LOST 3x13

[flashbacck]

Originally posted by: atomicacid55
Locke's logic is always shaky. Get used to it. He's one of the most dumb and idealistic characters ever in the show...

I dunno if he's idealistic. I think he's emotionally retarded and a little weak minded. Even before we learn of his father, there have been hints. Two scenes that easily come to mind are, in season 1, him banging and screaming on the hatch door because he can't get it open and in season 2, him losing his temper because Ben makes some comment "Oh, do you always do what Jack wants?"

 

[OrByte]

I think Lock blew up the submarine because it represented Ben and 'The Others' disrespect for the island and all the "magic" the island offers everyone.

remember when he was yelling at Ben in the kitchen about his hypocrisy and taking things for granted?

He wanted to teach the others that the island has everything that anyone needs...and he is a prime example of that.

he is definitely getting twisted but his intentions are good...I think...

Someone earlier mentioned that Locke went into the sub...and he was headed to the front controls...then we see him soaking wet. I wonder what he did when he went inside the sub? I think he planted the c4 on the outside of the sub.

GREAT episode, the dialogue between Ben and Locke was fantastic, they really are like minded individuals. I wouldn't mind if Lost was more Locke centered...with a little Sayid for Bad-ass sake.

 

[JEDI]

holy wtf?!

Locke's dad is on the island as a prisoner. (or is he really a prisoner?)

 

[TheNinja]

Hey, at least the last couple episodes have progressed along the story line and not just some random flashbacks that really didn't do anything (lik Desmonds episode).

That being said, if I was Jack I would have beat the crap out of Locke. Jack was finally going to get to go home (plus he was with Juliette - hottie) and Locke screwed him over just b/c he didn't want to leave the island or allow his daddy to come to the island. Unless there is some wierd spin where Locke was saving Jack somehow, this episode, combined with him blowing up the tower, I'm not sure I can be a Locke fan b/c of his selfish attitude.

 

[cKGunslinger]

So what was the deal with the fat, fake-bearded guy when he brought Jack to see Kate? He told Jack to "be careful" and then tapped his ear.

I assume that meant that the room was bugged, but by who? Ben? If so, why would Ben's right-hand man warn Jack about Ben listening in on his conversation with Kate? Is he anti-Ben? Is he working with Jack on something? Am I reading too much into something?

 

[mzkhadir]

Originally posted by: JEDI
holy wtf?!

Locke's dad is on the island as a prisoner. (or is he really a prisoner?)

from what we saw, he is now a prisoner on the island with the person he doesn't want. It was a trick by Ben I think.

 

[imported_Imp]

Good episode. After Locke's dad pushed him out the window, was really hoping that he wouldn't get away (*cough* suffer a horrible horrible death). So all things do work out eventually.

 

[Kaido]

So how do you think Locke's dad got on the island?

 

[mezrah]

Originally posted by: TheNinja
Hey, at least the last couple episodes have progressed along the story line and not just some random flashbacks that really didn't do anything (lik Desmonds episode).

That being said, if I was Jack I would have beat the crap out of Locke. Jack was finally going to get to go home (plus he was with Juliette - hottie) and Locke screwed him over just b/c he didn't want to leave the island or allow his daddy to come to the island. Unless there is some wierd spin where Locke was saving Jack somehow, this episode, combined with him blowing up the tower, I'm not sure I can be a Locke fan b/c of his selfish attitude.

Ben was never going to really let Jack go. He mentioned that when talking with Locke near the end of the show. Something along the lines of, "If I let Jack go, my people won't trust me...but if I kill him, my people will think I break promises". Locke essentially fulfilled everything Ben needed, in that nobody can realistically leave the island (via the sub), including his own people.

 

[cKGunslinger]

I don't really think Jack was going anywhere. I think him and Mr. Fatman (and possibly Juliette) are working together against Ben.

 

[Verse914]

Originally posted by: Kaido
So how do you think Locke's dad got on the island?

Being that this is Lost...we wont find out till next season

This is the first ep. I liked all season. Locke is crazy, but his dad is CRAZY!

 

[Dedpuhl]

This was a good ep. Locke's daddy is psycho.

At least we had one question answered. There's only a billion left to go...

