Lost my job =(

[Joemonkey]

Originally posted by: BarneyFife

Originally posted by: Jumpem

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
You have to get a Doctor's note EVERY TIME you call in? What kind've cockadooey bullshit is that?

Indeed. We get unlimited sick days, and I've never been asked for a note.

Wow, I'm so glad I have my job where I can stroll in 30 mins late and just make up for it by staying 30 mins late.

Or call in sick without a doctor's note.

Or go on vacation whenever I want too.

Note to self. Never work for a Japanese company.

I work for a Japanese company and my job sounds like what you described. There's a difference between being a grunt or line worker (hourly) and being an office worker (salary).

 

[child of wonder]

Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend

Originally posted by: child of wonder

Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend
The kind that prevents our employees from calling out because they don't feel like working. If you are too sick to work, you need to go see a doctor. We also accept a doctor's note for an employee's child, if an employee has to stay home to care for him/her.

We also do a 10-panel drug screen pre-employment with random drug testing weekly. You have a problem with that too?

We take good care of our employees, so we expect them to work hard for us.

If an employer would pay the $25 co-pay I'll happily go to the Dr. every time my kids have a GI viral infection, diarrhea, a fever over 100, or a slew of other conditions that would cause daycare or school to not let them in the door, yet the Dr. could not do a damn thing about since we just need to wait it out.

The tighter an employer tries to squeeze it's employees, the more apt they are to resist that grip by breaking rules. Actual competent managers and companies know that treating your employees like adults and weeding out those that blatantly abuse that trust brings about much happier and productive employees who are actually willing to go the extra mile.

We have a 100% coverage benefits package, with no co-pay except for ER visits, that we encourage the floor workers to sign up for.

Is the package affordable?

How high will premiums rise if all the workers go to the Dr. for every fever, nausea, or sore throat they have? Quite a bit, I'd imagine.

 

[child of wonder]

Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend

Originally posted by: Jumpem

Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend
If someone just has a sore throat or is a little nauseas they should show up to work. You must be a Gen X'er.

29, wherever that puts me. I had a sore throat that started on Christmas, and I was caughing up mucus and just felt horrible. Emailed my manager on a daily basis, but stayed home for three days following Christmas.

Yep, Gen X'er.

Conversely, you're a baby boomer, correct?

 

[Prince2klbAzn]

Originally posted by: beer

Originally posted by: Prince2klbAzn

Originally posted by: beer
So, I reread this thread. It sounds like your work in IB on wall street (so, the clues are pretty obvious, but its 1030 and I didn't bother to read).

I don't know, this is why IB has always scared me - it's just work that exists that attracts the worst traits in people as soon as a boom goes south. I guess I read this and thought you were an IT analyst (since it is AT) and not a financial analyst. It sucks, though....but it shouldn't have been unexpected, AFAIK everyone I know from college whose working in IB now have been sitting on their thumbs since September or so.

EDIT: looks like i was right...le sigh

Not a financial or IT analyst =P Analyst is just a general title for anyone who starts out... be it in HR, IT, Banking, S&T or Private Wealth. I'm a 'generalist' in the Private Wealth division. They were supposedly grooming us to eventually become relationship managers or investment advisers for UHNW (ultra-high net worth) clients.

I mean I work in tech, so I can't relate, because as an industry we're not struggling to the point of layoffs now. Yea, my options are underwater significantly, so I'm not putting a down payment on a 2br $1.2mil condo anytime soon, but I'm still employed.

I mean, IB sucks, On the other hand, you probably worked in IB over other somewhat less financially lucrative fields for no other reason that the astronomical wealth being dangled in front of you in the near future. (why else would you work in IB if not for the wealth, then?) So, greed didn't work out in your favor. Find a new job off wall street, study for your GMAT, get into a MBA program that won't lock you to finance/IB and all the associated worst parts of mankind and take it as a lesson? *shrug*

Banking as a whole sucks now. Maybe move to Bain or something? Salary sucks though...

Yeah... the whole industry (except for GS) is really rough right now. My roommate works for a financial consulting company and they are rolling in the dough right now providing cost cutting advice haha. Hmm, if I work for Bain... would I have to vote for Mitt?

 

[SacrosanctFiend]

Originally posted by: child of wonder

Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend

Originally posted by: Jumpem

Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend
If someone just has a sore throat or is a little nauseas they should show up to work. You must be a Gen X'er.

