LOST 3x22 and LOST 3x23

[jdini76]

What was the name of the guy who answered the phone?

 

[Punter]

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For the Polar Bears.. there is speculation that the island is an island off the coast of Antartica.

But.. I guess global warming had to melt all the ice and unfortunately a single polar bear remained

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Polar bears are only on the north pole.

 

[jlbenedict]

Originally posted by: Punter

For the Polar Bears.. there is speculation that the island is an island off the coast of Antartica.

But.. I guess global warming had to melt all the ice and unfortunately a single polar bear remained

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Polar bears are only on the north pole.
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Umm.. the flight was from Austrailia to the the United States. I'm quite sure, without any reasonable doubt that the flight path and/or the island is nowhere near the North Pole.

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: Spiked
Who wants to bet you that Dharma is on the boat trying to find they island again and destroy it?

I mean Ben did say that the people on the boat wanted to kill everything on the island.

Which is exactly what they want you to believe, therefore it cannot possibly be the case.

 

[TheNinja]

I'm torn on the episode. I liked it and hated it at the same time. There was a lot of interesting stuff going on...but also a lot of stuff that just didn't make logical sense. I think the only way to watch Lost is to leave logic at the door, don't try to solve every mystery that pops up, and just enjoy the twists and turns.

by the way, why did they have to kill both women in the hatch and Naomi - All our eye candy is disappearing.

 

[Gunslinger08]

Originally posted by: 13Gigatons
Agreed. It's a gimmick show, once the gimmick is revealed the show comes to a screeching halt, so you need to milk it as long as you can.

Things that don't make sense:

1. Polar Bears on the island
2. The black smoke
3. Dinosaur close to the Beach or was that the Black Smoke (anybody remember season one?)
4. The Hatch
5. The Others don't seem to age.
6. Jacob (Is he a ghost or what)
7. How did Locke's father get to the island ?
8. The numbers (no mention of them recently)
9. The Giant foot
10. The old ship which still has working dynamite on it.

The list could go on and on and that's the annoying part of the show is that they have created so many mysteries they will never be able to answer them all during the last season.

1. They were being researched on the island. That's why they had cages with fish biscuit treats.
2. ?
3. ?
4. What doesn't make sense about the hatch?
5. The island appears to heal those it deems fit (like Locke). Aging is basically disease/injury of the cells. It's just keeping this from happening.
6. ? We were just introduced to him. Give them more than 2 weeks to unfold the mystery.
7. Why does it matter? They probably abducted him from somewhere. We've seen in the past that they were in the "real world" recruiting people for the island. They probably still have people out there.
8. This isn't a key part of the story. They are just a neat way to tie things together.
9. ?
10. This was an old slave ship, The Blackrock, that crashed on the island.

 

[Kev]

Originally posted by: BD2003

Originally posted by: Kev

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: Kev

Originally posted by: BD2003

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: BD2003

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: BD2003
And the show continues to spiral downward into an unexplainable mess. How many more seasons are left?

So far everything that happened that used to be a big deal turned about to be a big tease and shortly forgotten.

They made a big deal over the hatch...then they blew it up.
They made a big deal over the dharma initiative...then it turned out to have really nothing to do with what was going on.
Last season there was the whole online thing, and NONE of it was relevant at all.
Then theres the numbers....wtf happened to that?
Theres a monster going around killing people, and thats never been really explained.
Michael just drove away, and we never heard about them again. Now teenage walt appears out of nowhere.
Just about any of the others that were killed managed to survive somehow. So theres no reason to think anyone that dies is actually going to stay that way.
And for some strange reason, women can't get pregnant, or they'll die, yet rousseau is still alive.
Now we're supposed to just believe they get off the island soon? I seriously, seriously doubt it. Even if we are to believe that, how is kate not in jail?

Theyve managed to set it up so that no matter what happens, they can always just undo it or trivialize it, and we're all supposed to ooh, ahh and omg over it.

You cant have a coherent mystery unless theres actually a point of ending in sight, and if that ending is supposedly 3 seasons away...wtf? It's never been a sci-fi show, and it seems at this point they only way to explain it all is by going to crazyworld.

Then don't watch the show. Also, Rosseau was able to conceive b/c she was pregnant before landing on the island, like Claire. Obviously, you need an easier show to watch that requires no thinking.

Yeah, you're right, it's cause I'm stupid. It takes a lot of thinking to "dive deep into the mystery" when a season later it'll either be forgotten, destroyed or trivialized.

It's one thing to watch a show that is slowly spiralizing into pointlessness. But if you think it somehow makes you more intelligent, or requires thought, then you're the one who's mistaken.

I've been there, done that, and just came away with the notion that it's utterly pointless to try to analyze the bones theyre throwing at us, because its just one red herring after another.

