Lost my beer vending job for not selling to a preggo.

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alkemyst

No Lifer
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<---Ok from a real physician,
No physician would recommend that it would be smart for a pregnant woman to drink any alcohol for the entire length of her pregnancy. Some studies have looked at one to two drinks per week in the 3rd trimester and stated that no adverse effect was noted during the period of the study, but the study went right out and stated that the safest course would be to abstain from alcohol entirely because they could not obtain data for a long enough period and with enough patients to be certain that there would be no effect at all.

No physician would really recommend anyone drink outside that 2 red wine glass deal.

IMHO the mother should decide what's right. Should her child be born damaged due to her negligence than that's a crime.

Our drinking laws are so ass-backwards, you are guilty at the first sip in most people's eyes.
 

JS80

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Oct 24, 2005
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How many children do you have? What did your wife's OB say about having a glass of wine during the 3rd trimester?

Look at the morality police here. I'm actually a little surprised that most of them are liberals.

I'm not.
 

prism

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You seem to be one of the angrier people in this thread. Bad hair day?

Yes, Gag is apparently pretty damn angry by the way he's telling people they don't deserve to live. I remember going through this angsty period too-when I was 13.

It makes no sense to me how all of these angry teens and disgruntled old hippies are giving you so much hell for "forcing your morals upon others," yet I'm certain if any one of them saw a mother giving her infant so much as a sip of beer they'd be in an absolute tissy. Nice double-standard.

In addition, even if they don't agree with your moral viewpoint, I don't see how (based on your account of the events) you handled this badly at all. You told the woman you didn't feel right serving alcohol to pregnant women. She was free to go get it from someone who did, and you didn't give her a lecture about how she should be living her life.

What the troglodytes in this thread need to realize is that YOU DID NOT PREVENT A WOMAN FROM CHOOSING HOW TO TREAT HER BODY OR HER UNBORN CHILD, YOU MERELY DIDN'T CONTRIBUTE TO HER CHOICES.
 

Krynj

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Man law number one: Never assume a lady is pregnant. She could just be fat.

However, I think you did a good thing. I don't think I would have said anything, simply because 99&#37; of the time, it's better to just keep your mouth shut and move on, but still. If this pregnant broad is gonna go out in public and suck down a couple cold ones, chances are she's doing a lot worse at home behind closed doors. You could have just sold and walked away, giving her the benefit of the doubt, but you decided to take a stance (the right one). But still, fuck that worthless trash for costing you your job.

I wonder how far a wrongful termination case would go with this. It's not illegal to drink when you're pregnant, but still, nobody in their right mind would endorse it. But then you can't prove that she did drink it, so, fuck it. Just move on I guess.

Shitty situation. Sorry dude. That's what you get for having morals these days.
 

JD50

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Sep 4, 2005
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Yes, Gag is apparently pretty damn angry by the way he's telling people they don't deserve to live. I remember going through this angsty period too-when I was 13.

It makes no sense to me how all of these angry teens and disgruntled old hippies are giving you so much hell for "forcing your morals upon others," yet I'm certain if any one of them saw a mother giving her infant so much as a sip of beer they'd be in an absolute tissy. Nice double-standard.

In addition, even if they don't agree with your moral viewpoint, I don't see how (based on your account of the events) you handled this badly at all. You told the woman you didn't feel right serving alcohol to pregnant women. She was free to go get it from someone who did, and you didn't give her a lecture about how she should be living her life.

What the troglodytes in this thread need to realize is that YOU DID NOT PREVENT A WOMAN FROM CHOOSING HOW TO TREAT HER BODY OR HER UNBORN CHILD, YOU MERELY DIDN'T CONTRIBUTE TO HER CHOICES.

Not a double standard at all, it's just called not being a moron. Using your logic, if you're pro choice then you should have no problem at all with a mother murdering her 1 month old child.

:rolleyes:
 

JD50

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Man law number one: Never assume a lady is pregnant. She could just be fat.

However, I think you did a good thing. I don't think I would have said anything, simply because 99% of the time, it's better to just keep your mouth shut and move on, but still. If this pregnant broad is gonna go out in public and suck down a couple cold ones, chances are she's doing a lot worse at home behind closed doors. You could have just sold and walked away, giving her the benefit of the doubt, but you decided to take a stance (the right one). But still, fuck that worthless trash for costing you your job.

I wonder how far a wrongful termination case would go with this. It's not illegal to drink when you're pregnant, but still, nobody in their right mind would endorse it. But then you can't prove that she did drink it, so, fuck it. Just move on I guess.

Shitty situation. Sorry dude. That's what you get for having morals these days.

Just out of curiosity, how man kids do you have?
 

schneiderguy

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Jun 26, 2006
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The OP had every right to refuse service to the lady.