29, wherever that puts me. I had a sore throat that started on Christmas, and I was caughing up mucus and just felt horrible. Emailed my manager on a daily basis, but stayed home for three days following Christmas.

Yep, Gen X'er.

Conversely, you're a baby boomer, correct?

Nope, Gen Y'er (Nexter, Millenial, or whatever you want to call me).

 

[SacrosanctFiend]

Originally posted by: child of wonder

Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend

Originally posted by: child of wonder

Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend
The kind that prevents our employees from calling out because they don't feel like working. If you are too sick to work, you need to go see a doctor. We also accept a doctor's note for an employee's child, if an employee has to stay home to care for him/her.

We also do a 10-panel drug screen pre-employment with random drug testing weekly. You have a problem with that too?

We take good care of our employees, so we expect them to work hard for us.

If an employer would pay the $25 co-pay I'll happily go to the Dr. every time my kids have a GI viral infection, diarrhea, a fever over 100, or a slew of other conditions that would cause daycare or school to not let them in the door, yet the Dr. could not do a damn thing about since we just need to wait it out.

The tighter an employer tries to squeeze it's employees, the more apt they are to resist that grip by breaking rules. Actual competent managers and companies know that treating your employees like adults and weeding out those that blatantly abuse that trust brings about much happier and productive employees who are actually willing to go the extra mile.

We have a 100% coverage benefits package, with no co-pay except for ER visits, that we encourage the floor workers to sign up for.

Is the package affordable?

How high will premiums rise if all the workers go to the Dr. for every fever, nausea, or sore throat they have? Quite a bit, I'd imagine.

Off the top of my head, it's $14 bi-weekly for a single, $24 bi-weekly for a +1, and $40 bi-weekly for a family.

 

[beer]

Originally posted by: Prince2klbAzn

Originally posted by: beer

Originally posted by: Prince2klbAzn

Originally posted by: beer
So, I reread this thread. It sounds like your work in IB on wall street (so, the clues are pretty obvious, but its 1030 and I didn't bother to read).

I don't know, this is why IB has always scared me - it's just work that exists that attracts the worst traits in people as soon as a boom goes south. I guess I read this and thought you were an IT analyst (since it is AT) and not a financial analyst. It sucks, though....but it shouldn't have been unexpected, AFAIK everyone I know from college whose working in IB now have been sitting on their thumbs since September or so.

EDIT: looks like i was right...le sigh

Not a financial or IT analyst =P Analyst is just a general title for anyone who starts out... be it in HR, IT, Banking, S&T or Private Wealth. I'm a 'generalist' in the Private Wealth division. They were supposedly grooming us to eventually become relationship managers or investment advisers for UHNW (ultra-high net worth) clients.

I mean I work in tech, so I can't relate, because as an industry we're not struggling to the point of layoffs now. Yea, my options are underwater significantly, so I'm not putting a down payment on a 2br $1.2mil condo anytime soon, but I'm still employed.

I mean, IB sucks, On the other hand, you probably worked in IB over other somewhat less financially lucrative fields for no other reason that the astronomical wealth being dangled in front of you in the near future. (why else would you work in IB if not for the wealth, then?) So, greed didn't work out in your favor. Find a new job off wall street, study for your GMAT, get into a MBA program that won't lock you to finance/IB and all the associated worst parts of mankind and take it as a lesson? *shrug*

Banking as a whole sucks now. Maybe move to Bain or something? Salary sucks though...

Yeah... the whole industry (except for GS) is really rough right now. My roommate works for a financial consulting company and they are rolling in the dough right now providing cost cutting advice haha. Hmm, if I work for Bain... would I have to vote for Mitt?

No, but you'd take a 40% pay cut. Last time I checked they were at $65k west coast for non-MBA consultant; BCG is even less.

Welcome back to the real world.

 

[Soundmanred]

In my state, if you get fired or quit on your own, you get no Unemployment.

 

[SampSon]

On a side note...
OP why are you on ATOT and not looking for a job!?!?!?
BUM!

 

[child of wonder]

Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend

Originally posted by: child of wonder

Is the package affordable?

How high will premiums rise if all the workers go to the Dr. for every fever, nausea, or sore throat they have? Quite a bit, I'd imagine.

Off the top of my head, it's $14 bi-weekly for a single, $24 bi-weekly for a +1, and $40 bi-weekly for a family.

