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Louisiana House OK's Ban on Most Abortions

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BATON ROUGE, La. ? The Louisiana House approved a ban on most abortions, a largely symbolic bill that could go into effect only if the U.S. Supreme Court's landmark 1973 decision is overturned.

The measure would allow abortion in cases when the woman's life is in danger or childbirth would permanently harm her health. The bill passed 85-17 and heads to the Senate.

It could take effect only under two circumstances: if the U.S. Constitution is amended to allow states to ban abortion; or if the U.S. Supreme Court strikes down its own Roe v. Wade ruling, which provided for a woman's right to an abortion.

The bill is similar to a South Dakota law passed this year that is expected to land before the high court.

Passage of the Louisiana bill was not in doubt; the fight centered on whether to allow exceptions for rape and incest victims. The amendment failed after opponents argued that the bill should prevent as many abortions as possible.

Under the bill, doctors found guilty of performing abortions would face up to 10 years in prison and fines of $100,000.

Gov. Kathleen Blanco, who campaigned as an anti-abortion candidate, has not said whether she would support such a strict ban.


Round 2. There are probably plenty of other states where the will of the people through the legislatures would pass similar statutes.
 
Originally posted by: zendari
There are probably plenty of other states where the will of the Radical Religious Controlling people through the legislatures would pass similar statutes.

Fixed for you and your America Hating ilk.
 
Originally posted by: zendari
Round 2. There are probably plenty of other states where the will of the people through the legislatures would pass similar statutes.
You better hope they do. These obvious attempts to put wedge-issue crap like this in front of voters this November are what fuel the GOP. Red states better have god/gays/guns legislation on the ballots as it's the only way to drive the fundies into a frenzy of voter activity. A virtual repeat of 2004 strategy.
 
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: zendari
There are probably plenty of other states where the will of the Radical Religious Controlling people through the legislatures would pass similar statutes.

Fixed for you and your America Hating ilk.
Maybe he prefers Gas Chambers to Abortion clinics?
 
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: zendari
Round 2. There are probably plenty of other states where the will of the people through the legislatures would pass similar statutes.
You better hope they do. These obvious attempts to put wedge-issue crap like this in front of voters this November are what fuel the GOP. Red states better have god/gays/guns legislation on the ballots as it's the only way to drive the fundies into a frenzy of voter activity. A virtual repeat of 2004 strategy.

If its a wedge issue why do lefties make a fuss about gay marraige?

The idea of gay marraige didn't originate from the GOP; some liberal thought it up in the first place.
 
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: zendari
Round 2. There are probably plenty of other states where the will of the people through the legislatures would pass similar statutes.
You better hope they do. These obvious attempts to put wedge-issue crap like this in front of voters this November are what fuel the GOP. Red states better have god/gays/guns legislation on the ballots as it's the only way to drive the fundies into a frenzy of voter activity. A virtual repeat of 2004 strategy.

If its a wedge issue why do lefties make a fuss about gay marraige?
The difference - the religious right is struggling to TAKE RIGHTS AWAY. The pro-gay-marriage left is struggling TO GET RIGHTS.

In one case, people are trying to HARM other people with legislation, in another people are trying to HELP. For better, or for worse, the intent difference here is clear.
 
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: zendari
Round 2. There are probably plenty of other states where the will of the people through the legislatures would pass similar statutes.
You better hope they do. These obvious attempts to put wedge-issue crap like this in front of voters this November are what fuel the GOP. Red states better have god/gays/guns legislation on the ballots as it's the only way to drive the fundies into a frenzy of voter activity. A virtual repeat of 2004 strategy.

If its a wedge issue why do lefties make a fuss about gay marraige?

The idea of gay marraige didn't originate from the GOP; some liberal thought it up in the first place.

I believe pushing for an amendment against gay marriage is making a bit more of a fuss than just saying let it happen.
 
Originally posted by: Meuge
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: zendari
Round 2. There are probably plenty of other states where the will of the people through the legislatures would pass similar statutes.
You better hope they do. These obvious attempts to put wedge-issue crap like this in front of voters this November are what fuel the GOP. Red states better have god/gays/guns legislation on the ballots as it's the only way to drive the fundies into a frenzy of voter activity. A virtual repeat of 2004 strategy.

