Lot's of speeding questions today, I have one.

[leftyman]

Always drive at or below the speed limit. If you choose to follow the crowd and travel at the same speed as everyone else, you could receive a ticket for speeding. The law does not make exceptions because everyone else is speeding too.

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[Imported]

I got a ticket passing a big rig at 90mph. Big rig was going like 80 :/

 

[DougK62]

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: DougK62

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: DougK62
Wow. It is NOT legal to speed while you are passing someone. Quite sad that so many apparently don't know this.

Maybe because that's what's being taught in Driver's Ed??? It's what I was taught. I remember it quite clearly in fact, because I was rather surprised. My wife was taught the same thing in an entirely different school.

I'm not saying this is proof of fact, but this was the information being propagated by instructors in the Midwest in 1994.

Well then you and your wife were either taught wrong or are not remembering correctly. My brother has taught driver's ed during the summer for the past 4 years for 2 different well-known companies. Speeding while overtaking a vehicle is STILL speeding and you can get ticketed. If you need to speed to pass a vehicle then you should not be passing.

I'm not saying that this is ideal in the "real world", but it IS the law.

P.S. I also took driver's ed in the early 90's in the midwest and was definitely taught to NOT speed while overtaking.

Curious as to what makes your brother right and all these other instructors wrong.

Again, I'm not saying I know for a fact one way or the other, but there sure seems to be a lot of confidence bred from secondhand knowledge in here.

You might be right, but not just because your brother says so. There's also the fact that we're essentially referring to the laws in 50 states as one collective set.

Well it just shows that the majority in here have not been informed correctly or do not have a proper recollection of what they learned.

I'm not just making this up for fun. You can google it all day. It's illegal. I saw it just weeks ago in the state driving book here (Indiana).

 

[KK]

my drivers ed teacher in high school said it was legal to speed to pass someone going under the speed limit, but you could only speed for less than a quarter mile. This was in PA about 15 years ago.

 

[MikeyIs4Dcats]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: DougK62
Wow. It is NOT legal to speed while you are passing someone. Quite sad that so many apparently don't know this.

Maybe because that's what's being taught in Driver's Ed??? It's what I was taught. I remember it quite clearly in fact, because I was rather surprised. My wife was taught the same thing in an entirely different school.

And it is what I was taught in drivers ed as well.

NOT speeding when overtaking creates a dangerous situation for both lanes and both cars.

Just like if you are turning left across traffic, you are to pull into the middle of the Intersection. If the light turns red, you proceed to make your turn because you have the right of way.

if you are in the middle of an intersection and the light turns red you can receive a ticket. legally you are not allowed to enter into the intersection and wait to turn, you must wait behind the hold bars at the entry into the intersection.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: DougK62
Wow. It is NOT legal to speed while you are passing someone. Quite sad that so many apparently don't know this.

Maybe because that's what's being taught in Driver's Ed??? It's what I was taught. I remember it quite clearly in fact, because I was rather surprised. My wife was taught the same thing in an entirely different school.

And it is what I was taught in drivers ed as well.

NOT speeding when overtaking creates a dangerous situation for both lanes and both cars.

Just like if you are turning left across traffic, you are to pull into the middle of the Intersection. If the light turns red, you proceed to make your turn because you have the right of way.

See that is what I told the office when I got pulled over. I said, "hey, I'm just overtaking all the cars on the freeway because I don't want to create a dangerous situtation." And he said, "you were doing 90 sir?" Needless to say, he didn't go for it.

 

[MikeyIs4Dcats]

according to some information I found via Google, it IS legal in Washington State to exceed the speed limit by a reasonable amount only as necessary and only as long as necessary to overtake a slow moving vehicle on a 2 lane roadway.

Many other states prohibit that. It is possible that the OP's state has a similar law.

 

[alkemyst]

There is never a time when it's ok to exceed the speed limit. If you have to pass and the other person is not making it easy....it's too bad in the law's eyes.

Doesn't matter for medical emergency, restroom, late for work...speeding is never legal.

However; I do so anyway.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: DougK62
Wow. It is NOT legal to speed while you are passing someone. Quite sad that so many apparently don't know this.

Maybe because that's what's being taught in Driver's Ed??? It's what I was taught. I remember it quite clearly in fact, because I was rather surprised. My wife was taught the same thing in an entirely different school.

And it is what I was taught in drivers ed as well.

NOT speeding when overtaking creates a dangerous situation for both lanes and both cars.

