Losers in the unions vs. Wal-Mart game: D.C.'s poor (UPDATE)

[berzerker60]

Yes, people are objectively getting lower real wages year after year for decades, but let's blame poor people for their problems by assuming they all believe some bizarre strawman you've made up from movies and TV.

 

[Ldir]

duh.

of course they are. The same shit that is sitting on walmart shelves is sitting in Targerts, Hy-vee, Shnucs etc etc.

Sadly there are some that think each manufacture has a SPECIAL line dedicated just for walmart. Ignoring the cost..

That's because they kind of did. Many of those things used to be made in the US. Walmart forced manufacturing overseas by demanding suppliers cut prices below cost or Walmart wouldn't sell their stuff. To meet Walmart's demands they stopped manufacturing here.

 

[OGOC]

You're preaching to the choir Z. The economy has been a farce since Reaganomics. Every bit of prosperity we've had since then has been phony. It's all debt based, and someday it's going to fail.

Well, more like since 1913.

 

[fskimospy]

Well, more like since 1913.

Since almost everyone who was alive in 1913 is dead now and the average standard of living is vastly higher today than in 1913 that implies that even if what you were saying were true it doesn't even matter.

(it's not true of course, but hey)

 

[OGOC]

Real taxes on the rich are at all time lows for three generations.

Are they?

The Fantasy of a 91% Top Income Tax Rate
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324705104578151601554982808.html

True enough, the top marginal income-tax rate in the 1950s was much higher than today's top rate of 35%—but the share of income paid by the wealthiest Americans has essentially remained flat since then.

The changes came about not so much by movements in rates but by the addition of tax credits for the poor and the elimination of exemptions for the wealthy. In 1958, even the lowest-tier filers, which included everyone making up to $5,000 annually, were subjected to an effective 20% rate. Today, almost half of all tax filers have no income-tax liability whatsoever, and many "taxpayers" actually get a net refund from the government. Those nostalgic for 1950s-era "tax fairness" should bear this in mind.

The tax code of the 1950s allowed upper-income Americans to take exemptions and deductions that are unheard of today.

Since almost everyone who was alive in 1913 is dead now and the average standard of living is vastly higher today than in 1913 that implies that even if what you were saying were true it doesn't even matter.

My 1913 reference went over your head. ok.

 

[monovillage]

http://www.nbcwashington.com/blogs/...nment-Doesnt-Pay-a-Living-Wage-215585001.html

“People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.”

Someone needs to carve those words onto a wall in the D.C. Council legislative chamber.

Last week, the Council approved a measure that would require Walmart and other large retailers doing business in the District to pay a “living wage” of $12.50 per hour.

But… uh oh. Hypocrisy alert.

District government pays less than $12.50 per hour.

 

[poofyhairguy]

OOOOO good one.

 

[PokerGuy]

http://www.nbcwashington.com/blogs/...nment-Doesnt-Pay-a-Living-Wage-215585001.html

:biggrin:

Not only are they terminally stupid in trying to single out a corporation, but now it turns out they are terminally stupid as well as hypocrites. Brilliant. I'm sure the idiots in DC will vote them right back into office next term though.

 

[fskimospy]

My 1913 reference went over your head. ok.

No, I assume you're talking about since the creation of the Federal Reserve. I'm just saying that if you believe economic growth since 1913 has been illusory the evidence obviously shows that you're wrong.

 

[Acanthus]

Tell me this champ: During these "golden years" of america (which you obviously weren't alive in ), did you need any of the following items?
1) A cell-phone (or phone at all), with a bill approaching $100 (PER PHONE) every month?
2) A TV with a satellite dish/cable box approaching ranges from $50-$120 every month?
3) An amazing array of gourmet food daily - as well as amazing health related items such as chips, soda, and a 24-pack of beer?
4) New rims for your car? That is a HUGE necessity I hear :awe:
5) Do you need to drive places? Some places yes, but take a look back in time - the bus is and always was acceptable means of travel, that comes WITHOUT gas, and WITHOUT 50cent per mile maintanance.
6) Do you need a computer? During your "golden years" I think people did damn fine without one.
7) Do you need internet access? This service costs approx $40 every month. I hear Starbucks is open if necessary.
8) Do you need Netflix? Do you need to rent RedBox? You know, those $5 Starbucks add up OVER TIME if you knew what budgeting is...

