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Lost my beer vending job for not selling to a preggo.

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1 person asked for 2 beers, ya say?
LOOKY HERE: Vendors/Hawkers - You must be 21 to purchase all alcohol products. Sportservice IDs everyone 30 years and younger. Sales are limited to one alcoholic beverage per person with valid ID. No alcohol sales after the end of the eighth inning or 3 hours after scheduled start of game. All alcohol must remain in the ballpark: "It's the Law." Sportservice reserves the right to refuse service to anyone.

Taken from here: http://mlb.mlb.com/cin/ballpark/information/index.jsp?content=guide

Seems you acted accordingly, regardless of what you said. 1 beverage per person...right to refuse service to anyone. Wonder what the MLB would say about this?
 
Wanescotting said:
1 person asked for 2 beers, ya say?
LOOKY HERE: Vendors/Hawkers - You must be 21 to purchase all alcohol products. Sportservice IDs everyone 30 years and younger. Sales are limited to one alcoholic beverage per person with valid ID. No alcohol sales after the end of the eighth inning or 3 hours after scheduled start of game. All alcohol must remain in the ballpark: "It's the Law." Sportservice reserves the right to refuse service to anyone.

Taken from here: http://mlb.mlb.com/cin/ballpark/information/index.jsp?content=guide

Seems you acted accordingly, regardless of what you said. 1 beverage per person...right to refuse service to anyone. Wonder what the MLB would say about this?
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You got it, that's the company's name.

After you've been there awhile you learn some tricks around the 1 beer per ID rule. I'll give one to another 21+ companion of theirs, especially if they're not drinking. Then if they give it back to the original purchaser when I turn my back...hey whatever works. I obviously always would be sure to not sell to someone piss drunk though, that rule was always in place.

So I would've moved on to finding a way perhaps to get her 2 if she wanted it, if I hadn't noticed she was pregnant.
 
MagnusTheBrewer said:
No, he was arguing my form of argument while I was arguing ideas. So, do YOU believe the OP's free will should negate the pregnant woman's free will?
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Free will? She should have used her free will to seek out a vendor with lower moral standards. I gotta disagree with ya here, Magnus 😉
 
You should take this to the newspaper. It would make for great sensationalist headlines: "Cincinnati Reds endorses selling of beer to pregnant women"
 
MagnusTheBrewer said:
So, you believe in the OP's right to free will but not the pregnant woman's?
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She can have all the free will in the world if she wants. The OP is the one with the beer and therefore the one with the choice to sell it or not. If she doesn't like that, she can go buy it from someone else.
 
To me it's the same as a bartender being on the hook for giving a patron one two many beers (if some dude kills someone after downing a bunch at his bar, OP would be on the hook); in this case one is one too many. If he gave her the beer and she had a deformed baby, she would probably sue on those grounds. OP can't win, but as far as I'm concerned he did the right thing.

KT
 
GoodRevrnd said:
Refusing to serve alcohol to a pregnant women is really no different than no shoes, no shirt no service. Except in the OP's case he really didn't have that right since his employer ended up disagreeing with him ad he paid the price. But what if it was the OP's own bar. Would all you assholes really still be in his face about refusing service? It's completely his call to make.
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KeithTalent said:
To me it's the same as a bartender being on the hook for giving a patron one two many beers (if some dude kills someone after downing a bunch at his bar, OP would be on the hook); in this case one is one too many. If he gave her the beer and she had a deformed baby, she would probably sue on those grounds. OP can't win, but as far as I'm concerned he did the right thing.

KT
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I think there would be a lot of murky legal ground since in the first instance the legal argument would be that the patron as intoxicated and not able to make an informed decision on how much to drink and it was the bar tender's duty to protect the patron. But the woman would not be able to argue such a case since she is making the decision while being sober
 
Mo0o said:
I think there would be a lot of murky legal ground since in the first instance the legal argument would be that the patron as intoxicated and not able to make an informed decision on how much to drink and it was the bar tender's duty to protect the patron. But the woman would not be able to argue such a case since she is making the decision while being sober
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he or she that is vending the alcohol gets to make the decision. They are held accountable in the end.
 
RocksteadyDotNet said:
Um, it's not his business so no, he doesn't have the right to refuse to render services.

You think he has the right to refuse to sell to black people?
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That argument does not make sense. Several court cases have upheld the rights of service personnel to refuse to render services on the grounds of personnel moral, religious or ethical convictions. Most notably Pharmacist with regard to "Plan B". He is not preventing her from going to another vendor. She has her rights and he has his, it is a equal relationship. Last time I looked the vendors at ball games were not chained slaves.
 
1. I don't think you should have lost your job. I think your boss overreacted.
2. I don't like the fact that a pregnant woman has the right to potentially hurt her unborn child. I see little difference between that and abusing your child after they are born. FAS FTL.
3. While you have the right to make your stand, your boss also has the right to fire you over it if he wants. We may not agree with it but he does have the right to.
4. In the end if you want to keep a job it's up to your employer to refuse service not you unless it's against the law.
 
Mo0o said:
Not enabling someone's free will is not the same thing as denying it. For example, a lot of OB-GYNs are pro-choice but choose not to offer abortions as part of their practice.
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Which is hypocritical. I have no problem being a hypocrite myself, I would just like others to admit it as well.
 
MagnusTheBrewer said:
You don't find that hypocritical?
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lol. The two aren't the same at all. A woman having an abortion is killing a fetus that is legally not considered a human life. A woman drinking excessive alcohol while willfully pregnant is not only doing something which can negatively affect herself, but what can affect her future child as well. This isn't like abortion where Joe Fundie says "But there's the potential of a child!" If it is going to be aborted, there is no potential. If a woman plans on birthing the child after nine months of significant alcohol consumption, it will come out mentally defective. Forbidding the sale of alcohol to women is no different than forbidding incestuous pregnancies, or the taking of Accutane.
 
thebomb said:
She can have all the free will in the world if she wants. The OP is the one with the beer and therefore the one with the choice to sell it or not. If she doesn't like that, she can go buy it from someone else.
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Actually it's his boss's beer. Not his. Seems you and he forgot that. If he wants to keep the job, it's up to his boss to refuse service not him.
 
1. It's not your place to tell her what she can or can't buy based on her (perceived) condition
2. You deserve to be reprimanded, but not fired
3. If I were you I'd most likely do the same thing
 
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