Lots of Rush Limbaugh hate around here ...

JDub02

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Seeing all of the Limbaugh haters in the St. Louis Rams thread caused me to think about this article by Andrew Klavan that appeared in the LA Times on 3/29/09.

If you are reading this newspaper, the likelihood is that you agree with the Obama administration's recent attacks on conservative radio talker Rush Limbaugh. That's the likelihood; here's the certainty: You've never listened to Rush Limbaugh.

Oh no, you haven't. Whenever I interrupt a liberal's anti-Limbaugh rant to point out that the ranter has never actually listened to the man, he always says the same thing: "I've heard him!"

On further questioning, it always turns out that by "heard him," he means he's heard the selected excerpts spoon-fed him by the distortion-mongers of the mainstream media. These excerpts are specifically designed to accomplish one thing: to make sure you never actually listen to Limbaugh's show, never actually give him a fair chance to speak his piece to you directly.

By lifting some typically Rushian piece of outrageous hilarity completely out of context, the distortion gang knows full well it can get you to widen your eyes and open your mouth in the universal sign of Liberal Outrage. Your scrawny chest swelling with a warm sense of completely unearned righteousness, you will turn to your second spouse and say, "I'm not a liberal, I'm a moderate, and I'm tolerant of a wide range of differing views -- but this goes too far!"

There is more untruthfulness in that statement than in a speech by President Obama. Even the commas are self-deceiving. You're not a moderate or you wouldn't be reading this newspaper. You're not tolerant of a wide range of views; you are tolerant of a narrow spectrum of variations on your views. And, whatever you claim, you still haven't listened to Rush Limbaugh.

Which leads to a question: Why not? I mean, come on, the guy's one of the figures of the age. Aren't you even curious? I listen to all your guys: NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, The Times, the New York Times, the New Yorker -- I check out the whole left-wing hallelujah chorus. Why are you afraid to spend a couple of hours listening to Limbaugh's show and seriously considering if and why you disagree with him?

Let me guess at your answer. You don't need to listen to him. You've heard enough to know he's a) racist, b) hateful, c) stupid, d) merely an outrageous entertainer not to be taken seriously or e) all of the above.

Now let me tell you the real answer: You're a lowdown, yellow-bellied, lily-livered intellectual coward. You're terrified of finding out he makes more sense than you do.

I listen to Limbaugh every chance I get, and I have never heard the man utter a single racist, hateful or stupid word. Do I always agree with him? Of course not. I'm a conservative; I think for myself. But Limbaugh, by turns insightful, satiric, raucously funny and wise, is one of the best voices talking about first principles and policy in the country today.

Therefore, I am throwing down my gauntlet at your quivering liberal feet. I hereby issue my challenge -- the Limbaugh Challenge: Listen to the show. Not for five minutes but for several hours: an hour a day for several days. Consider what he has to say -- the real policy material under the jokes and teasing bluster. Do what your intellectual keepers do not want you to do and keep an open mind. Ask yourself: What's he getting at? Why does he say the things he says? Why do so many people of goodwill -- like that nice Mr. Klavan -- agree with him?

The mainstream media (a.k.a. the Matrix) don't want you to listen to Limbaugh because they're afraid he'll wake you up and set you free of their worldview. You don't want to listen to him because you're afraid of the same thing.

Don't believe me? Well, then, gird your loins. Gather your courage. Accept the Limbaugh Challenge. See what happens.

I dare you.

Andrew Klavan is a contributing editor to City Journal.


So, who's willing to actually take the Limbaugh Challenge rather than be a mindless drone repeating the Limbaugh hate? My guess is that most people will continue the hate and reply with either "Limbaugh sucks" or "tl;dr".
 

ggnl

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I used to listen to him all the time when I was a delivery driver. What do I win?
 

NFS4

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Originally posted by: IGBT
they hate rush but love polanski.

Meh, I don't hate either one personally.

What I DO hate though about Rush and people of his ilk is that the idea that they cannot say one GOOD thing about whatever party/president he/she is opposing. I have a hard time respecting someone that is negative all the fucking time.
 

Arkaign

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I'm a conservative, and both Limbaugh and Polanski are disgusting to me, for different reasons. The biggest problem I have with Rush is that he's unapologetically hypocritical.
 

Slick5150

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I've listened (yes, listen) to him many times and I think he's an ignorant blowhard.

Do I get some cookies, or pie?

And why is IGBT brining Polanski into this thread? He's a jackass too who deserves to be where he's at right now.

Oh, and P&N
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vi edit

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I vote more Republican than Democrat on most issues and can't stand him or Hannity. Or any other far leaning blowhard of any political party for that matter that hand picks their facts and scans callers to keep things steered the way they want.

The best Limbaugh shows were the ones where Walter Williams subbed for him.
 

ayabe

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Mediamatters listens to him everyday, so I don't have to.

I have in the past, I also read his first book when I was 16 as it given to me to read by a friend of my mothers.

He made more sense back in the 90's, before the drugs, before defending every stupid thing that Bush did.
 

Craig234

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How do you keep listeners of a discredited idiot from abaondoning him a little longer? Tell them that the critics are really ignornt people who have never listened to the guy.

Bonus points for attacking the 'liberal media', repeating that lie as the 'big lie' technique demands, who make up the 'lie' that Limbaugh is as bad as he is.

