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Crono said:
I'm not saying he's Desmond only right now.

I'm saying he has always been Desmond. Future/altreality Desmond. Desmond is this being who was "locked" to the Island, the one forbidden to leave.
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I'm trying to wrap my head around how that would work, based on everything Desmond has done in the show. I mean, he already left the Island (and started off of the Island) so how does that flow correctly? Unless all of the Desmond off Island portions were in an alt reality.
 
If Des was smokey, wouldn't he have just quit entering the numbers on the terminal and let the island explode / do it's thing? or is that what he eventually did on purpose? i can't remember how that unfolded, it was too many seasons ago.
 
meltdown75 said:
If Des was smokey, wouldn't he have just quit entering the numbers on the terminal and let the island explode / do it's thing? or is that what he eventually did on purpose? i can't remember how that unfolded, it was too many seasons ago.
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It was not on purpose.
 
Drekce said:
I'm trying to wrap my head around how that would work, based on everything Desmond has done in the show. I mean, he already left the Island (and started off of the Island) so how does that flow correctly? Unless all of the Desmond off Island portions were in an alt reality.
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Sometime in the future Desmond triggers an event that sends him back into the past. This event - whatever it is, probably something to do with how he was "unhinged" from time in the first place, the key (literally, button) "trigger" which was supposed to prevent the end of the world (in context, it would be him becoming unhinged from constraints of time/space and the escalation of events up to him becoming smokie and eventually getting off the island and turning everything to utter and true chaos) - would set him up as the chosen (he was already chosen, or is, or is being, damn my head hurts) guardian of the island with two possible paths.[holy run-on sentence, Batman!]

Now what I am wondering is whether the "magic box" (which is supposedly a metaphor, a McGuffin that creator JJ Abrams so loves) or heart of the Island is the eternal thing causing the event, or whether it was created as a function of the Island by someone else. Pretty much impossible to say.

At any rate, judging by Daniel FaraMore's equations, pretty much the "magic" of the Island/entity/entities is all tangled (like strings? 😱) with quantum theory. The mythology is all present there, but the pseudo/theoretical science is going to be near the top in terms of the explanation of what makes the Island tick. Time travel is a byproduct of this, and humans can wield some level of it, giving rise to all the other mystical mumbo-jumbo and EM observed by the Dharma initiative way back when. I.e. magic is really just the science we can't explain yet.

I had too much caffeine and not enough sleep, so this is where I leave off my random nonsense and theories that probably fail hard. Lol. 😀

And yes, everything is very chicken and egg. Time travel alone makes my head hurt, and I know very little of even layman's theoretical physics, which might prove useful in some respect in understanding some of this stuff.
 
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Crono said:
I'm not saying he's Desmond only right now.

I'm saying he has always been Desmond. Future/altreality Desmond. Desmond is this being who was "locked" to the Island, the one forbidden to leave.
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Why do you say that, or are you just throwing it out there, because it really doesn't make any sense
 
Kev said:
Why do you say that, or are you just throwing it out there, because it really doesn't make any sense
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It makes a lot of sense. I'll compile a list of my reasons later (I really need some sleeep), but for now I'll give just one: the button and time (is that 2? argh).
 
I am also 42% sure that Kwon(Jin/Sun) is the candidate... that is because it's always been 42... 42 is always the answer! And Kwon is #42. 😛
 
I don't think MiB = Desmond.

I understand your logic, but I would think MiB would retain the ability to move through space and time the way we've seen Desmond do it. And if Jacob or his candidates or "The Island" was preventing MiB from traveling this way, I would expect Desmond (as we know him) would also be prevented, which isn't the case.
 
darkxshade said:
I am also 42% sure that Kwon(Jin/Sun) is the candidate... that is because it's always been 42... 42 is always the answer! And Kwon is #42. 😛
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I know you are just being sarcastic here, but you made me think of something related to JinSun. Sun's maiden name is Peck (or something like that), so because she wasn't born a Kwon it makes me think the candidate is Jin. Plus, the fact that Jin is now with Widmore's group makes it even more likely.
 
