Losing our freedom

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
You don't understand the concept of a private company, do you?

You don't understand the concept of free speech, do you?

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: 193d
Isla, I am sorry for the moron guards at an airport.

Let me say this again in another way:

I don't care about the Patriot Act ! I hear EVERYDAY how we're losing our freedoms under BUSH !
Post some examples like the Japanese Americans were put into internment camps during WWII, Reichsmordwoche, Kristallnacht, the purges under Stalin, or the Cultural Revolution in China.

Why do you want to know?

 

[Riprorin]

This guy was free to say what he wanted and the private company he worked for was free to fire him.

 

[chrisms]

I don't know if it was always this way, but on my way to Canada I was greeted by 5-6 heavily armed U.S. agents. They were suspicious of our arrival time (1am) and searched the cars. Yet on our way back, we just told the guy at the window we were Americans and he let us right through.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
This guy was free to say what he wanted and the private company he worked for was free to fire him.

I disagree. He should have the right to ask questions and dissent without being fired. Talk about your "thought police". Just a good reason not to work for anybody with Republican persuasions. They don't want to employ you, they want to own you.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Riprorin
This guy was free to say what he wanted and the private company he worked for was free to fire him.

I disagree. He should have the right to ask questions and dissent without being fired. Talk about your "thought police". Just a good reason not to work for anybody with Republican persuasions. They don't want to employ you, they want to own you.

Companies are in business to make money. Piss off an important client and you run the risk of getting fired. That's the way free enterprise works.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Riprorin
This guy was free to say what he wanted and the private company he worked for was free to fire him.

I disagree. He should have the right to ask questions and dissent without being fired. Talk about your "thought police". Just a good reason not to work for anybody with Republican persuasions. They don't want to employ you, they want to own you.

Companies are in business to make money. Piss off an important client and you run the risk of getting fired. That's the way free enterprise works.

How would anyone know how he got the tickets or who he worked for?

You critisize the Kerry campaign about his support of free speech because they are trying to block the publication of a book with lies in it and then you turn around and justify firing someone for exercising his right to free speech?

In other words, you admit that money is more important to you then your rights and you go along with forcing that viewpoint onto others?

That's a laugh considering how you post some of the stupidest posts I see in this forum. Check out this thread about free speech started by Rip:

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=52&threadid=1379144&enterthread=y

 

[1EZduzit]

Elvis has left the building

 

[Ogi]

rip ..come on you sound so sure of your possition on matters, why don't you come back and argue your side some more?!

Ogi

note: is there a topic that rip has started where he didn't get owned

 

[Riprorin]

There's not much more to say. It's obviously not a freedom if speech issue. He can continue to say whatever he pleases. He just can't work for this company anymore because they excercised their freedom to can him.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Isla
I don't think they needed to poke her about the breasts.

Unfortunately, I wasn't able to be with her at the time. She was flying down to see her paternal grandparents and we were separated at a certain point for security reasons.

I didn't find out about it until after she came back home.

I would call that an abuse, pure and simple.

So would i, they should be fired.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: 193d
Isla, I am sorry for the moron guards at an airport.

Let me say this again in another way:

I don't care about the Patriot Act ! I hear EVERYDAY how we're losing our freedoms under BUSH !
Post some examples like the Japanese Americans were put into internment camps during WWII, Reichsmordwoche, Kristallnacht, the purges under Stalin, or the Cultural Revolution in China.

Just think of what would happen if somone who wants to ban books gets into the White House!

 

[Ogi]

just think about someone who wants to ban false lies from being used in smear campaigns into the white house?!

the world may be a better place.

Ogi

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: Isla
My daughter got harrassed and felt up by an airport security officer making sure she wasn't a terrorist, and there wasn't a damn thing I could do about it.

She was 14 years old at the time.

So you're blaming the Patriot Act?

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
There's not much more to say. It's obviously not a freedom if speech issue. He can continue to say whatever he pleases. He just can't work for this company anymore because they excercised their freedom to can him.

Not a freedom of speech issue? Under what logic can you believe that? Perhaps, and I say perhaps, if he was being paid by his employer while attending the rally, but it says nothing about that. He was employed as a graphics designer, not a stooge to send to a rally to cheer for someone he doesn't like and you don't think it qualifies as a freedom of speech issue? I would never work for a hypocrite like you, I can tell you that.

If he has tickets to a football game does he have to root for the clients side? Why are his political choices any different in a free democracy??

Face it, the new relgious right republicans want to own their employees. I will heckle who ever the hell I want to whenever the hell iIwant to.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Isla
My daughter got harrassed and felt up by an airport security officer making sure she wasn't a terrorist, and there wasn't a damn thing I could do about it.

She was 14 years old at the time.

So you're blaming the Patriot Act?

LOL, you don't even bother to read the posts do you.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Ogi
just think about someone who wants to ban false lies from being used in smear campaigns into the white house?!

the world may be a better place.

Ogi

Amen to that!!

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Isla
My daughter got harrassed and felt up by an airport security officer making sure she wasn't a terrorist, and there wasn't a damn thing I could do about it.

She was 14 years old at the time.

So you're blaming the Patriot Act?

Would you call it an abuse?

