LOST 4x03

[lyssword]

Omg this is a bigger WTF than in previous 2 episodes. WTF!!???

 

[allisolm]

Originally posted by: Cattlegod
what were the last words that sayid said???!?!?!?!?!

But they know that I am after them now. (I think that was it.)

 

[homercles337]

Given all the new information from last night, how many episodes do they have to wrap this thing up?

 

[rh71]

Originally posted by: homercles337
Given all the new information from last night, how many episodes do they have to wrap this thing up?

3 years?

 

[jdini76]

According to my calculations, and the information gathered when the 'payload' arrived, roughly 8 years has passed for life off the island.

 

[jdini76]

Originally posted by: DeathBUA
I knew Desmond would get off! So now just one more person and we'll know all the 'Oceanic 6'

Desmond is not part of the Oceanic 6. he wasn't originaly on the plane. Also, we do not know he got off the island for good. He hasn't been in any flash forwards.

 

[dyna]

Originally posted by: jdini76
According to my calculations, and the information gathered when the 'payload' arrived, roughly 8 years has passed for life off the island.

Could you explain your calculations?

 

[jdini76]

Originally posted by: dyna

Originally posted by: jdini76
According to my calculations, and the information gathered when the 'payload' arrived, roughly 8 years has passed for life off the island.

Could you explain your calculations?

I am starting think I have it a little off, but the payload took 30 minutes to land but according to the ship it was 1 minute. so I figure for every minute on the island it is 30 minutes off. correct me if I am wrong in this. therefore if you expand that to 100 days on the island, 100x30 is roughly 8 years. Eitherway there is some kind of time shift.

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: jdini76
According to my calculations, and the information gathered when the 'payload' arrived, roughly 8 years has passed for life off the island.

I wonder. Remember that they were able to speak to boat in real time which would indicate there was no time difference.
My idea is that the clocks indicated the estimated time of arrival not by time of day but by elapsed time. In other words the clock on the island predicted 15 minutes (iirc) for the rocket to reach the physicist and the actual time spent traveling to the island was on the clock inside the rocket and was at 31 or 45 minutes (don't recall).
This would not mean a difference in the rate of time but a difference in the speed of the rocket. Which may indicate a strong electromagnetic or gravitational field around the island which slowed down the rockets speed.
This could also explain what happend to flight 815. When it hit the field it slowed down abruptly which may have stressed the plan or at least slowed it below stall speed which is why it broke apart and crashed.
What do ya think?

 

[stlcardinals]

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: jdini76
According to my calculations, and the information gathered when the 'payload' arrived, roughly 8 years has passed for life off the island.

I wonder. Remember that they were able to speak to boat in real time which would indicate there was no time difference.
My idea is that the clocks indicated the estimated time of arrival not by time of day but by elapsed time. In other words the clock on the island predicted 15 minutes (iirc) for the rocket to reach the physicist and the actual time spent traveling to the island was on the clock inside the rocket and was at 31 or 45 minutes (don't recall).
This would not mean a difference in the rate of time but a difference in the speed of the rocket. Which may indicate a strong electromagnetic or gravitational field around the island which slowed down the rockets speed.
This could also explain what happend to flight 815. When it hit the field it slowed down abruptly which may have stressed the plan or at least slowed it below stall speed which is why it broke apart and crashed.
What do ya think?

We already know that Flight 815 crashed because Desmond did not push the button to discharge the eletromagnetic anomaly. We will have to wait for the whole story on the time difference.

Ben showed Juliet her sister in the park playing with her kid on a tv feed. Juliet said she has been on the island for what, 3 years. The kid looked about the right age.

 

[imported_Imp]

Best episode so far this year. I was concerned when Sayid got "soft" and got hit. Good to know he returned the favour. Wonder what Locke did or will do with the psychic... guess he wasn't that good of one afterall.

 

[jdini76]

Originally posted by: stlcardinals

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: jdini76
According to my calculations, and the information gathered when the 'payload' arrived, roughly 8 years has passed for life off the island.

