Lou Dobbs is 100% right

[Modelworks]

Uh... you said "the idea had never been tried anywhere before, it wasn't even a concept invented at the time. ". Now, it was just "not widely known at the time"?

Just admit it, you made a mistake. Post evidence that it was "not widely known"..

It was not a concept at the time. I have read the discussions that the founding fathers had and they discussed everything from putting a king on the throne for the country to having no government at all and only assembling when something happened, but never once even remotely considered a system where each persons vote would directly control laws.

You should read those discussions they are very enlightening.

I can't read the minds of dead people to tell you what they did or did not know, but I can say that the likelihood of people from that era having studied ancient greek civilizations , specifically those who founded the country, is very very slim. Especially taking into consideration that they did not even bring the subject up in the many letters.

 

[fskimospy]

First, I would like to see these polls please.

According to Gallup Americans are more 'conservative' this year than last. In a huge poll with more than 5000 respondents twice as many people call themselves conservative as call themselves liberal. 40% to 20% and for the first time since 2004 conservative out number moderates as well.

Also, conservatives have outnumbered liberals for over a decade now, probably several decades but the data doesn't go that far back.

Finally, you can't look at party identification to determine the ideological preference of voters. Southern Democrats are FAR more conservative than northern Democrats. One of the main reasons Democrats were able to retake control of congress was by going out and recruiting conservative southern Democrats and getting them to run for congress.

Heath Shuler is a perfect example of this, he is pro-life, anti-abortion, anti-illegal immigration and a fiscal conservative serving in a seat that had been held by a Republican for 16 years.

BTW Americanprogress.org did a study that added progress and libertarian to the mix and found that the country is 31 liberal/progress 31 moderate and 36 libertarian/conservative.

And if you knew anything about partisan self-identification studies you would realize that most Americans don't even know what 'conservative' or 'liberal' mean. In fact I'm pretty sure I've educated you on this exact point in the past... to no avail apparently.

What you said was simply demonstrably false and you got called out on it. Remember Pro-Jo, reality should dictate ideology, not ideology dictating reality. When you take a step back and actually try to consider an issue without being blinded by partisanship you're a pretty bright guy. I wish you would do it more often.

 

[DisgruntledVirus]

The problem with Lou Dobbs in that interview is he is talking out two sides of his mouth. He says the country needs to move away from the extreme right and left. Govern from the center he says. But it was Lou Dobbs who gave credibility to the extreme right time and time again. It was Lou Dobbs who constantly attacked illegal immigrants with outlandish claims giving voice to the extreme right on the issue. It was Lou Dobbs who ran out the extreme rights embarrasing "birthers" on TV over and over again. Even putting people on, who facts clearly proved they were lying about the issue. It was Lou Dobbs who lauded the extreme rights Obama waffle box trash. So all the bullshit Lou is slinging in that interview is just that, bullshit. Its amazing how a persons tune changes when they have been shown the door. Lou Dobbs couldn't see the center of any social, political, or economic situation if you showed it to him with a damn magnifying glass.

I never listened/watched the guy until that interview. That was the first time I ever watched/listened to anything he said for more then a minute or two. In the interview, the things he said I agree with in theory. In practice/reality it is not always possible to "govern from the center".

As for what he has said/done in the past, I can't comment if I like it or not because I haven't watched it. In the interview with Jon Stewart though, I agree with what he said.

 

[daniel49]

Well I guess that would be true, except that what R's define as radical leftist anything that is the slightest bit left of Limbaugh.

The center of the R party is the extreme right to most people, that's why Lindsay Graham is being targeted for acknowledging that we might be contributing to global warming.

The center of the R party is the old democratic party, and the leadership of the democratic party is dragging them into the socialist party USA.

 

[shadow9d9]

It was not a concept at the time. I have read the discussions that the founding fathers had and they discussed everything from putting a king on the throne for the country to having no government at all and only assembling when something happened, but never once even remotely considered a system where each persons vote would directly control laws.

You should read those discussions they are very enlightening.

I can't read the minds of dead people to tell you what they did or did not know, but I can say that the likelihood of people from that era having studied ancient greek civilizations , specifically those who founded the country, is very very slim. Especially taking into consideration that they did not even bring the subject up in the many letters.

Of course they didn't... remember.. as you said... direct democracy hadn't even been invented yet!

What a joke.

 

[shadow9d9]

The center of the R party is the old democratic party, and the leadership of the democratic party is dragging them into the socialist party USA.

Wow.

There is no left in this country. Just a bunch of centrist compromisers that have to deal with super religious inbreds that make up the poor and uneducated south and midwest of this country.

 

[Steeplerot]

Wow.

There is no left in this country. Just a bunch of centrist compromisers.

Still many intellectuals, writers and such. But what you say about workers is true, they are uneducated about the actual left, damn shame too the left in the USA has a amazing history of accomplishments.

Still though, being actually left in this country gets you offed, it's not the best career.