Looks like the public option has enough votes to pass the senate

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: shira

Originally posted by: OCguy
Too bad the house doesnt?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politi...1023/pl_politico/28651

Um, this is only the most aggressive version that's problematical - no surprise there. Sorry to disappoint you.

Apparently you didnt get past the first paragraph.

 

[Ausm]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33...cs-health_care_reform/

Glad I don't live in a red state

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Ausm
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33...cs-health_care_reform/

Glad I don't live in a red state

Hopefully my state will opt out of this mess and along with that - I better not have to pay for the mess either. Each state that opts in should have their income taxes(or however BHO and his minions plan to pay for this boondoggle) raised with the UHC line item.

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Ausm
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33...cs-health_care_reform/

Glad I don't live in a red state

Hopefully my state will opt out of this mess and along with that - I better not have to pay for the mess either. Each state that opts in should have their income taxes(or however BHO and his minions plan to pay for this boondoggle) raised with the UHC line item.

State only UHC will never work.

You can't negotiate if the whole country can't play hardball. If one state tries to play hard ball the drug companies can say "screw off, I'll go gouge the other 49 states."

But I guess you guys don't mind that the US has to pay WAY more than every other major country in the world?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Ausm
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33...cs-health_care_reform/

Glad I don't live in a red state

Hopefully my state will opt out of this mess and along with that - I better not have to pay for the mess either. Each state that opts in should have their income taxes(or however BHO and his minions plan to pay for this boondoggle) raised with the UHC line item.

State only UHC will never work.

You can't negotiate if the whole country can't play hardball. If one state tries to play hard ball the drug companies can say "screw off, I'll go gouge the other 49 states."

But I guess you guys don't mind that the US has to pay WAY more than every other major country in the world?

Well, if the supposed "opt-out" doesn't really opt us out then there is no reason to support it. Just because the turd has a flower petal on it doesn't mean it isn't a turd.

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Ausm
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33...cs-health_care_reform/

Glad I don't live in a red state

Hopefully my state will opt out of this mess and along with that - I better not have to pay for the mess either. Each state that opts in should have their income taxes(or however BHO and his minions plan to pay for this boondoggle) raised with the UHC line item.

State only UHC will never work.

You can't negotiate if the whole country can't play hardball. If one state tries to play hard ball the drug companies can say "screw off, I'll go gouge the other 49 states."

But I guess you guys don't mind that the US has to pay WAY more than every other major country in the world?

I may be wrong, but I think that the "state approved" public option means that any qualified consumer in a state could purchase the "public plan" (or whatever its name will be) from the federal government, but only if the state doesn't opt out. Which probably means that if State A and State B are both "in," residents of State A and State B will have access to exactly the same federally-administered plan (or plans - there may be various tiers of coverage available).

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Ausm
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33...cs-health_care_reform/

Glad I don't live in a red state

Hopefully my state will opt out of this mess and along with that - I better not have to pay for the mess either. Each state that opts in should have their income taxes(or however BHO and his minions plan to pay for this boondoggle) raised with the UHC line item.

State only UHC will never work.

You can't negotiate if the whole country can't play hardball. If one state tries to play hard ball the drug companies can say "screw off, I'll go gouge the other 49 states."

But I guess you guys don't mind that the US has to pay WAY more than every other major country in the world?

Well, if the supposed "opt-out" doesn't really opt us out then there is no reason to support it. Just because the turd has a flower petal on it doesn't mean it isn't a turd.

The only public money that is marked for the public option is that to set it up, which will amount to an amount so small from your taxes you wouldn't even notice it. The arguments against the public option are not that it will cost too much (it is scored to save lots of money), but that it will destroy private industry, leading to inefficient, costlier, and lower quality health care. If your state opts out, then you will get to continue having glorious private health care unencumbered by pesky public options!

I for one pray they put in the opt-out clause, it will give Republicans just enough rope to hang themselves. While I sincerely doubt a single state will actually opt out, I would love to see the idiots in the state legislature get run out of town when people wake up and realize the guy in the state next to him is paying significantly less for the same coverage because their representatives hated DEMOCRAT SOCIALISM.

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Well, if the supposed "opt-out" doesn't really opt us out then there is no reason to support it. Just because the turd has a flower petal on it doesn't mean it isn't a turd.

You keep referring to the public option as "useless" and "a turd." But ironically, the reason you righties don't like the public option is that it's TOO good: - you get a LOT of health-insurance benefit for a very reasonable price, and you're afraid that private insurance won't be able to match that bang-for-the-buck price-point.

You righties are a laugh riot. Only you could turn "TOO useful" into "useless."

 

[sportage]

Harry Reid says bill will have public option.
Is anyone that surprised?

Being that 60% + want a public option, and the democrats
know holly hell will come down on them if they did not have
the public option, republicans be dammed.

THe bill will get no republican support.
Obama's polls will soar after passage.
And republicans can kiss off 2010.
(and for that matter, 2012, 2014, 2016, etc etc)

The republicans have made a huge massive major error in fighting
reform, and more so, the public option.

The news media keeps saying it is a bad thing for reform to pass
with only democrat support.
I differ.
I believe the line in the sand will be clear to everyone.
Republicans will prove to be the party of do nothing.
The democrats will have healthcare reform WITH a public option
under their belts, along with Medicare, and civil rights from years past.