I wonder. Remember that they were able to speak to boat in real time which would indicate there was no time difference.
My idea is that the clocks indicated the estimated time of arrival not by time of day but by elapsed time. In other words the clock on the island predicted 15 minutes (iirc) for the rocket to reach the physicist and the actual time spent traveling to the island was on the clock inside the rocket and was at 31 or 45 minutes (don't recall).
This would not mean a difference in the rate of time but a difference in the speed of the rocket. Which may indicate a strong electromagnetic or gravitational field around the island which slowed down the rockets speed.
This could also explain what happend to flight 815. When it hit the field it slowed down abruptly which may have stressed the plan or at least slowed it below stall speed which is why it broke apart and crashed.
What do ya think?

We already know that Flight 815 crashed because Desmond did not push the button to discharge the eletromagnetic anomaly. We will have to wait for the whole story on the time difference.

Ben showed Juliet her sister in the park playing with her kid on a tv feed. Juliet said she has been on the island for what, 3 years. The kid looked about the right age.

Juliet was on the island for 1 year at the time she saw her sister.

 

[jdini76]

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: jdini76
According to my calculations, and the information gathered when the 'payload' arrived, roughly 8 years has passed for life off the island.

I wonder. Remember that they were able to speak to boat in real time which would indicate there was no time difference.
My idea is that the clocks indicated the estimated time of arrival not by time of day but by elapsed time. In other words the clock on the island predicted 15 minutes (iirc) for the rocket to reach the physicist and the actual time spent traveling to the island was on the clock inside the rocket and was at 31 or 45 minutes (don't recall).
This would not mean a difference in the rate of time but a difference in the speed of the rocket. Which may indicate a strong electromagnetic or gravitational field around the island which slowed down the rockets speed.
This could also explain what happend to flight 815. When it hit the field it slowed down abruptly which may have stressed the plan or at least slowed it below stall speed which is why it broke apart and crashed.
What do ya think?

I agree my times may be off as we heard the woman count down the distance we really don't know how much time has passed, but it seems that they wanted the viewer to sense the real time of the woman on the other end of the phone. so I guestimated 1 minute. True there might be a magnetic field that would have slowed down the rockets speed, but the rocket landed with such force i have a hard time thinking it was slowed down in any way. Considering that the both helicopters had trouble while entering the island, I agree that an electromagnetic field is surrounding the island, but how is it really affecting the island?

 

[cKGunslinger]

I still think it was stupid to send a rocket to land that close to the helicopter.

What if the trajectory was ~5ft off? There goes the only means of leaving the island!

 

[jdini76]

Originally posted by: jdini76

Originally posted by: stlcardinals

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: jdini76
According to my calculations, and the information gathered when the 'payload' arrived, roughly 8 years has passed for life off the island.

I wonder. Remember that they were able to speak to boat in real time which would indicate there was no time difference.
My idea is that the clocks indicated the estimated time of arrival not by time of day but by elapsed time. In other words the clock on the island predicted 15 minutes (iirc) for the rocket to reach the physicist and the actual time spent traveling to the island was on the clock inside the rocket and was at 31 or 45 minutes (don't recall).
This would not mean a difference in the rate of time but a difference in the speed of the rocket. Which may indicate a strong electromagnetic or gravitational field around the island which slowed down the rockets speed.
This could also explain what happend to flight 815. When it hit the field it slowed down abruptly which may have stressed the plan or at least slowed it below stall speed which is why it broke apart and crashed.
What do ya think?

We already know that Flight 815 crashed because Desmond did not push the button to discharge the eletromagnetic anomaly. We will have to wait for the whole story on the time difference.

Ben showed Juliet her sister in the park playing with her kid on a tv feed. Juliet said she has been on the island for what, 3 years. The kid looked about the right age.

Juliet was on the island for 1 year at the time she saw her sister.