What a stark contrast to mine.

$196 per 2 weeks for family coverage medical, dental, and vision. Then I have a $1,000 deductible and $25 co-pays.

I work for a bank.

 

[Chaotic42]

Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend
The kind that prevents our employees from calling out because they don't feel like working. If you are too sick to work, you need to go see a doctor. We also accept a doctor's note for an employee's child, if an employee has to stay home to care for him/her.

I guess it depends on what you do. If you're sick at my job, they tell you to go home. They don't want sickness spreading throughout the office and making everyone have to be out.

 

[BarneyFife]

Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend

Originally posted by: Jumpem

Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend
:thumbsup: We have a point system at work. You come in 15 minutes late, you get a point. You call in sick but don't have a doctor's note, you get a point. You get 8 points, and you get escorted off the premises.

It's not wise to take a vacation when your department is going through rough times. You know, unless you want to be canned.

You work for a pretty ridiculous place. We get treated very well at my work. If you come in late, no one cares. Go home early, sure. Don't want to come in, just email the boss.

As long as we get 40 hours in between Monday and Sunday.

I work for a Japanese company. We get benefits better than the government, pay much higher than the regional average, and all we have to do is work hard. We run a 24-hour operation, so if someone doesn't show up for a shift, they can't make it up.


(Note: This does not concern the salaried, office employees. We are much more lax with them).

Part of the benefits package of the govt is that you have sick leave that accumulates that you can use without a doctors note. Obviously your benefits aren't better.

 

[Pepsei]

Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend

:thumbsup: We have a point system at work. You come in 15 minutes late, you get a point. You call in sick but don't have a doctor's note, you get a point. You get 8 points, and you get escorted off the premises.

It's not wise to take a vacation when your department is going through rough times. You know, unless you want to be canned.

wow, do you guys use a shit token system too?

that's the joke we used when we were under the former management... it was never that bad... in fact we got better when the CEO retired. and we took the name of another bank that we purchased.

 

[Pepsei]

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats


I don't know what line of work you're in, so I can't speak towards the drug testing, but expecting someone to see a doctor anytime they don't feel well is retarded. Doesn't your company give an allotment of sick days?

no notes needed at my work, BUT your sick days come out of your vacation days.

BUT, we get an extra week of vacation compare to other company.

so it's a trade off.

 

[JEDI]

Originally posted by: Prince2klbAzn
Well the last time I posted was because I was looking for places to live that were a bit cheaper... and I'll have to speed up that apartment search because I was just fired on Friday.

3 of the 9 new analysts (including myself) were let go for 'performance and disciplinary' issues... which is utter BS. They've been laying off people left and right start with the support groups, then some middle management. I didn't think that they would fire any of us since we're so cheap to keep on compared to any higher-up.

What I don't understand is why they didn't just let us go and tell us the truth, that they are cost cutting. Instead, they gave us reasons like 'unprofessional attitude/demeanor when dealing with coworkers/managers' or 'failure to add value'. They also lectured us on our lack of 'dedication and responsibility' to the company when referring to how many days we took off! Ok, so I took off 5 days in 5 months. 4 of those days were at Christmas and the other one was the day after Thanksgiving! Then they listed off individual times when we went home early (at 6pm instead of 8-10pm) and said that we should have put more effort in jobs given the hardship that the division was going through. :|

What really sucks is that they accused of us not 'adding value'. I mean wtf, we were doing exactly what we were told. Yes, a lot of what I do is just being an excel monkey and other BS work. But that is what every damn analyst out there has to do at one point or another. Plus, I was placed in this position... I didn't have a choice to work in a 'revenue-building' group. Those groups need people to develop the products and provide support when they are selling it. Every bit of revenue that a client adviser brings in is because my group is busting their a$$ making sure that can happen.

This just sucks. Less than a year our of college and I've already lost my first job. What the hell could I have done differently?

"'performance and disciplinary' issues"

so they wont have to pay unemployment

 

[SacrosanctFiend]

Originally posted by: BarneyFife

Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend

Originally posted by: Jumpem

Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend
:thumbsup: We have a point system at work. You come in 15 minutes late, you get a point. You call in sick but don't have a doctor's note, you get a point. You get 8 points, and you get escorted off the premises.

It's not wise to take a vacation when your department is going through rough times. You know, unless you want to be canned.

You work for a pretty ridiculous place. We get treated very well at my work. If you come in late, no one cares. Go home early, sure. Don't want to come in, just email the boss.