If its a wedge issue why do lefties make a fuss about gay marraige?
The difference - the religious right is struggling to TAKE RIGHTS AWAY. The pro-gay-marriage left is struggling TO GET RIGHTS.

In one case, people are trying to HARM other people with legislation, in another people are trying to HELP. For better, or for worse, the intent difference here is clear.
Then why do you side with the ilk that strive to HARM others with legislation??? 😕
 
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Meuge
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: zendari
Round 2. There are probably plenty of other states where the will of the people through the legislatures would pass similar statutes.
You better hope they do. These obvious attempts to put wedge-issue crap like this in front of voters this November are what fuel the GOP. Red states better have god/gays/guns legislation on the ballots as it's the only way to drive the fundies into a frenzy of voter activity. A virtual repeat of 2004 strategy.

If its a wedge issue why do lefties make a fuss about gay marraige?
The difference - the religious right is struggling to TAKE RIGHTS AWAY. The pro-gay-marriage left is struggling TO GET RIGHTS.

In one case, people are trying to HARM other people with legislation, in another people are trying to HELP. For better, or for worse, the intent difference here is clear.
Then why do you side with the ilk that strive to HARM others with legislation??? 😕
For the last ****** time Dave, I think for myself. I don't just pick a side in the ******-throwing contest between a douche and a turd and stick to it regardless of what they do.

There are issues that are agree with republicans on, such as gun rights, support for Israel, problems with affirmative action, etc.., some of the economic policies.

And then there are issues that I agree with democrats on, such as abortion rights, gay marriage (somewhat), freedoms of speech and press, freedom from surveillance, etc.. etc..

Unlike you, I choose to vote based on my conscience, knowledge, and judgement, rather than according to party lines.
 
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Meuge
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: zendari
Round 2. There are probably plenty of other states where the will of the people through the legislatures would pass similar statutes.
You better hope they do. These obvious attempts to put wedge-issue crap like this in front of voters this November are what fuel the GOP. Red states better have god/gays/guns legislation on the ballots as it's the only way to drive the fundies into a frenzy of voter activity. A virtual repeat of 2004 strategy.

If its a wedge issue why do lefties make a fuss about gay marraige?
The difference - the religious right is struggling to TAKE RIGHTS AWAY. The pro-gay-marriage left is struggling TO GET RIGHTS.

In one case, people are trying to HARM other people with legislation, in another people are trying to HELP. For better, or for worse, the intent difference here is clear.
Then why do you side with the ilk that strive to HARM others with legislation??? 😕

Wait, what? From his post Meuge seems at least neutral.
 
Originally posted by: Strk
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: zendari
Round 2. There are probably plenty of other states where the will of the people through the legislatures would pass similar statutes.
You better hope they do. These obvious attempts to put wedge-issue crap like this in front of voters this November are what fuel the GOP. Red states better have god/gays/guns legislation on the ballots as it's the only way to drive the fundies into a frenzy of voter activity. A virtual repeat of 2004 strategy.

If its a wedge issue why do lefties make a fuss about gay marraige?

The idea of gay marraige didn't originate from the GOP; some liberal thought it up in the first place.

I believe pushing for an amendment against gay marriage is making a bit more of a fuss than just saying let it happen.

On the contrary. Pushing for an amendment buries the issue and takes it out of the picture; while liberals continue to make a fuss in 50 different states.
 
Originally posted by: GeNome
Wait, what? From his post Meuge seems at least neutral.
Shh... don't ruin it for him. He has a one-track mind - I disagreed with him on one issue, and now I'm automatically in the "enemies" camp, and he doesn't differentiate between them.
 
Originally posted by: GeNome
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Meuge
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: zendari
Round 2. There are probably plenty of other states where the will of the people through the legislatures would pass similar statutes.
You better hope they do. These obvious attempts to put wedge-issue crap like this in front of voters this November are what fuel the GOP. Red states better have god/gays/guns legislation on the ballots as it's the only way to drive the fundies into a frenzy of voter activity. A virtual repeat of 2004 strategy.