All of the shit I just listed is considered by a normal lower class to be necessity. Inyet... I don't have many those and I make more than the average household income... And yea, I ride the bus into work too.

Greedy expectations, disgusting.

Well you pretty much need a car, cell, internet access and computer to function in society now.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Well you pretty much need a car, cell, internet access and computer to function in society now.

Please enlighten me why you NEED these now, but you didn't need one 20 years ago.

I'm talking a fucking necessity. Public transportation only grows more. Internet access is free in plenty of places. A library has computers. A cell phone is not needed - but if you want to argue that, a simple flip phone you can probably get for $10-20 a month instead of paying $300 for a smart phone and $80/month for service.

 

[ivwshane]

Please enlighten me why you NEED these now, but you didn't need one 20 years ago.

I'm talking a fucking necessity. Public transportation only grows more. Internet access is free in plenty of places. A library has computers. A cell phone is not needed - but if you want to argue that, a simple flip phone you can probably get for $10-20 a month instead of paying $300 for a smart phone and $80/month for service.

A car should be obvious. Housing prices in cities where the jobs are have gone up (including rent), public transportation doesn't exist everywhere so people are doing more commuting than before.

You need Internet access to apply for jobs and to respond to job offers, you also need a computer to create your resumes (can you do that at the library and upload files?).

You need a cellphone so that your employer can get a hold of you when they need you to come in for extra hours. Or just for emergencies. Cheap plans often have restrictions including smaller coverage areas.

 

[waggy]

That's because they kind of did. Many of those things used to be made in the US. Walmart forced manufacturing overseas by demanding suppliers cut prices below cost or Walmart wouldn't sell their stuff. To meet Walmart's demands they stopped manufacturing here.

what? did you read what i quoted? its not that hard.

the quesiton was

Let's be real though, don't you think that Target, Sears, Kmart are not in fact selling the made-for-cheap-offshore stuff??.

DO you you think That target, sears etc are NOT selling the same shit?

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

A car should be obvious. Housing prices in cities where the jobs are have gone up (including rent), public transportation doesn't exist everywhere so people are doing more commuting than before.

You need Internet access to apply for jobs and to respond to job offers, you also need a computer to create your resumes (can you do that at the library and upload files?).

You need a cellphone so that your employer can get a hold of you when they need you to come in for extra hours. Or just for emergencies. Cheap plans often have restrictions including smaller coverage areas.

Car I will only give you in certain areas - particularly one's that aren't in ANY major city :|

Library - Yes, you can apply for jobs. There are also plenty of companies whose ENTIRE purpose is to help companies find people to hire. Thus, they want you to apply - hence you can go there.

And I knew it was coming, the ol' You need a phone for contact by job. Once again, I'll give you $20/month charge. No. Not $300 for an iPhone 5 and $100/month for smartphone 4g service. Suck a nut.

Guaranteed: Any low class you are speaking of has (and is demanding) many of those items I mentioned. I have already said there are many alternatives - many of which I take advantage of and *gasp* I make plenty. It's a matter of stupidity obeese people that have nothing to do with thier lives.

 

[waggy]

A car should be obvious. Housing prices in cities where the jobs are have gone up (including rent), public transportation doesn't exist everywhere so people are doing more commuting than before.

You need Internet access to apply for jobs and to respond to job offers, you also need a computer to create your resumes (can you do that at the library and upload files?).

You need a cellphone so that your employer can get a hold of you when they need you to come in for extra hours. Or just for emergencies. Cheap plans often have restrictions including smaller coverage areas.

You can apply and recieve job offers without having a home connection. As he said the library will let you use computers, Unemployment agency will let you use computers. IF you have a laptop every mcdonalds will let you.

