Looks like we may take on the whole middle east...
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I don't think anyone in Heaven or Hell will care if you have a sheepskin. Have fun, enjoy yourself, quit worrying. It won't change anything.
Nocturnal
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Originally posted by: tec699
Powell warns Syria and Iran....
Man.. I hope to at least graduate from college before we all die.
Ditto
Secretary of State Powell is still being the good soldier. Closing ranks, obeying his leader. The ideas he is expressing were most recently expressed by Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld. What many people don't realize is this policy has been planned since the 1991 Gulf war. I'll give you some links. You make up your own mind.
I am not saying Saddam Hussein shouldn't be deposed. He is, from all I have read and seen, a viscious tyrant who uses torture and murder to stay in power. But let's not be fooled. We helped make Hussein who he is today. And we have done the same in other places at other times.
I do not agree with the small group of neo-conservatives who want to use the victory we all contributed to in winning the cold war to maintain American dominance, whether dealing with friend or foe, in the 21st century. With our history of supporting regimes for our own expediency rather than the spread of democracy we are not viewed by many nations as the good guys we would like to be viewed as. We are viewed by many as imperialists. These are dangerous ideas. Many of the nations we may want to "liberate" may not view us as liberators but rather invaders.
Newsweek archive quote
Excerpts from the "Defence Planning Guidance" written by Paul Wolfowitz in 1992
PBS Front Line
The Carlyle Group
Info on The Carlyle Group
The Project for a New American Century
I am not saying Saddam Hussein shouldn't be deposed. He is, from all I have read and seen, a viscious tyrant who uses torture and murder to stay in power. But let's not be fooled. We helped make Hussein who he is today. And we have done the same in other places at other times.
I do not agree with the small group of neo-conservatives who want to use the victory we all contributed to in winning the cold war to maintain American dominance, whether dealing with friend or foe, in the 21st century. With our history of supporting regimes for our own expediency rather than the spread of democracy we are not viewed by many nations as the good guys we would like to be viewed as. We are viewed by many as imperialists. These are dangerous ideas. Many of the nations we may want to "liberate" may not view us as liberators but rather invaders.
Newsweek archive quote
Excerpts from the "Defence Planning Guidance" written by Paul Wolfowitz in 1992
PBS Front Line
The Carlyle Group
Info on The Carlyle Group
The Project for a New American Century
I think that even if America did not use its military force around the world, countries would still hate us due to our economic success.
Originally posted by: tec699
Man.. I hope to at least graduate from college before we all die.
Damn, and I was hoping that Bill Gates would get a degree too. Imagine if he got that piece of paper, he could be rich!
Originally posted by: Marshallj
Originally posted by: tec699
Man.. I hope to at least graduate from college before we all die.
Damn, and I was hoping that Bill Gates would get a degree too. Imagine if he got that piece of paper, he could be rich!
:Q
WeRd. Our poor are richer than some poor over in other countries. We have it made here in the U.S. and all some people can do is gripe and protest about it. Just like the lower class people in the US hate the "rich" people now. Other countries hate us in the same way. Only because we prosper and they don't.
Hayabusa Rider
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Originally posted by: tec699
You mean.. I can't change the world?
NOOOOOOOO.....................
No, but you could buy it a Coke
You have to watch it. You suffer from what most Caucasians suffer from and that's Ethnocentricism. You may hold wealth at a high standard, while other countries do not. For instance.. do you really think that the tribes in the rain forest really care about wealth? So does that make them bad, because they don't prosper? The Native Americans went through the same issues in the 1800-1900's. Money to them is a non-issue. It doesn't make them any worse then us though.
What may seem natural to you is totally alien to other countries.
it is much deeper and more simple than that. The US prospers to a great degree through the suffering of others, a lot of people are mad because the US and its corporate empire have devistated many places, as has been done by many other countries, but none to the degree in the US. In most cases people have a good argument for holding a grudge against the US, if some other country came in the US and did us like we have done them, we would feel the same way.
I just hope that one day the following occurs:
"Free trade" means "fair trade".
"Capitalism" stops meaning "exploitation in the name of capitalism".
Then - together with moving forward with Israel/Palestine - we could really make a dent in anti-US sentiment and we wouldn't need so many of these threads.
Cheers,
Andy
"Free trade" means "fair trade".
"Capitalism" stops meaning "exploitation in the name of capitalism".
Then - together with moving forward with Israel/Palestine - we could really make a dent in anti-US sentiment and we wouldn't need so many of these threads.
Cheers,
Andy
LunarRay
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Originally posted by: Nocturnal
Originally posted by: tec699
Powell warns Syria and Iran....