I was wrong. it was 1 year when Ben promised Jacob would cure juliet's sister of cancer and three years when she saw the footage. But we don't know how old the footage is. It could have been 5 years old or her sisters second kid.

 

[Sureshot324]

Originally posted by: jdini76

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: jdini76
According to my calculations, and the information gathered when the 'payload' arrived, roughly 8 years has passed for life off the island.

I wonder. Remember that they were able to speak to boat in real time which would indicate there was no time difference.
My idea is that the clocks indicated the estimated time of arrival not by time of day but by elapsed time. In other words the clock on the island predicted 15 minutes (iirc) for the rocket to reach the physicist and the actual time spent traveling to the island was on the clock inside the rocket and was at 31 or 45 minutes (don't recall).
This would not mean a difference in the rate of time but a difference in the speed of the rocket. Which may indicate a strong electromagnetic or gravitational field around the island which slowed down the rockets speed.
This could also explain what happend to flight 815. When it hit the field it slowed down abruptly which may have stressed the plan or at least slowed it below stall speed which is why it broke apart and crashed.
What do ya think?

I agree my times may be off as we heard the woman count down the distance we really don't know how much time has passed, but it seems that they wanted the viewer to sense the real time of the woman on the other end of the phone. so I guestimated 1 minute. True there might be a magnetic field that would have slowed down the rockets speed, but the rocket landed with such force i have a hard time thinking it was slowed down in any way. Considering that the both helicopters had trouble while entering the island, I agree that an electromagnetic field is surrounding the island, but how is it really affecting the island?

What if the field is a compression of the space/time continuoum? While it's traveling through the outer field, as far as the rocket is concerned it's traveling at full speed, but from the perspective of the outer world or inside the island and field it's moving very slowly. Once it's through the field it's still travelling at full speed.

 

[jdini76]

Originally posted by: Sureshot324

Originally posted by: jdini76

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: jdini76
According to my calculations, and the information gathered when the 'payload' arrived, roughly 8 years has passed for life off the island.

I wonder. Remember that they were able to speak to boat in real time which would indicate there was no time difference.
My idea is that the clocks indicated the estimated time of arrival not by time of day but by elapsed time. In other words the clock on the island predicted 15 minutes (iirc) for the rocket to reach the physicist and the actual time spent traveling to the island was on the clock inside the rocket and was at 31 or 45 minutes (don't recall).
This would not mean a difference in the rate of time but a difference in the speed of the rocket. Which may indicate a strong electromagnetic or gravitational field around the island which slowed down the rockets speed.
This could also explain what happend to flight 815. When it hit the field it slowed down abruptly which may have stressed the plan or at least slowed it below stall speed which is why it broke apart and crashed.
What do ya think?

I agree my times may be off as we heard the woman count down the distance we really don't know how much time has passed, but it seems that they wanted the viewer to sense the real time of the woman on the other end of the phone. so I guestimated 1 minute. True there might be a magnetic field that would have slowed down the rockets speed, but the rocket landed with such force i have a hard time thinking it was slowed down in any way. Considering that the both helicopters had trouble while entering the island, I agree that an electromagnetic field is surrounding the island, but how is it really affecting the island?

What if the field is a compression of the space/time continuoum? While it's traveling through the outer field, as far as the rocket is concerned it's traveling at full speed, but from the perspective of the outer world or inside the island and field it's moving very slowly. Once it's through the field it's still travelling at full speed.

Does that explain why, according to the ship, the rocket reached its destination within 1 minute?

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: jdini76

Originally posted by: Sureshot324

Originally posted by: jdini76

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: jdini76
According to my calculations, and the information gathered when the 'payload' arrived, roughly 8 years has passed for life off the island.