Cell phone? not needed but nice. you can get a cheap ass line for very cheap. you do not need internet on a phone.

a car? that depends on where you live. in chicago or such no not as needed.


he is right on a lot of stuff. People think that the standard of living is much diffrent. it really ain't its just stuff we THINK we need has expanded.

same with houses. Does a family of 3-4 really need a 4-5k sq/ft house? 2-3 30k vehicles?

a 40 inch plasma in every room?

 

[EagleKeeper]

Exactly. DC residents have little or no access to affordable food. The local markets have everything for 50%-100% more than Walmart.

Cost of business within the SE Washington area.

The area itself causes higher costs to small business.
Low volume
High fixed costs
Minimal parking availability
Potentially hostility to business ownership by locals

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

You can apply and recieve job offers without having a home connection. As he said the library will let you use computers, Unemployment agency will let you use computers. IF you have a laptop every mcdonalds will let you.

Cell phone? not needed but nice. you can get a cheap ass line for very cheap. you do not need internet on a phone.

a car? that depends on where you live. in chicago or such no not as needed.


he is right on a lot of stuff. People think that the standard of living is much diffrent. it really ain't its just stuff we THINK we need has expanded.

same with houses. Does a family of 3-4 really need a 4-5k sq/ft house? 2-3 30k vehicles?

a 40 inch plasma in every room?

You're talking to dipshits like my generation that grew up with Windows or >. The concept of walking to a bus stop is just as foreign as writing with a pencil to them

 

[ivwshane]

You can apply and recieve job offers without having a home connection. As he said the library will let you use computers, Unemployment agency will let you use computers. IF you have a laptop every mcdonalds will let you.

Cell phone? not needed but nice. you can get a cheap ass line for very cheap. you do not need internet on a phone.

a car? that depends on where you live. in chicago or such no not as needed.


he is right on a lot of stuff. People think that the standard of living is much diffrent. it really ain't its just stuff we THINK we need has expanded.

same with houses. Does a family of 3-4 really need a 4-5k sq/ft house? 2-3 30k vehicles?

a 40 inch plasma in every room?

So your expectation is that people should be hanging out at the library all day waiting for job offers?

Just because you don't see or understand the need for these things doesn't mean no justification exists.

I don't understand this mentality people have that if they don't need something then no one does.

"I'm not racist therefore racism doesn't exist"
"I went to college with no financial help therefore no one needs financial help"
"I bought my house within my budget therefore people who can no longer afford their house didn't buy within their means".
"When I was struggling financially I didn't need any government help therefore no one needs government help".
"I use public transportation to get every where I need to go therefore everyone can use public transportation".
"I don't need a cellphone therefore no one needs a cellphone".
"I have access to healthcare therefore everyone has access".
"I have no problems when I vote therefore nobody has problems voting".
"I got an ID therefore anyone can get an ID".


On and on and on...
There are 300+ million people in this country, stop thinking you know all of their circumstances because you don't.

 

[waggy]

So your expectation is that people should be hanging out at the library all day waiting for job offers?

Just because you don't see or understand the need for these things doesn't mean no justification exists.

I don't understand this mentality people have that if they don't need something then no one does.

"I'm not racist therefore racism doesn't exist" WHAT? lol what does this have to do with conversation?

"I went to college with no financial help therefore no one needs financial help" again has nothing to do with the conversation. but i used financial aid. i had $5k i paid back fast so i didn't have that monkey on my back.
"I bought my house within my budget therefore people who can no longer afford their house didn't buy within their means". Again what? explain how a family NEEDS a 4-5k sq ft house for 3-4 people? for a very long time people got by with smaller and had NO PROBLEMS.
"When I was struggling financially I didn't need any government help therefore no one needs government help". IF you need it use it. That's what people pay taxes for. I just hate people that use that a career.
"I use public transportation to get every where I need to go therefore everyone can use public transportation". I can't get public transportation. i live in the country. IF funds are low and you live in Say Chicago where they have good Public transportation use it instead of wasting money on a car.
"I don't need a cellphone therefore no one needs a cellphone". Again you seem to be missing what people are saying. you can save a ton on cellphones by changing what you get. You don't NEED a smartphone with a internet connection. A basic phone is cheap (cheaper then land-lines!)
"I have access to healthcare therefore everyone has access".
"I have no problems when I vote therefore nobody has problems voting". ok...?
"I got an ID therefore anyone can get an ID". ...again...?