 

[joecool]

ok, how the f*** did lockes dad get to the island? was on the plane? great episode but that's just a bit much.

oh, and there's no way anybody would have survived that fall. talk about a shocker!

 

[mzkhadir]

Originally posted by: Verse914

Originally posted by: Kaido
So how do you think Locke's dad got on the island?

Being that this is Lost...we wont find out till next season

This is the first ep. I liked all season. Locke is crazy, but his dad is CRAZY!

Locke is getting another episode in 5 weeks.

 

[mzkhadir]

next weeks episode is supposed to be big too.

 

[Kev]

Originally posted by: scott
At first Locke seemed nuts, when he smiled at Kate with an orange peel in his mouth amidst the crying injured people at the plane wreck.

Later it was hinted that Locke is shaman-like. I liked that.

This season they've twisted Locke into a lose cannon selfish kook.

I liked his character more when he seemed attuned to special mystical knowledge.
The guy who plays Locke seems like a very good actor.

I think he still does have special knowledge. Maybe he blew up the submarine because the island speaks to him, and wanted him to do it.

 

[Minjin]

I agree with some above posters. Lost never shows you something unless it is important. And they made it painfully obvious that Locke was soaking wet when he walked down the pier. He also wasn't in any hurry and looked like he WANTED to be caught. I think he maneuvered the sub out to sea, put it on the bottom, then swam back and blew something else up. Did you see how quickly Locke found the light switch in the sub? He knew what he was doing. Also, did you guys notice the wall of military decorations (unit badges) in his apartment?

edit: here's a poor screen shot pic

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: Minjin
I agree with some above posters. Lost never shows you something unless it is important. And they made it painfully obvious that Locke was soaking wet when he walked down the pier. He also wasn't in any hurry and looked like he WANTED to be caught. I think he maneuvered the sub out to sea, put it on the bottom, then swam back and blew something else up. Did you see how quickly Locke found the light switch in the sub? He knew what he was doing. Also, did you guys notice the wall of military decorations (unit badges) in his apartment?

edit: here's a poor screen shot pic

Well, that's kind of interesting. But ummm how do you get out of a sub that's parked underwater (without flooding it)? How do you get back in?

Why Locke wants the people to stay:

Locke can channel the Island's "power". The island derives it's "power" from the people on the island. Ergo, Locke wants them to stay. Locke is the Neo of "Lost". (OK, maybe retarded, but it is Lost )

Fern

 

[Minjin]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Minjin
I agree with some above posters. Lost never shows you something unless it is important. And they made it painfully obvious that Locke was soaking wet when he walked down the pier. He also wasn't in any hurry and looked like he WANTED to be caught. I think he maneuvered the sub out to sea, put it on the bottom, then swam back and blew something else up. Did you see how quickly Locke found the light switch in the sub? He knew what he was doing. Also, did you guys notice the wall of military decorations (unit badges) in his apartment?

edit: here's a poor screen shot pic

Well, that's kind of interesting. But ummm how do you get out of a sub that's parked underwater (without flooding it)? How do you get back in?

Why Locke wants the people to stay:
Locke can channel the Island's "power". The island derives it's "power" from the people on the island. Ergo, Locke wants them to stay. Locke is the Neo of "Lost". (OK, maybe retarded, but it is Lost )
Fern

Most submarines have an air lock. Go in one hatch. Close it. Flood compartment. Open outer hatch. You get back in the same way.

 

[Spineshank]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Minjin
I agree with some above posters. Lost never shows you something unless it is important. And they made it painfully obvious that Locke was soaking wet when he walked down the pier. He also wasn't in any hurry and looked like he WANTED to be caught. I think he maneuvered the sub out to sea, put it on the bottom, then swam back and blew something else up. Did you see how quickly Locke found the light switch in the sub? He knew what he was doing. Also, did you guys notice the wall of military decorations (unit badges) in his apartment?

edit: here's a poor screen shot pic

Well, that's kind of interesting. But ummm how do you get out of a sub that's parked underwater (without flooding it)? How do you get back in?