I really do not get what the republican game plan is?
Unless its mass suicide of the party.
Because that is exactly where they are headed.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: shira

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Well, if the supposed "opt-out" doesn't really opt us out then there is no reason to support it. Just because the turd has a flower petal on it doesn't mean it isn't a turd.

You keep referring to the public option as "useless" and "a turd." But ironically, the reason you righties don't like the public option is that it's TOO good: - you get a LOT of health-insurance benefit for a very reasonable price, and you're afraid that private insurance won't be able to match that bang-for-the-buck price-point.

You righties are a laugh riot. Only you could turn "TOO useful" into "useless."

I already have a "lot of health-insurance benefit for a very reasonable price". The gov't is pushing this turd on the majority to fix a very small minority problem. The problem isn't "competition" which the public plan purports to do. If that were the case then Congress could fix that in a very simple bill that allows plans to cross state borders.

 

[Lemon law]

I note that TruePaige states the the public option will never work while we watch our existing health care system price itself out of the market as an epic fail about to collapse.

Meanwhile we get to watch the public option get done to death, revive itself, only to be killed again and rise again from the ashes. Sooner or later we will get some form of health care reform, the only idiot is the idiot who thinks they know the final version of changes.

As for me, my prediction is no specific predictions on what will finally happen.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: shira

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Well, if the supposed "opt-out" doesn't really opt us out then there is no reason to support it. Just because the turd has a flower petal on it doesn't mean it isn't a turd.

You keep referring to the public option as "useless" and "a turd." But ironically, the reason you righties don't like the public option is that it's TOO good: - you get a LOT of health-insurance benefit for a very reasonable price, and you're afraid that private insurance won't be able to match that bang-for-the-buck price-point.

You righties are a laugh riot. Only you could turn "TOO useful" into "useless."

Says who? lol Data please.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: sportage
Harry Reid says bill will have public option.
Is anyone that surprised?

Being that 60% + want a public option, and the democrats
know holly hell will come down on them if they did not have
the public option, republicans be dammed.

THe bill will get no republican support.
Obama's polls will soar after passage.
And republicans can kiss off 2010.
(and for that matter, 2012, 2014, 2016, etc etc)

Indeed. The public option is a done deal, and so is Democratic control of the executive and legislative branches for the near future (at least through 2016, but I wouldn't be surprised if the GOP gains minority status after this for at least a decade).

:laugh:

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
I note that TruePaige states the the public option will never work while we watch our existing health care system price itself out of the market as an epic fail about to collapse.

Meanwhile we get to watch the public option get done to death, revive itself, only to be killed again and rise again from the ashes. Sooner or later we will get some form of health care reform, the only idiot is the idiot who thinks they know the final version of changes.

As for me, my prediction is no specific predictions on what will finally happen.

That's not what I said at all.

Lemon Law have you ever read a single post from me?!

Dude...I'm..not even going to type anymore of a response, if you don't know my stance by now...

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: sportage
Harry Reid says bill will have public option.
Is anyone that surprised?

Being that 60% + want a public option, and the democrats
know holly hell will come down on them if they did not have
the public option, republicans be dammed.

THe bill will get no republican support.
Obama's polls will soar after passage.
And republicans can kiss off 2010.
(and for that matter, 2012, 2014, 2016, etc etc)

Indeed. The public option is a done deal, and so is Democratic control of the executive and legislative branches for the near future (at least through 2016, but I wouldn't be surprised if the GOP gains minority status after this for at least a decade).

:laugh:

:thumbsup:

We should all have a beer to celebrate a vital first step in UHC for all!

:beer:

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: TruePaige
:thumbsup:

We should all have a beer to celebrate a vital first step in UHC for all!

:beer:

That should be the take-away message from our first real attempt at health-care reform in many decades.

This is only the first, but very vital, step towards real universal single-payer health care.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
lol, I don't think little harry knows how to count. I think this is more of a pressure move on his part. He'll back off a little in exchange for passing the turd that doesn't have the gov't intrusion portion. Hell, as it is, he hasn't had the votes to pass the one without, so how does anyone think he can pass one with it?

I am pretty sure Ben Nelson (Nebraska) is going to walk.

 

[Ozoned]

If only we could get someone to attach an admendment to the bill that outlaws all congressional lobbying......

 

[Patranus]

Originally posted by: Ozoned
If only we could get someone to attach an admendment to the bill that outlaws all congressional lobbying......

If we could get someone to attach an amendment to the bill that outlaws wasting other peoples money/redistributing wealth to "fix" a system that isn't broken.

 

[RightIsWrong]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Understand that everything that's being proposed and likely proposed touches on NONE of my points.

That's why I strongly advocated having providers and properly informed consumer advocates advising Congress in advance

If anyone wants health care reform talk to people that know about health care first. That shouldn't be such a difficult concept for Left or Right.

I hope that by the bolded statement, you don't mean a single person that works in the insurance industry.

Here's my current conundrum; choosing whether it is better to go without insurance next year and hoping that a relatively healthy family stays that way or...

~$480/mo in weekly contributions
first $3000 is out of pocket, then deductibles kick in...
$2500 in deductibles + 15% of costs

I'm looking at almost $10k just for insurance alone. Please don't try to convince me that anyone in the insurance industry knows how to fix a problem that they are very largely responsible for creating.