Man.. I hope to at least graduate from college before we all die.
Ditto
i hope all your grandkids graduate from college before we all die...
Originally posted by: tec699
Originally posted by: Marshallj
Originally posted by: tec699
Man.. I hope to at least graduate from college before we all die.
Damn, and I was hoping that Bill Gates would get a degree too. Imagine if he got that piece of paper, he could be rich!
:Q
LunarRay
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Originally posted by: Fencer128
I just hope that one day the following occurs:
"Free trade" means "fair trade".
"Capitalism" stops meaning "exploitation in the name of capitalism".
Then - together with moving forward with Israel/Palestine - we could really make a dent in anti-US sentiment and we wouldn't need so many of these threads.
Cheers,
Andy
The object of capitalism is to exploit...
Free trade would not be free if it only could be fair...
Flame retardent contains a superior intellect...
authority without power is suggestive...
power without authority is dangerous...
two nations cannot occupy the same spot at the same time...
inconsequentiality is irrelevant
That is not why people hate America. They hate us because they think the US government is arrogant....we're the most powerful therefore we set the rules and values; "might is right!" We feel that being a superpower comes the responsibility of stabilizing the world. But the flip side of it is that we come off being arrogant and is using our might to reshape the world to as we see fit. We criticize countries for quelling rebellion on the grounds of human rights violations and yet we regime change when we see fit and without UN support. We sanction countries for developing nukes while being the only country to have used it in war. Wealth is does not drive people to hate America. The only thing wealth drives is immigrations to the US.
I thought the object of capitalism was to make money and own? (whilst respecting the law obviously - so make a law, and capitalists must abide).
Don't see that - sorry. Sounds nice though - needs more facts.
? Is that some knid of psuedo-anagram? (I'm tired)
Now you're getting a bit "Yoda" on me
True - that's where sharing comes in - have a look at Northern Ireland.
ok........
Here's one from me... ahem *clearing throat*
"When you're standing tall its easy to miss the dirt on your boots".
Cheers
,Andy
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When I heard NPR's report on Powell's statement, I thought "okay who is next?" I am willing to bet a beer that Syria is next.
LunarRay
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Originally posted by: Fencer128
I thought the object of capitalism was to make money and own? (whilst respecting the law obviously - so make a law, and capitalism must abide).
Don't see that - sorry. Sounds nice though - needs more facts.
? Is that some knid of psuedo-anagram? (I'm tired)
Now you're getting a bit "Yoda" on me
True - that's where sharing comes in - have a look at Northern Ireland.
ok........
Cheers
Andy
Capitalism... yes.. but at a profit (owned by private parties not the govt) ... exploit is not bad ...
free trade... without tariff fair, unfair whocares... if it is unfair you don't buy it.
flame... just an observation
US supreme court has no power... executive branch has power and authority... sometimes
Northern part of ireland... I'll leave it there.. I think I detect a Brittish accent.
But that's just my point, people buy what's cheapest (usually - unless they can really be made to think about the consequences or are very poor). Governments do little to educate people about how their purchasing decisions can affect others. Its not even that we need any new laws - just poper recognition and publicity for these important issues. I don't know about the US, but in the UK organic food is taking an ever increasing market share - and its not cheap! but it has recieved much publicity of late.
These comments were directed at how to lower anti-US sentiment. I still believe that free and fair trade is an important contribution in that puzzle.
Cheers,
Andy
LunarRay
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These comments were directed at how to lower anti-US sentiment. I still believe that free and fair trade is an important contribution in that puzzle.
Cheers,
Andy[/quote]
Have you noticed it is only the bad guys that hate the police. They are bad guys because they violated the law and now are being apprehended and procecuted they hate that too but it is the police..... the tangible entity that they can attack not the intangible law.
So, therefore, what is needed is a world court that has jurisdiction over this planet and the space around it populated by the worlds best minds with the authority of "court of final decision" with the power to enforce its decisions (by a force yet know). We'll call it the Court of the United Nations. Laws will be propounded by any nation, considered and denied or affirmed which then become "The Law" we'll call them draft and final resolutions for short. Each nation will be soveriegn regards each other with the ability to control its borders, commerce etc. under "The Law". No nation my violate the soverienty of another nation for any reason. Each nation may exploit what ever resourses it may posess to its own benifit with out fear of reprisal. And we'd add a bill of rights to it and like the jist of the magna charta (I like that document--- John didn't but then it was 1215) we'll disenable the crown from unjust tax etc.. what do you think... will we eliminate hatred toward the US if the rest of the world is on our side against the bad guy?
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