Just like if you are turning left across traffic, you are to pull into the middle of the Intersection. If the light turns red, you proceed to make your turn because you have the right of way.

if you are in the middle of an intersection and the light turns red you can receive a ticket. legally you are not allowed to enter into the intersection and wait to turn, you must wait behind the hold bars at the entry into the intersection.

Being in the intersection depends on your state laws.

 

[MikeyIs4Dcats]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: DougK62
Wow. It is NOT legal to speed while you are passing someone. Quite sad that so many apparently don't know this.

Maybe because that's what's being taught in Driver's Ed??? It's what I was taught. I remember it quite clearly in fact, because I was rather surprised. My wife was taught the same thing in an entirely different school.

And it is what I was taught in drivers ed as well.

NOT speeding when overtaking creates a dangerous situation for both lanes and both cars.

Just like if you are turning left across traffic, you are to pull into the middle of the Intersection. If the light turns red, you proceed to make your turn because you have the right of way.

if you are in the middle of an intersection and the light turns red you can receive a ticket. legally you are not allowed to enter into the intersection and wait to turn, you must wait behind the hold bars at the entry into the intersection.

Being in the intersection depends on your state laws.

thats possible. Jules lives in California though, and according to California law he is breaking it by blocking the intersection.

Link

 

[imported_Baloo]

Originally posted by: leftyman
Always drive at or below the speed limit. If you choose to follow the crowd and travel at the same speed as everyone else, you could receive a ticket for speeding. The law does not make exceptions because everyone else is speeding too.

from Text

I heard of people doing as you advise and getting ticked for reckless driving. it is better to go with the flow.

 

[nweaver]

When I took DE in Nevada, it was up to 5 MPH over the speed limit to pass someone.

 

[chambersc]

Originally posted by: pontifex
probably when passing someone in a passing zone

yeah, i think it's +10mph over the limit when passing.

 

[Garet Jax]

Originally posted by: pontifex
probably when passing someone in a passing zone

You're kidding right?

 

[Vegitto]

When an officer of the law tells you to or when there is a medical emergency.

 

[Garet Jax]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Wait, wait, there's people here who actually, honestly, truly think it would be illegal to speed when overtaking on a two-lane highway? No wonder there's so many carcasses piling up on 17 North.

- M4H

The point is that if you need to speed to overtake someone, then you don't overtake them.

 

[Garet Jax]

Originally posted by: d3n
My wife was driving as we headed down an empty stretch of highway with a fairly steep grade all in all it was a couple of miles long. Behind us a Semi was using up every inch of both lanes as he flew down the roadway. About a quarter mile back it was obvious he was in trouble by the way he was flashing his high beams at us and fighting to keep a line in the corners. So we floored it and got nailed by a cop at the bottom of the hill doing somewhere around 95mph. We pulled over on a strait stretch.

I watched as the cop came up to the window. The semi raced up behind him. He had his horn blowing and the engine brake pounding. It scared the crap out of the cop who didn't realize the truck that was a mile back was now right behind him doing about 80. After the cop cleaned his drawers we explained the situation and pointed to the truck that had run out and pulled over about a mile ahead.


We got a pass on that one.

Herein lies the trick. I think the answer is:

It is ok to speed, when not doing so would be dangerous.

 

[leftyman]

Originally posted by: Baloo

Originally posted by: leftyman
Always drive at or below the speed limit. If you choose to follow the crowd and travel at the same speed as everyone else, you could receive a ticket for speeding. The law does not make exceptions because everyone else is speeding too.

from Text

I heard of people doing as you advise and getting ticked for reckless driving. it is better to go with the flow.

that is not my advice. it is NYSDMV advice.

 

[Fingolfin269]

There is some local radio show where a lawyer has a talk show once a week. This subject came up and from what I understand there are many times when you can go over the speed limit. He said it has to do with the way the signs are posted in the state. According to him, 'Speed Limit' does not mean the same as 'Speed Maximum' or something like that. Certain factors are involved such as weather, visibility, other vehicles, etc.

I still just follow the speed limit.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: Garet Jax

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Wait, wait, there's people here who actually, honestly, truly think it would be illegal to speed when overtaking on a two-lane highway? No wonder there's so many carcasses piling up on 17 North.

- M4H

The point is that if you need to speed to overtake someone, then you don't overtake them.

Motorhome doing 70 in a 90 on a hilly two-lane. You'd better damned well believe that I'm going to overtake them before they hit the next upward grade and slow to 50, and I'm going to do it at WOT.