Why Locke wants the people to stay:

Locke can channel the Island's "power". The island derives it's "power" from the people on the island. Ergo, Locke wants them to stay. Locke is the Neo of "Lost". (OK, maybe retarded, but it is Lost )

Fern

Technically you could do it through the torpedo tube.

 

[CalvinHobbs]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Minjin
I agree with some above posters. Lost never shows you something unless it is important. And they made it painfully obvious that Locke was soaking wet when he walked down the pier. He also wasn't in any hurry and looked like he WANTED to be caught. I think he maneuvered the sub out to sea, put it on the bottom, then swam back and blew something else up. Did you see how quickly Locke found the light switch in the sub? He knew what he was doing. Also, did you guys notice the wall of military decorations (unit badges) in his apartment?

edit: here's a poor screen shot pic

Well, that's kind of interesting. But ummm how do you get out of a sub that's parked underwater (without flooding it)? How do you get back in?

Why Locke wants the people to stay:

Locke can channel the Island's "power". The island derives it's "power" from the people on the island. Ergo, Locke wants them to stay. Locke is the Neo of "Lost". (OK, maybe retarded, but it is Lost )

Fern

i think it's possible to get out of the submarine even though it was underwater...i just can't explain how right now, but it is possible, someone can explain it, u know like u move in chamber that is closed and then filled with water and then a door is opened to give access to the sea...something like that i suppsoe

 

[imported_Imp]

Originally posted by: Minjin
I agree with some above posters. Lost never shows you something unless it is important. And they made it painfully obvious that Locke was soaking wet when he walked down the pier. He also wasn't in any hurry and looked like he WANTED to be caught. I think he maneuvered the sub out to sea, put it on the bottom, then swam back and blew something else up. Did you see how quickly Locke found the light switch in the sub? He knew what he was doing. Also, did you guys notice the wall of military decorations (unit badges) in his apartment?

edit: here's a poor screen shot pic

Dang, completely forgot about that. Didn't he tell the social/disability worker he was in the marines? I thought he was bsing a bit at the time. 'Boone' was in the Navy though...

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: Minjin

Most submarines have an air lock. Go in one hatch. Close it. Flood compartment. Open outer hatch. You get back in the same way.

Sounds good to me.

Originally posted by: Gnrslash4life

Technically you could do it through the torpedo tube.

Well I consider that but dismissed it. These are supposed to be scientific research types. I didn't think their sub would have torpedo tubes. Much less anything large enough for a man to get through. The sub, when docked, looked kinda small to me.

But again, it is Lost. If they want the sub on the bottom available for later use, they'll find a way to make it at leats partially plausible.

 

[SpanishFry]

Originally posted by: mezrah

Originally posted by: TheNinja
Hey, at least the last couple episodes have progressed along the story line and not just some random flashbacks that really didn't do anything (lik Desmonds episode).

That being said, if I was Jack I would have beat the crap out of Locke. Jack was finally going to get to go home (plus he was with Juliette - hottie) and Locke screwed him over just b/c he didn't want to leave the island or allow his daddy to come to the island. Unless there is some wierd spin where Locke was saving Jack somehow, this episode, combined with him blowing up the tower, I'm not sure I can be a Locke fan b/c of his selfish attitude.

Ben was never going to really let Jack go. He mentioned that when talking with Locke near the end of the show. Something along the lines of, "If I let Jack go, my people won't trust me...but if I kill him, my people will think I break promises". Locke essentially fulfilled everything Ben needed, in that nobody can realistically leave the island (via the sub), including his own people.

Correct. But Ben didn't orchestrate that right? I mean, he acted like Locke fell into his trap but there's no way Ben could have set those events up, right?

 

[eleison]

Originally posted by: SpanishFry

Correct. But Ben didn't orchestrate that right? I mean, he acted like Locke fell into his trap but there's no way Ben could have set those events up, right?

Yes, he could have.. remember the "box".. everything you ever wanted or needed is in the "box"... its the new element that will make things possible.. like Jacks dreams of his Dad... its not his real dad.. but a manifestation caused by the box.. Hurly's friend.... the pony that Kate saw.. .etc.. its about the magical box and what people can get from it... almost like .... like a dick in a box.. its easy to understand...first, cut a hole in a box, :music:second put your junk in that box third, make her open the box :music:......