If its a wedge issue why do lefties make a fuss about gay marraige?
The difference - the religious right is struggling to TAKE RIGHTS AWAY. The pro-gay-marriage left is struggling TO GET RIGHTS.

In one case, people are trying to HARM other people with legislation, in another people are trying to HELP. For better, or for worse, the intent difference here is clear.
Then why do you side with the ilk that strive to HARM others with legislation??? 😕

Wait, what? From his post Meuge seems at least neutral.

Really, he's as neutral as you are :roll:
 
Originally posted by: zendari


Round 2. There are probably plenty of other states where the will of the people through the legislatures would pass similar statutes.

Yeah, I'm sure the same will of the people would abolish brown v. board of education and remove that darwin guy from biology.
 
Originally posted by: GeNome
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Meuge
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: zendari
Round 2. There are probably plenty of other states where the will of the people through the legislatures would pass similar statutes.
You better hope they do. These obvious attempts to put wedge-issue crap like this in front of voters this November are what fuel the GOP. Red states better have god/gays/guns legislation on the ballots as it's the only way to drive the fundies into a frenzy of voter activity. A virtual repeat of 2004 strategy.

If its a wedge issue why do lefties make a fuss about gay marraige?
The difference - the religious right is struggling to TAKE RIGHTS AWAY. The pro-gay-marriage left is struggling TO GET RIGHTS.

In one case, people are trying to HARM other people with legislation, in another people are trying to HELP. For better, or for worse, the intent difference here is clear.
Then why do you side with the ilk that strive to HARM others with legislation??? 😕

Wait, what? From his post Meuge seems at least neutral.

For people like Dave and George Bush, you're either with them or against them. There's no such thing as a "thinking man's territory" - a middle ground, if you will - where one considers and scrutinizes ideas from ALL sides.

+10 to me for grouping Dave with W
 
The difference - the religious right is struggling to TAKE RIGHTS AWAY. The pro-gay-marriage left is struggling TO GET RIGHTS.

In one case, people are trying to HARM other people with legislation, in another people are trying to HELP. For better, or for worse, the intent difference here is clear.
I generally agree with your premise, but not necessarily how you framed the discussion.

I don't believe that abortion or marriage are necessarily rights...they are privileges within our society...there is no inalienable human or even civil right to an abortion or marriage. They are institutions or procedures that society has dictated as being beneficial to the common good, but they can easily be replaced or otherwise eliminated without creating a Constitutional crisis.

Therefore, a more refined statement perhaps is to state that the religious right is attempting to restrict certain privileges in our society, while abortions rights groups are attempting to preserve certain privileges and the pro gay marriage movement is attempting to obtain certain privileges.

I don't think it is necessarily a question of harm or help. I don't think the religious right is necessarily trying to harm anyone...they are just very narrowly focused in terms of what they believe is best for society. I don't agree with their methods or intentions, but I respect their right to engage the political process.

However, it must be stressed that they are using our system of government quite effectively to further their causes...the only balance against tyranny of the majority is to ensure that those against such ideologies consolidate their power base and launch an effective counter movement.
 
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: Strk
Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: zendari
Round 2. There are probably plenty of other states where the will of the people through the legislatures would pass similar statutes.
You better hope they do. These obvious attempts to put wedge-issue crap like this in front of voters this November are what fuel the GOP. Red states better have god/gays/guns legislation on the ballots as it's the only way to drive the fundies into a frenzy of voter activity. A virtual repeat of 2004 strategy.

If its a wedge issue why do lefties make a fuss about gay marraige?

The idea of gay marraige didn't originate from the GOP; some liberal thought it up in the first place.

I believe pushing for an amendment against gay marriage is making a bit more of a fuss than just saying let it happen.

On the contrary. Pushing for an amendment buries the issue and takes it out of the picture; while liberals continue to make a fuss in 50 different states.

And just letting it happen doesn't require all the work that goes into a constitutional amendment.
 
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: zendari
There are probably plenty of other states where the will of the Radical Religious Controlling people through the legislatures would pass similar statutes.