- M4H

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: leftyman

Originally posted by: Baloo

Originally posted by: leftyman
Always drive at or below the speed limit. If you choose to follow the crowd and travel at the same speed as everyone else, you could receive a ticket for speeding. The law does not make exceptions because everyone else is speeding too.

from Text

I heard of people doing as you advise and getting ticked for reckless driving. it is better to go with the flow.

that is not my advice. it is NYSDMV advice.

People who don't tailor their driving to current situations and blindly follow the law are some of the more dangerous drivers on the road. They're a bottleneck and create chain reactions of unpredictability behind them, which is to say nothing of the road rage it generates in the process.

I know the law says you can't speed, and I know it doesn't make exceptions for keeping with the flow of traffic. That doesn't mean it's safe, smart, and/or good vehicle operation. They can't make such exceptions because then it would be too difficult to enforce the "spirit" of the law.

But when you're climbing out of the pileup you caused, you'll at least be able to say you weren't speeding though. :thumbsup:

 

[Garet Jax]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: Garet Jax
The point is that if you need to speed to overtake someone, then you don't overtake them.

Motorhome doing 70 in a 90 on a hilly two-lane. You'd better damned well believe that I'm going to overtake them before they hit the next upward grade and slow to 50, and I'm going to do it at WOT.

- M4H

I don't disagree, but it doesn't make it legal.

 

[sao123]

Originally posted by: KK
my drivers ed teacher in high school said it was legal to speed to pass someone going under the speed limit, but you could only speed for less than a quarter mile. This was in PA about 15 years ago.

PA's traffic laws were completely re-written in 2001...

§ 3362. Maximum speed limits.
(a) General rule.--Except when a special hazard exists that requires lower speed for
compliance with section 3361 (relating to driving vehicle at safe speed), the limits specified in this section or established under this subchapter shall be maximum lawful speeds and no person shall drive a vehicle at a speed in excess of the following maximum limits:
(1) 35 miles per hour in any urban district.
(1.1) 65 miles per hour for all vehicles on freeways where the department has posted
a 65-miles-per-hour speed limit.
(1.2) 25 miles per hour in a residence district if the highway:
(i) is not a numbered traffic route; and
(ii) is functionally classified by the department as a local highway.
(2) 55 miles per hour in other locations.


at twhich time the incredibly annoying right lane rule was introduced...


(d) Driving in right lane.--
(1) Except as provided in paragraph (2) and unless otherwise posted, upon all
limited access highways having two or more lanes for traffic moving in the same direction, all vehicles shall be driven in the right-hand lanes when available for traffic except when any of the following conditions exist:
(i) When overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the
same direction.
(ii) When traveling at a speed greater than the traffic flow.
(iii) When moving left to allow traffic to merge.
(iv) When preparing for a left turn at an intersection, exit or into a
private road or driveway when such left turn is legally permitted.



tunately the law still states that you cannot be ticketed for a speed violation of less than 5mph over the maximum limit.

(4) No person may be convicted upon evidence obtained through the use of devices
authorized by paragraphs (2) and (3) unless the speed recorded is six or more miles per hour in excess of the legal speed limit. Furthermore, no person may be convicted upon evidence obtained through the use of devices authorized by paragraph (3) in an area where the legal speed limit is less than 55 miles per hour if the speed recorded is less than ten miles per hour in excess of the legal speed limit. This paragraph shall not apply to evidence obtained through the use of devices authorized by paragraph (2) or (3) within a school zone or an active work zone.

 

[leftyman]

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: leftyman

Originally posted by: Baloo

Originally posted by: leftyman
Always drive at or below the speed limit. If you choose to follow the crowd and travel at the same speed as everyone else, you could receive a ticket for speeding. The law does not make exceptions because everyone else is speeding too.

from Text

I heard of people doing as you advise and getting ticked for reckless driving. it is better to go with the flow.

that is not my advice. it is NYSDMV advice.

People who don't tailor their driving to current situations and blindly follow the law are some of the more dangerous drivers on the road. They're a bottleneck and create chain reactions of unpredictability behind them, which is to say nothing of the road rage it generates in the process.

I know the law says you can't speed, and I know it doesn't make exceptions for keeping with the flow of traffic. That doesn't mean it's safe, smart, and/or good vehicle operation. They can't make such exceptions because then it would be too difficult to enforce the "spirit" of the law.

But when you're climbing out of the pileup you caused, you'll at least be able to say you weren't speeding though. :thumbsup:

the question was if it was legal or not. :thumbsup:

 

[oCxTiTaN]

Originally posted by: pontifex
probably when passing someone in a passing zone

Nope, you are never to increase speed to pass someone...I distinctly remember that