Gryz
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Whiskey, what is your point ?
Because I think we mostly agree.
But you are angry with me, so I wonder what it is that I said that makes you angry ?
You quoted a lot of information. But I don't see your statements, your conclusions. Your point.
Do you think the US didn't do anything wrong when invading Iraq ?
Do you think it was wrong, but because UK and NL and other joined in, we can't blame the US ?
Is it about the war in Syria ?
I lost track.
Let's not get distracted in this thread about NL.
Even if NL is the same as the US, that doesn't mean that what I said about Iraq isn't true.
I'm not gonna link a bunch of URLs on the net. Usually that has little purpose on any Internet discussion forum. Waste of time. I don't disagree with your facts. I think I don't even disagree with your conclusion. It seems it's a matter of semantics: does one believe that opposing in words is the same as opposing in deeds. You might be saying that the majority of the world opposed the invasion with words. True. But my point was that it hardly matters, because in deeds, Iraq was invaded. And there were no consequences for the invaders.
Because I think we mostly agree.
But you are angry with me, so I wonder what it is that I said that makes you angry ?
You quoted a lot of information. But I don't see your statements, your conclusions. Your point.
Do you think the US didn't do anything wrong when invading Iraq ?
Do you think it was wrong, but because UK and NL and other joined in, we can't blame the US ?
Is it about the war in Syria ?
I lost track.
I'm a bit imprecise in my words. Probably true. Maybe because I don't care about words. I care about actions. I don't care about the letter of the law. I care about the spirit of the law. When there are no laws, treaties or contracts that say that something is forbidden, that doesn't mean that that thing suddenly is ethically just.You haven't countered a thing against the reality that I've cited. You are repeating falsehoods all to appeal to your truthiness....
Huh ? Does it matter, when all that matters is "who is a dick" ?Iraq is not a member of the International Criminal Court (..except for two weeks in 2005 when the USA was mortified and had Iraq appeal its decision). Only a member of the ICC can call for an investigation of crimes within its jurisdiction.
Not sure what specifically you are referring to. But I agree, our governments in NL during the last 13 years have been terrible. Balkenende and Rutte are clueless and useless. We follow the US, no matter what. And when they don't follow the US, they are just as bad. Our politicians utter very high ethical words all the time. But they behave (and vote) like a bunch of toddlers. Our current generation of politicians don't care about politics. They only care about politicians.Further, blame your own country for the lack of integrity and moral compass.
Let's not get distracted in this thread about NL.
Even if NL is the same as the US, that doesn't mean that what I said about Iraq isn't true.
Lots of words were spoken in 2003. Nothing was done. Iraq was invaded. If you think you, or someone else, spoke the correct words at the time. Fine. No opposition here. But the fact remains: Iraq was invaded. And that had serious effects on the whole middle-east.Blame yourselves for the crimes that you choose. Be mature -- take accountability. Certainly do not pass buck to blame the world that is on the record for overwhelming opposing the invasion and lacks the legal means and power to hold state actors such as the USA to account.
Again, what exactly is your point ?You represent among the worst of internet opposition to intellect and reason.
I'm not gonna link a bunch of URLs on the net. Usually that has little purpose on any Internet discussion forum. Waste of time. I don't disagree with your facts. I think I don't even disagree with your conclusion. It seems it's a matter of semantics: does one believe that opposing in words is the same as opposing in deeds. You might be saying that the majority of the world opposed the invasion with words. True. But my point was that it hardly matters, because in deeds, Iraq was invaded. And there were no consequences for the invaders.
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