At first we all thought tom was the leader, then came ben, now jacob. It should be obvious by now to "people that think" that anything that seems to have a point now is just going to be written over in the next season.

Whether or not it's good writing is another discussion altogether, but give me a break if you think it has ANYTHING to do with thinking.

Again, don't watch the show.

"At first we all thought tom was the leader, then came ben, now jacob." - It's a story that hasn't finished. You're upset that you don't know all the answers or that someone might not be who they really are like Tom not being the actual leader or ben or possibly jacob. As the story unfolds, we find these things out.

Some of us like to think and analyze what has unfolded so far and possibly what may happen next. You want it simple and all explained in a single episode. Obviously, Lost isn't your cup of tea.

I am sorry to have offended you, O Protector of Lost, but I'm going to call it as I see it. If all you can really say is "Don't watch it", then take your own advice, and don't read or respond to my post.

It was fun to analyze last season, when there was a good amount of mystery, and a lot going on. I used to be that guy too. They took the faith I had that it was actually going somewhere on loan, skipped a few payments thinking I wouldnt notice, and now theyre defaulting IMO.

And I know I'm not the only person who feels this way. I've still got my fingers crossed for next season actually going somewhere, but I can't say I'm really frothing at the mouth over it like I used to be.

At least you have ATOT to come to. Maybe you and the other crybabies can start your own weekly threads.

Why do you take such offense to perfectly honest and thought out criticism of the show? I still watch the show but am also getting frustrated by it. There is no 'DEEP' meaning behind anything. It was fun to watch for the first couple of seasons because they did a great job at dropping in items we could analyze. Now it's just going all over the place and making the majority of what happened before no longer relevant at all.

Keep in mind that criticizing the show is also analyzing the show. Just because you don't agree with it does not mean you should tell people to stfu and stop watching. That's called being an uber fanboi and leads to alcoholism and pill popping.

Because it's the same stupid comments every week. After 23 lost threads I've had it with the same old "WAAAH NOT ENOUGH QUESTIONS ANSWERED" and "WAAAH TOO MANY COMMERCIALS" whining. Every. Fcking. Week.

If these people have nothing to do but complain about the show, why bother watching it? It's mind boggling.

If you have nothing to do but complain about complainers, why bother then? It's even more mind boggling. Go to the official lost messageboard and join in the circle jerk there, I'm sure you'll find all the fawning you can ask for.

Actually I just read these threads to see people's theories and observations, not to listen to retards cry about not having their questions answered. Nice try though.

 

[sash1]

so anyway, the black head doctor dude had said the woman hit the median on the bridge because she saw Jack and that's how the accident happened. well i'm re-watching the episode now, and there is NO median on the bridge.

 

[xospec1alk]

guys, its an effing tv show. theres very little analysis needed.

you either enjoy it or you don't, why does there have to be a point to anything?

 

[jdini76]

Originally posted by: sash1
so anyway, the black head doctor dude had said the woman hit the median on the bridge because she saw Jack and that's how the accident happened. well i'm re-watching the episode now, and there is NO median on the bridge.

I think the median they are talking about is the side median not the center median.

Hey when you get to the end, post the name of the guy who answered the phone.

 

[BD2003]

Actually I just read these threads to see people's theories and observations, not to listen to retards cry about not having their questions answered. Nice try though.

Well then, if you want a theory, OMG...I totally figured it out. Here's my theory:

Lost is a mystery TV show....about a mystery TV show.

The main protagonist, Jack, is actually a TV series writer. He has been writing a TV show about being stranded on an island. He used many of his real life friends as inspiration. At first, he had a coherent series planned and written out, which would last a maximum of 3 seasons. But having had his show picked up by a major corporation, they wanted to milk it for all it was worth. They forced him to continue writing for 6 seasons, each episode laden with randomly dropped clues that would make a behavioral psychologist proud. The bear cage with fish biscuits was clearly an analogue of this.

With such a heavy burden placed upon him, he began to live, eat and breathe this series. Soon enough, he could no longer separate the fantasy of his writing from his real life encounters.

So what we have been watching up until this point is merely "Jack's" creation. But this season finale has began to splice the main reality of the TV show into the fantasy reality of the TV show within the TV show. The "flashforward" is indeed still technically a "flashback."

"Real Jack" has a beard, from being locked into a room day and night, slaving away at writing the series. "Fake Jack" is his idealised, heroic version of himself. But writing the series has become so convoluted and life consuming that he has completely let himself go, and has spiraled into an addiction of drugs. He can no longer separate fantasy from reality, and became so drugged out that he was fired, and the show was cancelled. he is now broke and drives a sh*t car.

Now, stuck in a world of piss, sh*t and drugs, he is futilely attempting to "find the island" again. He is totally convinced that it actually exists. He calls him "real life" friend, Cate, raving about how he "needs to get back." But because she is his estranged ex-wife, who can no longer deal with his psychosis, she told him to just "let it go", and went on her way.