Drekce said:
I know you are just being sarcastic here, but you made me think of something related to JinSun. Sun's maiden name is Peck (or something like that), so because she wasn't born a Kwon it makes me think the candidate is Jin. Plus, the fact that Jin is now with Widmore's group makes it even more likely.
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Maybe. But the wall shows some other iffy surnames of other characters, too. Locke is John's mother's name, not his father's. Kate's mother and biological father were Janssens, not Austens. Neither of Daniel Faraday's parents have that last name.

These might be their legal/birth names, however. You're right that Sun was born a Peck. I guess it's a question of timing -- were the names written before or after the marriage, and with knowledge that Sun was or would become a Kwon?

The candidate could also be their daughter.
 
Crono said:
It makes a lot of sense. I'll compile a list of my reasons later (I really need some sleeep), but for now I'll give just one: the button and time (is that 2? argh).
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How are those reasons? You basically just mentioned 2 things but didn't relate why they would be a reason.

How could desmond be the smoke when he was stuck in the hatch, while the smoke was terrorizing everyone in season 1? And why would desmond be injecting himself with drugs if he knows they're not necessary.
 
Kev said:
How are those reasons? You basically just mentioned 2 things but didn't relate why they would be a reason.

How could desmond be the smoke when he was stuck in the hatch, while the smoke was terrorizing everyone in season 1? And why would desmond be injecting himself with drugs if he knows they're not necessary.
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I think you misunderstand his explanation. In his scenario, there would be two Desmonds in the same time: The unwitting one we've seen throughout the series, and the future Desmond sent to the past to become MiB. The "present" Desmond has no future knowledge, or realizes that the smoke monster is, in fact, himself.

I don't agree with this theory, but not for the reasons you stated.

Also, I think it's safe to presume that some character is going to be sent to the past again, to explain the two bodies in the caves. It's not entirely out of the question that one of the flight 815 characters could become the MiB.
 
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techs said:
FYI the writers said that they left out the roar when switching to the flash sideways to indicate it was different than a flashbackwards.
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Yeah, I looked at a different episode from this season. It's not quite a jet roar, but there is a mechanical-ish type noise when the time line switches.
 
what if Desmond did die in that EMF generator and "something" (MIB?) took over his body? That might explain why he was so willing to help Widmore (to actually try to stop him) or why he was so willing to go with Sayid. That part really confuses me. If he was so willing to help Widmore save the world, why would he go with Sayid, who attacked Widmore's people? And he just had this kind of brainwashed look on his face too that I don't quite get.

Probably completely wrong but just something I tohught of after reading some of these posts.
 
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that's a plausible theory... and a scary one... i thought MIB was stuck in Locke's body now though, but I could be wrong.
 
pontifex said:
what if Desmond did die in that EMF generator and "something" (MIB?) took over his body? That might explain why he was so willing to help Widmore (to actually try to stop him) or why he was so willing to go with Sayid.
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Ohh, me likey !! Good theory !!!!
 
If MIB's goal is to get off the island, and Desmond was indeed off the island, doesn't that rule at Desmond being MIB? As for Jacob, if he could take over people's bodies, why would he be looking for a replacement?
 
dwell said:
If MIB's goal is to get off the island, and Desmond was indeed off the island, doesn't that rule at Desmond being MIB? As for Jacob, if he could take over people's bodies, why would he be looking for a replacement?
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The MIB just couldn't take over any body he needed to find a "loophole". The still haven't explained what this loophole is/was. Maybe Jacob found a loophole as well and is now taking on the form of Desmond??
 
TangoJuliet said:
The MIB just couldn't take over any body he needed to find a "loophole". The still haven't explained what this loophole is/was. Maybe Jacob found a loophole as well and is now taking on the form of Desmond??
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I thought the loophole was in reference to finding a way to kill Jacob. Jacob and the MIB cannot kill each other personally, but can manipulate others to do the same thing.
MIB was able to use another body to manipulate someone into killing Jacob for him. I think the loophole was simply getting someone else. They can't kill each other, but the loophole is that others can kill for them.
 
TangoJuliet said:
The MIB just couldn't take over any body he needed to find a "loophole". The still haven't explained what this loophole is/was. Maybe Jacob found a loophole as well and is now taking on the form of Desmond??
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Except nobody in the series has ever been "possessed" like that -- MiB doesn't actually take over someone's body. Locke's corpse remains intact while MiB walks around looking like him. Unless Desmond was completely incinerated or something, I don't buy this.
 
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