Looks like the Falcon here will get the new Mustang V8...but blown, at least from FPV

[dug777]

http://news.drive.com.au/drive/motor-news/fords-new-v8-trumps-hsv-20100901-14n70.html

Sounds tasty

 

[KIAman]

So not fair!

 

[IcePickFreak]

At least someone gets to have fun heh. I'm glad I picked my Holden up when they were still selling em here.

 

[Pariah]

So not fair!

? The GT500 has an all new 5.4L aluminum block supercharged for 2011. It's not like we're getting left out in the cold. GM on the otherhand... Australia and the UK both got supercharged versions of the GTO and G8, which we never got.

 

[dawp]

how do those number compare to US equivalent?

Is the closest we have to that the Taurus SHO?

 

[Pariah]

According to the article, the highest tune will generate 335kW. Unless my math is wrong, that's only 455HP. The Mustang GT has 412 HP. So they're supercharging it and only getting 43 additional HP out of the highest tune? Something isn't right there. They say a 510HP version is possible which would make the supercharging worth it.

 

[dug777]

According to the article, the highest tune will generate 335kW. Unless my math is wrong, that's only 455HP. The Mustang GT has 412 HP. So they're supercharging it and only getting 43 additional HP out of the highest tune? Something isn't right there. They say a 510HP version is possible which would make the supercharging worth it.

Your maths is fine, the figure quoted for the Mustange V8 (307kW lines up wth 412hp).

It's a pretty insane amount of power either way, and who knows how mild that supercharging treatment is, or how 'flat-out' the NA version is in 307kW guise... Supercharging can also significantly change the way the engine delivers that power accross the rev-range can it not, which may have more practical effect that a 'halo' max power figure.

They may also be doing a Japanese 'understatement', the anti-hoon press here have got rather worked up about kW-wars here in the past and both Holden and Ford have publicly sworn off that route I believe...remember this is unlikely to be anything like a 'supercar' price when it comes out, putting it well within range of umpteen-billion cashed-up mining sector employees

 

[zerocool84]

According to the article, the highest tune will generate 335kW. Unless my math is wrong, that's only 455HP. The Mustang GT has 412 HP. So they're supercharging it and only getting 43 additional HP out of the highest tune? Something isn't right there. They say a 510HP version is possible which would make the supercharging worth it.

It's obviously a mild tune but you can be sure the torque is much higher and the torque curve is better.

 

[Arkaign]

$50k-$70k Aussie bucks? How much is that compared to USD? I could google but I'm lazy

 

[Arkaign]

It's obviously a mild tune but you can be sure the torque is much higher and the torque curve is better.

Not to mention all the hardware is already in place and the ECU is happy ..

probably easy to tune upwards of 500hp I would think.

 

[grrl]

The car looks a bit like a Subaru to me.

$50k-$70k Aussie bucks? How much is that compared to USD? I could google but I'm lazy

The rate has been dropping since May, but right now it's $1.09 US/$1 Aus, so $45,871 - 64,220.

 

[ElFenix]

i don't understand why a population of less than my state gets such awesome home grown cars and we get a warmed over focus.

 

[zerocool84]

i don't understand why a population of less than my state gets such awesome home grown cars and we get a warmed over focus.

Blame environmentalists/government for that one.

 

[Arkaign]

i don't understand why a population of less than my state gets such awesome home grown cars and we get a warmed over focus.

Eh, the Focus we're getting isn't even warmed over, it's just a nice generic compact. The moderately decent RS model doesn't seem likely at this point (even so, turbo FWD isn't my idea of a great time).

This thing doesn't really look that good, and if the exchange rate above is correct, the SC model is $65k USD, at which point it'd be hitting the brick wall known as the CTS-V for sedans. For coupe, that'd put it against Vette, GT350, etc.

 

[Pariah]

It's obviously a mild tune but you can be sure the torque is much higher and the torque curve is better.

