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gooch

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I have been using qwest DSL for the past few months, and have been relatively pleased with the performance and connection reliability. Now I am moving out of my apartment into my new house. Unfortunately, DSL is not available in the area yet, so I lost my broadband in the transfer.

My new area does have what they call cox@home express. It is a broadband solution via cable modem, but it isn't a full implementation. It has cable modem _download_ speed, but for upload, it ties up a phone line. I don't know when DSL will be available in the area and it will be a few months until a full implementation of cable is available as well.

Should I go ahead with cox@home express? Or wait to see about DSL? I am also wondering if the express will work with my DSL/Cable router...

- gooch
 
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Wedesdo

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DON'T GO WITH THE EXPRESS IDEA!!!

It sucks, royally! Pings will be VERY, VERY bad, and the slow upload speed can cause much trouble!

Wait a few months and see...
 
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mztykal

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Hahah!

Dial-up baby! :)

Just not AOL. It sucks just as much as the express cable. :(
 
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Presence

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How does cox@home tie up the phone line when uploading? I would go with it, anything is better than dial up eeeck. comcast@home only offers 128k upload but I could care less seeing that Im d/l stuff around 300k a sec.
 
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id do anything but use dial up..if youre use to dsl dial up will absolutely kill you...

I'd use the @home until dsl or another solution is available.

laters
 
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Siva

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Comcast pisses me off, it used to be about 800kbps up now its only 128. I'm spoiled :p
 
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Viper GTS

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How does cox@home tie up the phone line when uploading?

It's probably much like the first generation satellite systems, you dial up to a (third party?) ISP for your upload, & use the cable for download.

Viper GTS
 
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bozo1

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I have a friend who had the one-way cable thing (AT&T) for about a year until he they updated his area to 2-way. If you choice is that or dial-up, I definitely would do it. Downloads are almost as fast as regular broadband, it's just stuff going out that is slower. If you are mostly doing incoming stuff, which most of us are, you'll enjoy the broadband speed.

 
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bozo1

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<< It's probably much like the first generation satellite systems, you dial up to a (third party?) ISP for your upload, &amp; use the cable for download. >>



When you initiate the connection, the cable device has a modem in it. It dials an ISP that the cable company has partnered with. You are not really dealing with a separate ISP like satellite was. Once everything is connected, outgoing stuff goes via modem, incoming comes via cable. It's actually almost as fast as 2-way unless you are uploading a file or sending a large email attachment, etc.
 
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gooch

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I'm leaning towards getting the express solution. When full 2-way is available, cox automatically upgrades you and charges you an extra $10 a month. The express solution is $19.95, and leasing the modem is $15.00. I wonder if I should just buy the modem flat out for 200.00. I will most likely keep this solution longer than 13 months, so buying the modem would be more economical.

Since the modem itself does the dial-up to the ISP, it sounds like I should be able to use my DSL/Cable router to pipe the download speed to the rest of the house. I have to take advantage of my CAT5 prewire!
 
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bozo1

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When you move to 2-way, you will need a new cable modem. I guess the question is how soon will 2-way be there and is it worth it to buy instead of lease.

I don't you'd be able to use your DSL/Cable router with this setup. It's a very strange hybrid sort of beast but I bet the manufacturer's support website has information on how/if you can do it.
 
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gooch

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Hmm... When I talked to them the other day, they stated that the modem didn't have to be upgraded when 2-way was enabled. I will have to call them up and double check on that.
 
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Mday

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we do download much more than we upload.

how much is the service? 'cause if it's not much more expensive than dialup, it's a good solution. else, it's too much. cost aside, it's still better than dialup
 
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gooch

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Well, I went ahead and jumped in.

I got the cox@home express, and purchased the modem. The modem they provide is capable of 2-way when it is implemented in my area. $19.95 a month, but for the first 3 months, I get 5 dollars off since I purchased the modem. Installation fee of $49.95. Now I just have to wait 2 weeks.... :p

Sux though, I purchased the DSL modem when I got DSL 3 months ago. Anybody need a Cisco 678 (I think that is what it is).
 
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Rendus

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Heh. I do tech support for Cox@Home.

Express isn't TOO bad (get a dedicated phone line though). It can be a bit quirky.

A few warnings:

The modem will be bound to the MAC address of your NIC, and we'll charge you $50 to change it (we can't do it over the phone for whatever reason).

Only one IP address. It'll start 24.56.?.?

You often have to manually force a DHCP lease drop/renew.

@Home Express is the Bastard Son of @Home. @Home themselves know nothing about it, so if there are issues with DHCP or anything, we have to issue Trouble Calls to resolve it. Sending a field tech is mostly a technicality.

You still get the 7 @Home.com email addresses, and we support Win95/98/ME/NT4 WS/2000 Professional/MacOS 8.6 I think to 9.1, although it'll work fine in anything else, just run a DHCP client. If you need multiple computer access, you'll probably want to go with a Linux NAT box.

Speaking of support, we're 24/7, and our average queue (hold) time is ~4 seconds most days, if any at all.

The cable modem you're buying is a GI/Motorola Surfboard 3100 with a dialup module. Just a standard DOCSIS modem outside our network if it's reset on a bidirectional network.

If you call us and ask &quot;When will the full service be available&quot;, I will personally hurt you. :)

I'm guessing you've moved to Scottsdale, Mesa, or Peoria, AZ.

You may also want to look at the Sprint wireless stuff in the Phoenix area. http://www.sprintbroadband.com/
 
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monto

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since when does viewing pr0n require uploading...err, slip of the fingers
 
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brtspears2

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I had a friend call has cox@home cable connection smallCOx@home a few times due to lack of speed
 
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Elledan

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The modem will be bound to the MAC address of your NIC, and we'll charge you $50 to change it >>

I thought that most cable modems could be reset (pulling the powercord) to 'refresh' the MAC address? At least that's how it works for all cable modems I've seen or used :)
 
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Rendus

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The modem will be bound to the MAC address of your NIC, and we'll charge you $50 to change it >>

I thought that most cable modems could be reset (pulling the powercord) to 'refresh' the MAC address? At least that's how it works for all cable modems I've seen or used :) >>



Hell, most modems don't even care about the MACs bound to it. For some reason, Cox set these up this way. No idea why.
 
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