I wonder. Remember that they were able to speak to boat in real time which would indicate there was no time difference.
My idea is that the clocks indicated the estimated time of arrival not by time of day but by elapsed time. In other words the clock on the island predicted 15 minutes (iirc) for the rocket to reach the physicist and the actual time spent traveling to the island was on the clock inside the rocket and was at 31 or 45 minutes (don't recall).
This would not mean a difference in the rate of time but a difference in the speed of the rocket. Which may indicate a strong electromagnetic or gravitational field around the island which slowed down the rockets speed.
This could also explain what happend to flight 815. When it hit the field it slowed down abruptly which may have stressed the plan or at least slowed it below stall speed which is why it broke apart and crashed.
What do ya think?

I agree my times may be off as we heard the woman count down the distance we really don't know how much time has passed, but it seems that they wanted the viewer to sense the real time of the woman on the other end of the phone. so I guestimated 1 minute. True there might be a magnetic field that would have slowed down the rockets speed, but the rocket landed with such force i have a hard time thinking it was slowed down in any way. Considering that the both helicopters had trouble while entering the island, I agree that an electromagnetic field is surrounding the island, but how is it really affecting the island?

What if the field is a compression of the space/time continuoum? While it's traveling through the outer field, as far as the rocket is concerned it's traveling at full speed, but from the perspective of the outer world or inside the island and field it's moving very slowly. Once it's through the field it's still travelling at full speed.

Does that explain why, according to the ship, the rocket reached its destination within 1 minute?

I don't recall them saying according to the ship, the rocket reached its destination within 1 minute. Are you sure?

I would agree that Sureshot324's point is valid. I was reacting to the many people who said that the experiment "proved" time travels at a different rate on the island.

 

[Kaido]

Originally posted by: Imp
Best episode so far this year. I was concerned when Sayid got "soft" and got hit. Good to know he returned the favour. Wonder what Locke did or will do with the psychic... guess he wasn't that good of one afterall.

He's not a psychic, he can just talk to dead people.

 

[MikeyIs4Dcats]

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: jdini76

Originally posted by: Sureshot324

Originally posted by: jdini76

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: jdini76
According to my calculations, and the information gathered when the 'payload' arrived, roughly 8 years has passed for life off the island.

I wonder. Remember that they were able to speak to boat in real time which would indicate there was no time difference.
My idea is that the clocks indicated the estimated time of arrival not by time of day but by elapsed time. In other words the clock on the island predicted 15 minutes (iirc) for the rocket to reach the physicist and the actual time spent traveling to the island was on the clock inside the rocket and was at 31 or 45 minutes (don't recall).
This would not mean a difference in the rate of time but a difference in the speed of the rocket. Which may indicate a strong electromagnetic or gravitational field around the island which slowed down the rockets speed.
This could also explain what happend to flight 815. When it hit the field it slowed down abruptly which may have stressed the plan or at least slowed it below stall speed which is why it broke apart and crashed.
What do ya think?

I agree my times may be off as we heard the woman count down the distance we really don't know how much time has passed, but it seems that they wanted the viewer to sense the real time of the woman on the other end of the phone. so I guestimated 1 minute. True there might be a magnetic field that would have slowed down the rockets speed, but the rocket landed with such force i have a hard time thinking it was slowed down in any way. Considering that the both helicopters had trouble while entering the island, I agree that an electromagnetic field is surrounding the island, but how is it really affecting the island?

What if the field is a compression of the space/time continuoum? While it's traveling through the outer field, as far as the rocket is concerned it's traveling at full speed, but from the perspective of the outer world or inside the island and field it's moving very slowly. Once it's through the field it's still travelling at full speed.

Does that explain why, according to the ship, the rocket reached its destination within 1 minute?

I don't recall them saying according to the ship, the rocket reached its destination within 1 minute. Are you sure?

I would agree that Sureshot324's point is valid. I was reacting to the many people who said that the experiment "proved" time travels at a different rate on the island.

yes, the woman on the ship proclaimed that the payload had reached the target, and he was looking around and did not see it.

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Originally posted by: loki8481
woah. so ben wasn't the one who died.

I don't see why that is impossible. He is off the island in the future. That doesn't mean that he eventually dies. Obviously he is at "war" with some other person or group and Ben is the leader. He could loose the "war" and die.