Or there's always the completely sensible theory of:

As long as it makes money, they can always just add a new layer on top of the old, completely trivializing all the analysis because its now useless in the face of the new story mechanic that completely supersedes the previous.

Like...aliens.

 

[jlbenedict]

Originally posted by: BD2003

Actually I just read these threads to see people's theories and observations, not to listen to retards cry about not having their questions answered. Nice try though.

Well then, if you want a theory, OMG...I totally figured it out. Here's my theory:

Lost is a mystery TV show....about a mystery TV show.

The main protagonist, Jack, is actually a TV series writer. He has been writing a TV show about being stranded on an island. He used many of his real life friends as inspiration. At first, he had a coherent series planned and written out, which would last a maximum of 3 seasons. But having had his show picked up by a major corporation, they wanted to milk it for all it was worth. They forced him to continue writing for 6 seasons, each episode laden with randomly dropped clues that would make a behavioral psychologist proud. The bear cage with fish biscuits was clearly an analogue of this.

With such a heavy burden placed upon him, he began to live, eat and breathe this series. Soon enough, he could no longer separate the fantasy of his writing from his real life encounters.

So what we have been watching up until this point is merely "Jack's" creation. But this season finale has began to splice the main reality of the TV show into the fantasy reality of the TV show within the TV show. The "flashforward" is indeed still technically a "flashback."

"Real Jack" has a beard, from being locked into a room day and night, slaving away at writing the series. "Fake Jack" is his idealised, heroic version of himself. But writing the series has become so convoluted and life consuming that he has completely let himself go, and has spiraled into an addiction of drugs. He can no longer separate fantasy from reality, and became so drugged out that he was fired, and the show was cancelled. he is now broke and drives a sh*t car.

Now, stuck in a world of piss, sh*t and drugs, he is futilely attempting to "find the island" again. He is totally convinced that it actually exists. He calls him "real life" friend, Cate, raving about how he "needs to get back." But because she is his estranged ex-wife, who can no longer deal with his psychosis, she told him to just "let it go", and went on her way.

Or there's always the completely sensible theory of:

As long as it makes money, they can always just add a new layer on top of the old, completely trivializing all the analysis because its now useless in the face of the new story mechanic that completely supersedes the previous.

Like...aliens.

Sweet theory :thumbsup:

 

[AmpedSilence]

Originally posted by: BD2003

Actually I just read these threads to see people's theories and observations, not to listen to retards cry about not having their questions answered. Nice try though.

Well then, if you want a theory, OMG...I totally figured it out. Here's my theory:

Lost is a mystery TV show....about a mystery TV show.

The main protagonist, Jack, is actually a TV series writer. He has been writing a TV show about being stranded on an island. He used many of his real life friends as inspiration. At first, he had a coherent series planned and written out, which would last a maximum of 3 seasons. But having had his show picked up by a major corporation, they wanted to milk it for all it was worth. They forced him to continue writing for 6 seasons, each episode laden with randomly dropped clues that would make a behavioral psychologist proud. The bear cage with fish biscuits was clearly an analogue of this.

With such a heavy burden placed upon him, he began to live, eat and breathe this series. Soon enough, he could no longer separate the fantasy of his writing from his real life encounters.

So what we have been watching up until this point is merely "Jack's" creation. But this season finale has began to splice the main reality of the TV show into the fantasy reality of the TV show within the TV show. The "flashforward" is indeed still technically a "flashback."

"Real Jack" has a beard, from being locked into a room day and night, slaving away at writing the series. "Fake Jack" is his idealised, heroic version of himself. But writing the series has become so convoluted and life consuming that he has completely let himself go, and has spiraled into an addiction of drugs. He can no longer separate fantasy from reality, and became so drugged out that he was fired, and the show was cancelled. he is now broke and drives a sh*t car.

Now, stuck in a world of piss, sh*t and drugs, he is futilely attempting to "find the island" again. He is totally convinced that it actually exists. He calls him "real life" friend, Cate, raving about how he "needs to get back." But because she is his estranged ex-wife, who can no longer deal with his psychosis, she told him to just "let it go", and went on her way.

Or there's always the completely sensible theory of:

As long as it makes money, they can always just add a new layer on top of the old, completely trivializing all the analysis because its now useless in the face of the new story mechanic that completely supersedes the previous.

Like...aliens.

I like this theory, I lol'ed :beer:

 

[CalvinHobbs]

Originally posted by: Injury
The issue I have with these "flashbacks" being in the future is that Jack makes the comment "Go upstairs and talk to my dad... if I'm more drunk than him you can fire me!"... If it's the future... Jack's dad is dead.

hmmm me too was thinking about that, if it's the future then how can jack's dad be alive?!!