It's not "forcing your morals" on her. If he doesn't want to sell to her he doesn't have to and shouldn't have to.
 

sleep

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i could careless about the pregnant woman. i would give her what she wanted and go on with my job.
 

her209

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Imagine if a pharmacist had to dispense Morning After pills to a customer when its against the pharmacist's pro-life beliefs.
 

lykaon78

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OP: Why haven't I seen this on the Cincinnati news stations yet? In this slow news town they'd eat that stuff up (fellow Cincinnatian here).

I appreciate the stand you took. I'm sorry you had to pay with your job.
 

Lanyap

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Dec 23, 2000
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Thanks for the replies and support everyone, I appreciate.

The beer vendors are part of a union, I wonder if I have a case to get my job back especially since Cincinnati Sportservice states that you can refuse service to anyone, anytime, for any reason?


I think you have a case. I would talk to the union first then maybe the company to confirm their policy on this issue. Your boss was being a dick. I think you'll get your job back.

Don't go to the media.
 

Rifter

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OP: Why haven't I seen this on the Cincinnati news stations yet? In this slow news town they'd eat that stuff up (fellow Cincinnatian here).

I appreciate the stand you took. I'm sorry you had to pay with your job.

100% this, how could you not go to the news about this? your employer is an idiot.

You did the right thing.
 

WelshBloke

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100% this, how could you not go to the news about this? your employer is an idiot.

You did the right thing.


How did he do the right thing?

He lost his job and the lady still got her beer, seems to me he failed on a few counts there.

He was supposed to be selling beer not giving out unwanted health advice.
 

Murloc

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I agree that pregnant women shouldn't drink, but you didn't have any legal right to do that.
You should treat all legal customers equally.

In your case, you were right, but if what you did was accepted, then a doctor could refuse to cure someone because of religious reasons. That would be stupid.

Legislators should create these laws. Vote for people who support your ideas, or get elected.
If no one else is willing to do that, you have to accept it. It's a dictatorship of the majority.
 

alkemyst

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Feb 13, 2001
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The OP had every right to refuse service to the lady.

It's not "forcing your morals" on her. If he doesn't want to sell to her he doesn't have to and shouldn't have to.

So next time you are in WalMart and the register girl decides to tell you to step out of line, you are just going to cheerily head back 10 deep in the next lane?
 

TXHokie

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You just gotta ask if that was worth losing the job over it. Can't regulate people's dumb personal decision.
 

Elganja

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I'm really amazed that some people think it's okay to drink while you are pregnant. To ME, any chance of harming the baby fetus, no matter the &#37;, would be reason not to drink... Why chance it? I mean it's what 9 months? Can't abstain from alcohol for that long? Maybe you have other issues...

as to the OP, I applaud you, and it sucks you lost your job. At least you can sleep with a clear conscious
 
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gorcorps

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I believe he's no longer employed there because of the scene that was made in front of his supervisor, who lacked the balls to back him up.

I suppose, but I still don't think it's the employee's right to refuse service to people. That's something that the MANAGER has authority for but generally employees don't get to make those calls.
 

alkemyst

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So, I am assuming the op must dedicate alot of time to this cause, surely he couldn't have just playing with his power over serving someone perhaps a little demanding or unruly.
 

sourceninja

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I'm really amazed that some people think it's okay to drink while you are pregnant. To ME, any chance of harming the baby fetus, no matter the %, would be reason not to drink... Why chance it? I mean it's what 9 months? Can't abstain from alcohol for that long? Maybe you have other issues...

as to the OP, I applaud you, and it sucks you lost your job. At least you can sleep with a clear conscious

Hopefully they are at least all pro-abortion.
 

Miramonti

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So, I am assuming the op must dedicate alot of time to this cause, surely he couldn't have just playing with his power over serving someone perhaps a little demanding or unruly.

Someone refuses to compromise something they believe in and yet there's always a corner heckler saying he did it for selfish reasons and not for the recipient.

Well ain't that special!

Of course there is some selfishness in it...it's for his conscience, not hers...but does that cheapen it?

I think he did a good thing. There literally is no good reason imo why pregnant women should legally be allowed to purchase alcohol in the first place, especially at entertainment venues like this one.
 

alkemyst

No Lifer
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Someone refuses to compromise something they believe in and yet there's always a corner heckler saying he did it for selfish reasons and not for the recipient.

Well ain't that special!

Of course there is some selfishness in it...it's for his conscience, not hers...but does that cheapen it?

I think he did a good thing. There literally is no good reason imo why pregnant women should legally be allowed to purchase alcohol in the first place, especially at entertainment venues like this one.

Not at all, the problem is too many are passionate about something when it's convenient, gets them special attention, or allows them to flex power on someone.