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Isla
My daughter got harrassed and felt up by an airport security officer making sure she wasn't a terrorist, and there wasn't a damn thing I could do about it.

She was 14 years old at the time.

So you're blaming the Patriot Act?

LOL, you don't even bother to read the posts do you.

OP: I was wondering if anyone here has been targeted by the Bush gov't? I know the Patriot Act is a big thing.
Who here has a personal story to tell?

I assume that this story was related to the Patriot Act. If not, what is it related to?

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Isla
My daughter got harrassed and felt up by an airport security officer making sure she wasn't a terrorist, and there wasn't a damn thing I could do about it.

She was 14 years old at the time.

So you're blaming the Patriot Act?

LOL, you don't even bother to read the posts do you.

OP: I was wondering if anyone here has been targeted by the Bush gov't? I know the Patriot Act is a big thing.
Who here has a personal story to tell?

I assume that this story was related to the Patriot Act. If not, what is it related to?

Take a WILD guess, i bet if you think REAL hard you can get it.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Isla
My daughter got harrassed and felt up by an airport security officer making sure she wasn't a terrorist, and there wasn't a damn thing I could do about it.

She was 14 years old at the time.

So you're blaming the Patriot Act?

LOL, you don't even bother to read the posts do you.

OP: I was wondering if anyone here has been targeted by the Bush gov't? I know the Patriot Act is a big thing.
Who here has a personal story to tell?

I assume that this story was related to the Patriot Act. If not, what is it related to?

Take a WILD guess, i bet if you think REAL hard you can get it.

Oh, I get in now, a girl has never been "felt up" before Bush got elected.

 

[Ogi]

before bush the man that felt up that girl would have been held responsible, now it's in the name of "national security"

Ogi

 

[bozack]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Riprorin
There's not much more to say. It's obviously not a freedom if speech issue. He can continue to say whatever he pleases. He just can't work for this company anymore because they excercised their freedom to can him.

Not a freedom of speech issue? Under what logic can you believe that? Perhaps, and I say perhaps, if he was being paid by his employer while attending the rally, but it says nothing about that. He was employed as a graphics designer, not a stooge to send to a rally to cheer for someone he doesn't like and you don't think it qualifies as a freedom of speech issue? I would never work for a hypocrite like you, I can tell you that.

If he has tickets to a football game does he have to root for the clients side? Why are his political choices any different in a free democracy??

Face it, the new relgious right republicans want to own their employees. I will heckle who ever the hell I want to whenever the hell iIwant to.

company had every right to fire the guy if they wanted to, which they did...has nothing to do with the current admin except for the topic of discussion/controversy revolved around it....the guy could have been fired for being invited over the clients house for dinner, before dinner saying cheesburgers suck only to come to find out they were being served dinner, the clients favorite food was cheeseburgers and he owned a cheesburger company....

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Riprorin
There's not much more to say. It's obviously not a freedom if speech issue. He can continue to say whatever he pleases. He just can't work for this company anymore because they excercised their freedom to can him.

Not a freedom of speech issue? Under what logic can you believe that? Perhaps, and I say perhaps, if he was being paid by his employer while attending the rally, but it says nothing about that. He was employed as a graphics designer, not a stooge to send to a rally to cheer for someone he doesn't like and you don't think it qualifies as a freedom of speech issue? I would never work for a hypocrite like you, I can tell you that.

If he has tickets to a football game does he have to root for the clients side? Why are his political choices any different in a free democracy??

Face it, the new relgious right republicans want to own their employees. I will heckle who ever the hell I want to whenever the hell iIwant to.

company had every right to fire the guy if they wanted to, which they did...has nothing to do with the current admin except for the topic of discussion/controversy revolved around it....the guy could have been fired for being invited over the clients house for dinner, before dinner saying cheesburgers suck only to come to find out they were being served dinner, the clients favorite food was cheeseburgers and he owned a cheesburger company....

So we have another person who thinks corporations have more rights then individuals. Just because you don't mind being "owned" don't try and justify that this man was fired for having an opinion and trying to voice it. This man's rights are every bit as important to the integrity of the Bill of Rights as the company's rights.

I think if you check history you will find that when people are denied the right to dissent that it never leads to anything good, only bad. Absoulte power corrupts absoultely.

 

[nutxo]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: nutxo

The patriot act pulled together many existing laws and added clauses regarding commerce, otherwise there are no new laws.

That's completely inaccurate. You really ought not make categorical assertions about issues you have no knowledge of.

The Patriot Act amended the following laws:

Wiretap Statute (Title III)
Electronic Communications Privacy Act
Computer Fraud and Abuse Act
Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act
Family Education Rights and Privacy Act
Pen Register and Trap and Trace Statute
Money Laundering Act
Immigration and Nationality Act
Money Laundering Control Act
Bank Secrecy Act
Right to Financial Privacy Act
Fair Credit Reporting Act

It also, as you mentioned, has fiscal-law components, including broadening the ability to use expedited contracting mechanisms to make government purchases to support the war effort.

There is some analysis of the impact of the Patriot Act here.

For some reason I keep thinking that amended means that something already existed. Which would make your statement just as incorrect as you say mine is.