their misguided decision. That is... AFTER the public realize the positive benefits in Obama care, followed by state citizens screaming "we want Obama care" in order to gain those plan benefits banned by their legislator. I.e. “why should we suffer from unjust pre existing limits in our state?”, or “why should we be subject to some unjust lifetime benefit payout in our state?”.
What people may cry against today, they pound their fists when excluded from tomorrow, crying “unfair”. People are silly like that…

I want whatever you are smoking