On and on and on...
There are 300+ million people in this country, stop thinking you know all of their circumstances because you don't.

ahh i can see why you have problems. you are a idiot. You can't debate without A bringing race into it. i find that amazing since well this conversation has NOTHING to do with race.

trying to use logic is oging to be useless. you are hyped up on emotion. so i guess its useless to talk to you.

actually fuck i'm bored and it's to fucking hot outside. SO My response in BOLD!


god i love Central air..

 

[ivwshane]

ahh i can see why you have problems. you are a idiot. You can't debate without A bringing race into it. i find that amazing since well this conversation has NOTHING to do with race.

trying to use logic is oging to be useless. you are hyped up on emotion. so i guess its useless to talk to you.

actually fuck i'm bored and it's to fucking hot outside. SO My response in BOLD!


god i love Central air..

Lol, way to miss the fucking point! Holy shit!

I even stated my point twice and you still missed it!

I think the heat is making you a little strokey, you should go to a hospital.


Lol, thanks for illustrating my point with your responses!

 

[nehalem256]

So your expectation is that people should be hanging out at the library all day waiting for job offers?

Just because you don't see or understand the need for these things doesn't mean no justification exists.

I don't understand this mentality people have that if they don't need something then no one does.

"I'm not racist therefore racism doesn't exist"
"I went to college with no financial help therefore no one needs financial help"
"I bought my house within my budget therefore people who can no longer afford their house didn't buy within their means".
"When I was struggling financially I didn't need any government help therefore no one needs government help".
"I use public transportation to get every where I need to go therefore everyone can use public transportation".
"I don't need a cellphone therefore no one needs a cellphone".
"I have access to healthcare therefore everyone has access".
"I have no problems when I vote therefore nobody has problems voting".
"I got an ID therefore anyone can get an ID".


On and on and on...
There are 300+ million people in this country, stop thinking you know all of their circumstances because you don't.

So basically some(a lot?) of people suck at life and want me to bail them out.

And the ID one is especially fun. Good luck getting a legal job without ID.

 

[ivwshane]

So basically some(a lot?) of people suck at life and want me to bail them out.

And the ID one is especially fun. Good luck getting a legal job without ID.

Wow! How did you equate any of that with me saying people need a bail out let alone that you should provide it?

Your straw man fu is good!

 

[waggy]

Lol, way to miss the fucking point! Holy shit!

I even stated my point twice and you still missed it!

I think the heat is making you a little strokey, you should go to a hospital.


Lol, thanks for illustrating my point with your responses!

the point you are trying to make, whatever the fuck it is. you are all over the place.

Again you seem to missing the point we have made rather plain.

you can save money by how you live. Many of what people think they "need" they really do not. People can and do survive without many items you seem to be having a fit over.


The standard living is not worse then it was 50 years ago. What people waste money on has risen highly though.

 

[ivwshane]

the point you are trying to make, whatever the fuck it is. you are all over the place.

Again you seem to missing the point we have made rather plain.

you can save money by how you live. Many of what people think they "need" they really do not. People can and do survive without many items you seem to be having a fit over.


The standard living is not worse then it was 50 years ago. What people waste money on has risen highly though.

Yep, you are right! Can I get this master list you have of what people waste money on? Do you also have a document showing how people must live according to you? They have a similar list in Muslim based cultures called sharia law, is your way of life similar?

Fucking stupid old people! Fucking worst generation ever!

You got yours so fuck everyone else right?!

 

[waggy]

Yep, you are right! Can I get this master list you have of what people waste money on? Do you also have a document showing how people must live according to you? They have a similar list in Muslim based cultures called sharia law, is your way of life similar?

Fucking stupid old people! Fucking worst generation ever!

You got yours so fuck everyone else right?!

bhwhwhwh

sad. /facepalm