Wonder how many Limbaugh followers have listened to the Thom Hartmann radio show?
 

jonks

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If the Michael J Fox bit wasn't enough, the stupidity of listening to him when my uncle drives is enough. I remember one time he was arguing how liberals are losing their influence, and as proof he cited the NY Times slipping subscription rate. But the problem is that ALL print media was seeing dwindling returns, and the NY Times had held onto more subscribers than the conservative Wall Street Journal. Then there's the time he encouraged people to register in the opposing party's primary and vote for the person they thought they had the best chance of beating in the general election. Slimy, slimy shit.
 
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Lines like this: "I listen to all your guys: NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, The Times, the New York Times, the New Yorker -- I check out the whole left-wing hallelujah chorus." make me think the author is a petty ignorant jackass who thinks that any news which doesn't have an obvious right-wing bias is automatically liberal. That's just asinine.

As for the challenge, I've listened to Rush, for extended periods of time, both for coursework in college, and entirely accidentally by virtue of having to work in a computer lab for several weeks where the attendant listened to Rush religiously, and I have to say, for every clear, salient point Rush makes, he says something stupid, hypocritical, insulting or worthless at least ten times as often. He's hard to take seriously, and not just because the "left-wing media" has painted him as a villain, but because he makes himself look like a jackass with his inflammatory rhetoric.
 

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Originally posted by: Craig234
How do you keep listeners of a discredited idiot from abaondoning him a little longer? Tell them that the critics are really ignornt people who have never listened to the guy.

Bonus points for attacking the 'liberal media', repeating that lie as the 'big lie' technique demands, who make up the 'lie' that Limbaugh is as bad as he is.

Wonder how many Limbaugh followers have listened to the Thom Hartmann radio show?

A little longer? As in, like - the 21 years he's been broadcasting his show? Yeah, the article is full of ridiculous rhetoric, but 'tu quoque' is hardly a rebuttal. Much of the clips of Rush that are paraded through the MSM are taken pretty far out of context.
 

BudAshes

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A lot of people are forced to listen to this moron every day, on construction sites, in offices etc. I feel for them. I listen to him sometimes just to hear that point of view. But I always feel sick and depressed by the end because of the constant negativity and the amazing ignorance in this day and age when you can so easily access information.
 

Moonbeam

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I listed up the things I hate about Polanski and Rush and got a real good picture of how I feel about myself. The great advantage stupid people have is that they are profoundly honest about what they hate because they don't see this truth. The more you know about yourself the more easily you can play games and pretend you don't feel what you do in fact feel.
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: inspire
Originally posted by: Craig234
How do you keep listeners of a discredited idiot from abaondoning him a little longer? Tell them that the critics are really ignornt people who have never listened to the guy.

Bonus points for attacking the 'liberal media', repeating that lie as the 'big lie' technique demands, who make up the 'lie' that Limbaugh is as bad as he is.

Wonder how many Limbaugh followers have listened to the Thom Hartmann radio show?

A little longer? As in, like - the 21 years he's been broadcasting his show? Yeah, the article is full of ridiculous rhetoric, but 'tu quoque' is hardly a rebuttal. Much of the clips of Rush that are paraded through the MSM are taken pretty far out of context.

Surprisingly, I sort of agree with you on both points. As I wrote that, I realized that Rush has very long-time listeners and isn't in much danger of being cancelled for low ratings.

Rather, I was referring to the issue I think exists for some of his listeners who are more likely to get a clue, and I'd like to see that number larger than smaller.

It does seem to me that his foundation is weaker and weaker as he defends gargbage that's not as easy ro defend as when his side has a lot of power. Frankly, I think some of the psychological elements in why people listen to a demagogue like him are threatened when his team is out of power, though I admit as well that there are other factors that can help him keep them, such as if hey can make them afraid of the Democrats instead of being drawn to them as strong, the way such people under JFK between being passionate enemies of JFK and followers of groups like the John Birch Society, and those who supported JFK, as shown by polls I'seen reports of where a much higher percent of people claimed they voted for JFK than actually had.

For the hopeless Rush followers, there's not a lot to discuss.

On your second, point, Limbaugh is despicable, but I have seen where some of the attacks on him did indeed appear unfair and 'out of context' and I've defended him on at least one.

That one I clearly remember was the one where he wanted to see America go down under Obama, which isn't what he said or meant at all, but it was widely used.
 

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Originally posted by: JDub02

So, who's willing to actually take the Limbaugh Challenge rather than be a mindless drone repeating the Limbaugh hate? My guess is that most people will continue the hate and reply with either "Limbaugh sucks" or "tl;dr".

Now let me tell you the real answer: You're a lowdown, yellow-bellied, lily-livered intellectual coward. You're terrified of finding out he makes more sense than you do.

Therefore, I am throwing down my gauntlet at your quivering liberal feet.

So an article about how Limbaugh isn't really hateful or stupid is filled with attacks on liberals and intellectuals. That makes sense.

The mainstream media (a.k.a. the Matrix) don't want you to listen to Limbaugh because they're afraid he'll wake you up and set you free of their worldview. You don't want to listen to him because you're afraid of the same thing.

Doesn't Limbaugh have one of the highest rated radio shows? HE IS PART OF THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA.

FYI I'm not a liberal, but I would put a bullet through my skull before listening to him.