Fixed for you and your America Hating ilk.

I thought you Democrats were all about human life.
You know, Save Iraqis, Free Tookie....

Guess its ok to kill babies though eh?

Interesting set of beliefs. Adults and criminals deserve life no matter thier actions, babies should be sucked out with a straw and thrown in the trash can.
 
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: zendari
There are probably plenty of other states where the will of the Radical Religious Controlling people through the legislatures would pass similar statutes.

Fixed for you and your America Hating ilk.

I thought you Democrats were all about human life.
You know, Save Iraqis, Free Tookie....

Guess its ok to kill babies though eh?

Interesting set of beliefs. Adults and criminals deserve life no matter thier actions, babies should be sucked out with a straw and thrown in the trash can.

Until it is breathing on it's own, it is not a baby, its a collection of cells. Nothing different than a tumor.
 
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Interesting set of beliefs. Adults and criminals deserve life no matter thier actions, babies should be sucked out with a straw and thrown in the trash can.

This is actually why I'm not a card-carrying liberal. I can't associate with a group of people who will make total asses of themselves defending a serial murderer/rapist and in the same breath defend the idea of destroying a baby simply because it's "her body".

For the record, I'm against the killing of both.
 
Originally posted by: zendari
On the contrary. Pushing for an amendment buries the issue and takes it out of the picture; while liberals continue to make a fuss in 50 different states.
You mean like the fundies trying to "outlaw" abortion even though they don't have the legal authority to do so?
 
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: zendari
There are probably plenty of other states where the will of the Radical Religious Controlling people through the legislatures would pass similar statutes.

Fixed for you and your America Hating ilk.

I thought you Democrats were all about human life.
You know, Save Iraqis, Free Tookie....

Guess its ok to kill babies though eh?

Interesting set of beliefs. Adults and criminals deserve life no matter thier actions, babies should be sucked out with a straw and thrown in the trash can.

Until it is breathing on it's own, it is not a baby, its a collection of cells. Nothing different than a tumor.

I see. So this thread should really just be titled "US Troops Kill Woman in Iraq", since the "pregnant" part is really just insignificant.

US Troops Kill Woman in Iraq
But in a stroke of luck wipe out tumor!
 
Originally posted by: jbourne77
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: zendari
There are probably plenty of other states where the will of the Radical Religious Controlling people through the legislatures would pass similar statutes.

Fixed for you and your America Hating ilk.

I thought you Democrats were all about human life.
You know, Save Iraqis, Free Tookie....

Guess its ok to kill babies though eh?

Interesting set of beliefs. Adults and criminals deserve life no matter thier actions, babies should be sucked out with a straw and thrown in the trash can.

Until it is breathing on it's own, it is not a baby, its a collection of cells. Nothing different than a tumor.

I see. So http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=52&threadid=1869659&f
mKeyword=&STARTPAGE=2&FTVAR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear
should really just be titled "US Troops Kill Woman in Iraq", since the "pregnant" part is really just insignificant.

Yeah it should.

Why do they use the pregant issue in the title? To sell, it leaps out at you. Marketing 101. Yes though, it is insignificant.
 
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: jbourne77
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: zendari
There are probably plenty of other states where the will of the Radical Religious Controlling people through the legislatures would pass similar statutes.

Fixed for you and your America Hating ilk.

I thought you Democrats were all about human life.
You know, Save Iraqis, Free Tookie....

Guess its ok to kill babies though eh?

Interesting set of beliefs. Adults and criminals deserve life no matter thier actions, babies should be sucked out with a straw and thrown in the trash can.

Until it is breathing on it's own, it is not a baby, its a collection of cells. Nothing different than a tumor.

I see. So http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=52&threadid=1869659&f
mKeyword=&STARTPAGE=2&FTVAR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear
should really just be titled "US Troops Kill Woman in Iraq", since the "pregnant" part is really just insignificant.

Yeah it should.

Why do they use the pregant issue in the title? To sell, it leaps out at you. Marketing 101. Yes though, it is insignificant.

😕

Well, let's all be grateful that our parents weren't as cavalier about human life as you are.
 
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