As long as we get 40 hours in between Monday and Sunday.

I work for a Japanese company. We get benefits better than the government, pay much higher than the regional average, and all we have to do is work hard. We run a 24-hour operation, so if someone doesn't show up for a shift, they can't make it up.


(Note: This does not concern the salaried, office employees. We are much more lax with them).

Part of the benefits package of the govt is that you have sick leave that accumulates that you can use without a doctors note. Obviously your benefits aren't better.

Oh yes, that pesky doctor's note is horrible. Obviously any benefits package not requiring a doctor's note for sick leave would be better. :roll:

 

[Reckoner]

Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend

Originally posted by: BarneyFife

Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend

Originally posted by: Jumpem

Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend
:thumbsup: We have a point system at work. You come in 15 minutes late, you get a point. You call in sick but don't have a doctor's note, you get a point. You get 8 points, and you get escorted off the premises.

It's not wise to take a vacation when your department is going through rough times. You know, unless you want to be canned.

You work for a pretty ridiculous place. We get treated very well at my work. If you come in late, no one cares. Go home early, sure. Don't want to come in, just email the boss.

As long as we get 40 hours in between Monday and Sunday.

I work for a Japanese company. We get benefits better than the government, pay much higher than the regional average, and all we have to do is work hard. We run a 24-hour operation, so if someone doesn't show up for a shift, they can't make it up.


(Note: This does not concern the salaried, office employees. We are much more lax with them).

Part of the benefits package of the govt is that you have sick leave that accumulates that you can use without a doctors note. Obviously your benefits aren't better.

Oh yes, that pesky doctor's note is horrible. Obviously any benefits package not requiring a doctor's note for sick leave would be better. :roll:

It doesn't hurt.

 

[MovingTarget]

Most companies do not care for their employees nowadays, regardless of what they say. In corporate politics, you are always the expendable one compared to the boss/manager. Chances are that the excuses that they found, although they may be your fault, were simply things on paper that didn't affect your actual job performance. They were looking for a reason to fire somebody, and they found it. Enough said. Same thing happened to me about 8 or so months ago. It was a rather painful experience, but I learned from it. Even though said actions don't affect your dedication or value to the company, they can be used as ammunition against you should they need to do any belt-tightening. They will fight tooth an nail to get this ammo so as not to claim it was a layoff due to unemployment insurance. Live, learn, and hope their stock goes in the gutter as soon as humanly possible after you've severed all ties.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Lost my job

Try to remember the last place you had it and see if that helps you find it. That usually works for me when I lose my keys or my wallet.

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend
It's not wise to take a vacation when your department is going through rough times. You know, unless you want to be canned.

Some places will run in a perpetual state of "rough times" as a way of keeping employees motivated.

 

[richardycc]

sounds like you need to learn how to play the office politics game, which something they don't teach you in college.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend

Originally posted by: BarneyFife

Originally posted by: SacrosanctFiend
I work for a Japanese company. We get benefits better than the government, pay much higher than the regional average, and all we have to do is work hard. We run a 24-hour operation, so if someone doesn't show up for a shift, they can't make it up.


(Note: This does not concern the salaried, office employees. We are much more lax with them).

Part of the benefits package of the govt is that you have sick leave that accumulates that you can use without a doctors note. Obviously your benefits aren't better.

Oh yes, that pesky doctor's note is horrible. Obviously any benefits package not requiring a doctor's note for sick leave would be better. :roll:

WTF? I thought you worked for the guvment.

link

 

[imported_Imp]

I hope you leave many many "traces" of yourself before you leave/left. If they fired you cause of "disciplinary" reasons, then chances are you can't use them as a reference anyways. Burn those bridges...

 

[Skunkwourk]

Don't they need documentation of disciplinary action for Unemployment purposes?

 

[beer]

Originally posted by: Imp
I hope you leave many many "traces" of yourself before you leave/left. If they fired you cause of "disciplinary" reasons, then chances are you can't use them as a reference anyways. Burn those bridges...

Bottom line here, I think he has a valid case for wrongful termination. Like it or not, you can't 'fire' someone unless you have systematic documentation proving repeated, willful behavior that merited termination.

You can lay someone off for any reason; this is the idea behind right-to-work and employed-at-will states. But, you can't FIRE someone for any reason and prevent them from getting unemployment benefits.