 

[BrownTown]

Personally I am torn between whether or not I think Ben will die in the end, usually the "evil" characters end up meeting an untimely demise, but in Lost things are not always what they seem and I am till somewhat convinced that Ben is actually doing what he thinks is for the best (all though being a manipulative douche about it). I mean many of the things that Ben has done have actually ended up being for the best, and the "others" actually seem much more trigger happy than the 815 survivors (also didn't beat people up so much, more using mind games).

Also, I just had a good though, I think Ben's "man on their boat" is actually going to end up being Michael, it makes sense that the only way Michael could get back was to be on the boat, and it also makes sense that he might work with Ben if he though that the people on the ship were there to harm the 815 survivors. We all know Ben has operatives off the island, so it wouldn't be hard for one of them to relay a message to Michael that he can help rescue his friends on the island by getting on the boat. And since nobody but the "others" and the 815 survivors would recognize him he would be able to get on the boat as a laborer or something.

 

[Sureshot324]

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: jdini76

Originally posted by: Sureshot324

Originally posted by: jdini76

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: jdini76
According to my calculations, and the information gathered when the 'payload' arrived, roughly 8 years has passed for life off the island.

I wonder. Remember that they were able to speak to boat in real time which would indicate there was no time difference.
My idea is that the clocks indicated the estimated time of arrival not by time of day but by elapsed time. In other words the clock on the island predicted 15 minutes (iirc) for the rocket to reach the physicist and the actual time spent traveling to the island was on the clock inside the rocket and was at 31 or 45 minutes (don't recall).
This would not mean a difference in the rate of time but a difference in the speed of the rocket. Which may indicate a strong electromagnetic or gravitational field around the island which slowed down the rockets speed.
This could also explain what happend to flight 815. When it hit the field it slowed down abruptly which may have stressed the plan or at least slowed it below stall speed which is why it broke apart and crashed.
What do ya think?

I agree my times may be off as we heard the woman count down the distance we really don't know how much time has passed, but it seems that they wanted the viewer to sense the real time of the woman on the other end of the phone. so I guestimated 1 minute. True there might be a magnetic field that would have slowed down the rockets speed, but the rocket landed with such force i have a hard time thinking it was slowed down in any way. Considering that the both helicopters had trouble while entering the island, I agree that an electromagnetic field is surrounding the island, but how is it really affecting the island?

What if the field is a compression of the space/time continuoum? While it's traveling through the outer field, as far as the rocket is concerned it's traveling at full speed, but from the perspective of the outer world or inside the island and field it's moving very slowly. Once it's through the field it's still travelling at full speed.

Does that explain why, according to the ship, the rocket reached its destination within 1 minute?

I don't recall them saying according to the ship, the rocket reached its destination within 1 minute. Are you sure?

I would agree that Sureshot324's point is valid. I was reacting to the many people who said that the experiment "proved" time travels at a different rate on the island.

yes, the woman on the ship proclaimed that the payload had reached the target, and he was looking around and did not see it.

But how did she know? Was there a GPS in the rocket that transmitted it's coordinates to the ship, or was she just basing it on the speed, distance, and time the rocket was in the air?

 

[BrownTown]

Originally posted by: Sureshot324
But how did she know? Was there a GPS in the rocket that transmitted it's coordinates to the ship, or was she just basing it on the speed, distance, and time the rocket was in the air?

I assume the second one, the implication I got was that there was some sort of "temporal distortion" that meant that the island was a little bit back in time from the rest of the world or something like that. Makes no sense of course, but this is Lost and nothing ever does.

 

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004

Originally posted by: loki8481
woah. so ben wasn't the one who died.

I don't see why that is impossible. He is off the island in the future. That doesn't mean that he eventually dies. Obviously he is at "war" with some other person or group and Ben is the leader. He could loose the "war" and die.

i think the person who died was Sawyer.

in this episode he even stated that he did not want to go back because he has absolutely nothing back there for him. it seemed like the person who died had no one there for them.