 

[CalvinHobbs]

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
Going through the thread AFTER I watched the show. To those that were positng half way through Lost. If your goal is to enjoy the episode, why are you posting during the show? Watch the show and enjoy it. Why the hell are you on the internet typing away while trying to relax and enjoy your time with Lost?

hmmm i was thinking the same thing too, if you;re enjoying the show then why you;re here on the net, then i realised they have to watch the commercials as well so guess that's when they post...but then what do i know...

 

[49erinnc]

Completely ripped this info from another site but I thought it was very interesting:

The island on Lost is a panoptic prison

ben is in the coffin

ben= Jeremy BENtham

This was cleverly referenced in tonights episode,
the name on the newspaper clipping that jack was crying over was JEREMY BENTHAM who originated the idea of a panoptic prison...a panopticon
bentham also speaks alot on the theme of "free will" and crime...

The island on Lost is a panoptic prison
note how everything is circular....the hatches, the underwater hatch)

"The Panopticon ("all-seeing") functioned as a round-the-clock surveillance machine. Its design ensured that no prisoner could ever see the 'inspector' who conducted surveillance from the privileged central location within the radial configuration. The prisoner could never know when he was being surveilled -- mental uncertainty that in itself would prove to be a crucial instrument of discipline."

Note how kate was a free woman in the flash forward tonight
clever anagram....the name of the funeral home was "Hoff's/Drawler"
unscrambled "flash forward") yet when she landed on the island she had been
"caught" and aprehended by edward mars....


....and every one of the 'survivors' had at some point commited some crime.

"Panopticon
Jeremy Bentham, a nineteenth century philosopher, devised an ideal penal structure for maximising the visibility of prisoners to their jailers: the pan-opticon (all-seeing device). The jailer at the centre can see all the inmates, but they cannot see each other, nor the jailer. Because each prisoner cannot tell at any moment whether he/she is being observed, they will behave at all times as if they were!

This parallels the Catholic idea of the "eye of God" constantly observing our sins. "

Some interesting photos that go along with all of this:

Pic of a panopticon

Another pic of a panopticon

What Locke saw while in the hatch

Food for thought....

 

[bluestrobe]

I was working last night when it was on. Now ABC's "new" player won't load and is giving me errors in FF an IE. I wish they would just leave it alone.

 

[oldsystem]

Maybe his dad somehow came back to life? There were early theories that the island would bring his dad back to life.

Or maybe when he said go upstairs he was speaking metaphorically. Heaven?

 

[TXHokie]

My theory:
- buggy program during Virtual Vacation a la Total Recall or
- holodeck session gone awry, Jack is actually a starship captain and Kate is the ship doctor/psychiatrist
You heard it here first

 

[blackdogdeek]

hoffs/drawler has an "e".

flash forward has no "e".

the new abc.com player lets you playback in full screen which is nice. the old one only had normal and big sizes, in which big was only slightly larger.

 

[oldsystem]

Originally posted by: CalvinHobbs

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
Going through the thread AFTER I watched the show. To those that were positng half way through Lost. If your goal is to enjoy the episode, why are you posting during the show? Watch the show and enjoy it. Why the hell are you on the internet typing away while trying to relax and enjoy your time with Lost?

hmmm i was thinking the same thing too, if you;re enjoying the show then why you;re here on the net, then i realised they have to watch the commercials as well so guess that's when they post...but then what do i know...

I agree. That seemed silly to me, too when I saw it. A waste of thread space.

Unless you're watching alone? I can understand wanting to talk with people while watching. I was with a group of friends and we talked a lot of things during commercials of course. Not everyone has that.

Then maybe there should be two threads. One for during show talk, and it should be closed when show is over.

That way we can split up the meaningless commercial time banter from the more meaningful retrospects and opinions developed after the show. Makes reading through the whole thread less time consuming.

Alas! it's not for another 9 months that we'll see Desmond bring his bad news to the beach and continue to wonder why Charlie didn't just swim through the window.

 

[CalvinHobbs]

hmmm....9 months...more mysteries and almost no questions answered, the bad thing is they could end the damn thing without ever answering any of the questions, and if the next season is off the island then it won't be the same...oh well...we'll see...well if my wife let's me coz by then i'll be married....

 

[JEDI]

holy.. 40min worth of commercials in the 2hr finale?!

 

[CalvinHobbs]

Originally posted by: JEDI
holy.. 40min worth of commercials in the 2hr finale?!

why people say it's a 2hours finale when it's only 80mins?!!! i.e 1hr 20mins only

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Originally posted by: JEDI
holy.. 40min worth of commercials in the 2hr finale?!

Are we getting the same commerical complaints that we had in the beginning of the season?

It's the SAME amount of commercials you get in 24, Heroes, Prison Break, etc....

Download a Torrent. It's still 43 minutes long. Stop complaining.