Torque curve, or I guess, torque line, in this case, is pretty impressive. 422ft/lbs from 2200 all the way up to 5500:

vs. standard Coyote:

This is supposed to be a bone stock 2011 GT. 395HP? Looks like Ford is fibbing on the 412 rating. That's much closer to 450HP.

 

[dug777]

Torque curve, or I guess, torque line, in this case, is pretty impressive. 422ft/lbs from 2200 all the way up to 5500:

vs. standard Coyote:

This is supposed to be a bone stock 2011 GT. 395HP? Looks like Ford is fibbing on the 412 rating. That's much closer to 450HP.

So that last graph shows around 300kW peak at ~6.5krpm (stock I presume), vs the other one (I presume the Falcon's SC version?) at around 340kW. For the last graph, torque peaks at arond 365 ft/lbs at ~4.4k rpm against a flat 422 ft/lbs from 2.2k to 5.5k?

How does that show the stock 5.4 at 450hp? I am clearly missing something globvious! Look like they would be very different to drive from those figures....

I suppose it's also worth mention that comparing RRP in different countries is nonsense, different taxes and tariff barriers being what they are

 

[Pariah]

So that last graph shows around 300kW peak at ~6.5krpm (stock I presume), vs the other one (I presume the Falcon's SC version?) at around 340kW. For the last graph, torque peaks at arond 365 ft/lbs at ~4.4k rpm against a flat 422 ft/lbs from 2.2k to 5.5k?

How does that show the stock 5.4 at 450hp? I am clearly missing something globvious! Look like they would be very different to drive from those figures....

The stock engine is a NA 5.0L used in the Mustang GT. The same engine Ford Australia is supercharging in the Falcon. Ford claims the stock engine produces 412HP, however the dyno graph showing 395HP to the ground tells a much different story. If you factor in a typical 13% drivetrain loss, the engine is actually producing over 450HP, not 412.

 

[KentState]

I was under the impression that SAE horse power numbers couldn't vary that widely between what the manufacturer publishes and the actual vehicles? Is the 5.0 horsepower rating not SAE certified?

 

[Pariah]

I don't think Ford certifies their high profile cars like GM does. Anyway, it looks like that 395HP pull which was from Edmunds was bogus. Upon further research, people are saying that any dyno's with numbers that high were done in 4th gear instead of the proper 1:1 5th gear. In 5th, it puts down about 360HP, which would be the expected result.

 

[punjabiplaya]

'tis why I said "buy Australian" in the other thread

 

[Throckmorton]

Why don't they use horsepower in Australia?

 

[RagingBITCH]

Torque curve, or I guess, torque line, in this case, is pretty impressive. 422ft/lbs from 2200 all the way up to 5500:

vs. standard Coyote:

This is supposed to be a bone stock 2011 GT. 395HP? Looks like Ford is fibbing on the 412 rating. That's much closer to 450HP.

It's been firmly established the GT is far underrated, even before it ever hit the streets.

 

[punjabiplaya]

australians get all the fun stuff

http://wot.motortrend.com/6709575/a...ehicles-introduces-2011-wm3-grange/index.html

<Hank Hill> Propane and propane accesories

 

[zerocool84]

I was under the impression that SAE horse power numbers couldn't vary that widely between what the manufacturer publishes and the actual vehicles? Is the 5.0 horsepower rating not SAE certified?

It could be run when the engine isn't at proper operating temps, they were blowing hot air at it, intercooler running hot, a number of things. Many cars were highly underrated from the factory, 03/04 Cobra, Neon SRT-4, Ford GT, and many more.

 

[KentState]

It could be run when the engine isn't at proper operating temps, they were blowing hot air at it, intercooler running hot, a number of things. Many cars were highly underrated from the factory, 03/04 Cobra, Neon SRT-4, Ford GT, and many more.

The SAE ratings are done in a manor to prevent inconsistent runs. Everything you mentioned would not come into play, but like stated earlier, it doesn't appear that Ford certifies their engines.