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GodisanAtheist

GodisanAtheist

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skyking said:
sulphuric acid clouds, and guess what beotches?
No space Coast Guard to look for your sorry ass when something goes wrong.
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- The dope AF thing about Venus is there is that there is a very temperate area in the cloud cover that is relatively sulfuric acid free that we can theoretically float a base on thanks to the density of the cloud cover.

Outside of needing a helmet to breath, you'd technically be able to walk outside in street clothes.

Oh also whatever happened to that whole thing where they found traces of a compound that currently is only known the to be produced by organic life?
 
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skyking

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yes indeed i have looked at all those cool studies about Venus and that altitude, the "sweet spot".
For shits and grins look up the Soviet Venera missions. 28 launches, 13 craft made it to the atmosphere, 8 landed. The longest survival time was 127 minutes for the landers.
The Goddess of Love is a harsh mistress.
 
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[DHT]Osiris

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GodisanAtheist said:
- The dope AF thing about Venus is there is that there is a very temperate area in the cloud cover that is relatively sulfuric acid free that we can theoretically float a base on thanks to the density of the cloud cover.

Outside of needing a helmet to breath, you'd technically be able to walk outside in street clothes.

Oh also whatever happened to that whole thing where they found traces of a compound that currently is only known the to be produced by organic life?
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Was just gonna respond with this! We could totes set up a sky people civilization there. Landing with rockets would suck, but imagine the views. I guess you could parachute down from orbit, stick the landing!

IIRC the organic molecule thing was from outside our solar system. That may have happened locally as well (beyond the usual suspects... Enceladus, titan, etc).

skyking said:
yes indeed i have looked at all those cool studies about Venus and that altitude, the "sweet spot".
For shits and grins look up the Soviet Venera missions. 28 launches, 13 craft made it to the atmosphere, 8 landed. The longest survival time was 127 minutes for the landers.
The Goddess of Love is a harsh mistress.
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Yeah, Venus surface is grossly inappropriate for anything resembling usable for humans. We don't develop technology for something like that.
 
Pohemi

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[DHT]Osiris said:
IIRC the organic molecule thing was from outside our solar system. That may have happened locally as well (beyond the usual suspects... Enceladus, titan, etc).
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I believe that was the JWT that detected Methane in the atmosphere of an exoplanet (aka another solar system).
 
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GodisanAtheist

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www.space.com

Life on Venus? Intriguing molecule phosphine spotted in planet's clouds again

There's a new chapter in the Venus phosphine debate.
www.space.com www.space.com

Phosphene gas was detected twice in Venus' atmosphere, once in 2020 and again in 2023. Based on our current knowledge of how phosphene is produced, only some exotic physics which we don't understand to exist on Venus or biological life can produce Phosphene Gas.

Venus is getting some love finally for additional exploration as well, feel like we go to Mars a lot more because its "easier" rather than being a more interesting planet than Venus.
 
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darkswordsman17

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GodisanAtheist said:
www.space.com

Life on Venus? Intriguing molecule phosphine spotted in planet's clouds again

There's a new chapter in the Venus phosphine debate.
www.space.com www.space.com

Phosphene gas was detected twice in Venus' atmosphere, once in 2020 and again in 2023. Based on our current knowledge of how phosphene is produced, only some exotic physics which we don't understand to exist on Venus or biological life can produce Phosphene Gas.

Venus is getting some love finally for additional exploration as well, feel like we go to Mars a lot more because its "easier" rather than being a more interesting planet than Venus.
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Honestly its most likely because dipshits like Musk read (or rather read "Idiot's Guide To, or cliff notes) that incredibly stupid sexist book from the 80s or 90s or whenever (Women are from Venus, Men are from Mars). NASA did it because exploring Mars is a helluva lot easier than Venus and they needed an easy "win" and people would be bored by the moon.
 
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Lost_in_the_HTTP said:
Didn't they say there weren't supposed to be any of these due to waivers?

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Explorer’s family seeks $50M for wrongful death in Titan submersible implosion - UPI.com

French explorer Paul Henry Nargeolet's family wants OceanGate to pay $50 million for the explorer's wrongful death due to the underwater implosion of a submersible used to view the Titanic.
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I imagine the explorer did not sign one of those? Not that they're going to get anything.
 
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Lost_in_the_HTTP said:
Didn't they say there weren't supposed to be any of these due to waivers?

www.upi.com

Explorer’s family seeks $50M for wrongful death in Titan submersible implosion - UPI.com

French explorer Paul Henry Nargeolet's family wants OceanGate to pay $50 million for the explorer's wrongful death due to the underwater implosion of a submersible used to view the Titanic.
www.upi.com www.upi.com


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Liability waivers are very weak, generally speaking. I imagine the argument will be that OceanGate did not properly inform their passengers of the risks involved and that OceanGate knew the sub was unsafe but went forward anyway. That should be easy to prove considering they fired their safety guy when he told them it wasn't safe.
 
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fskimospy said:
Liability waivers are very weak, generally speaking. I imagine the argument will be that OceanGate did not properly inform their passengers of the risks involved and that OceanGate knew the sub was unsafe but went forward anyway. That should be easy to prove considering they fired their safety guy when he told them it wasn't safe.
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Ding. Winner. A good 2L could probably get your standard waiver tossed out.
 
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fskimospy said:
Liability waivers are very weak, generally speaking. I imagine the argument will be that OceanGate did not properly inform their passengers of the risks involved and that OceanGate knew the sub was unsafe but went forward anyway. That should be easy to prove considering they fired their safety guy when he told them it wasn't safe.
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This is what I was thinking. I doubt a waiver covers gross negligence.
 
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Lost_in_the_HTTP

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Dollarz don't mean smartz.


Titan passenger said he understood risk if something went wrong in experimental sub: 'It wasn't supposed to be safe'​

abcnews.go.com.ico
ABC|4 hours ago
A man who went on two OceanGate deep-sea dives to see the Titanic testified that he understood the risk and he could die if something went wrong.



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