Looks Like the Arizona Immigration Law is Already Working...

[BoomerD]

Migrants sell up and flee Arizona ahead of crackdown

PHOENIX (Reuters) – Nicaraguan mother Lorena Aguilar hawks a television set and a few clothes on the baking sidewalk outside her west Phoenix apartment block.

A few paces up the street, her undocumented Mexican neighbor Wendi Villasenor touts a kitchen table, some chairs and a few dishes as her family scrambles to get out of Arizona ahead of a looming crackdown on illegal immigrants.

"Everyone is selling up the little they have and leaving," said Villasenor, 31, who is headed for Pennsylvania. "We have no alternative. They have us cornered."

The two women are among scores of illegal immigrant families across Phoenix hauling the contents of their homes into the yard this weekend as they rush to sell up and get out before the state law takes effect on Thursday.

The law, the toughest imposed by any U.S. state to curb illegal immigration, seeks to drive more than 400,000 undocumented day laborers, landscapers, house cleaners, chambermaids and other workers out of Arizona, which borders Mexico.

It makes being an illegal immigrant a state crime and requires state and local police, during lawful contact, to investigate the status of anyone they reasonably suspect of being an illegal immigrant.

The U.S. government estimates 100,000 unauthorized migrants left Arizona after the state passed an employer sanctions law three years ago requiring companies to verify workers' status using a federal computer system. There are no figures for the number who have left since the new law passed in April.

Some are heading back to Mexico or to neighboring states. Others are staying put and taking their chances.


The law hasn't even taken effect yet, but it looks like it's achieving the desired results...Unfortunately, most likely, those illegals who don't return to their native countries will end up in Kahleeforneeya.

 

[soccerballtux]

LOL the "toughest imposed by any US state".

If by tough you mean "When a guy gets arrested they are authorized to see if he's a legal immigrant" then yes, MY GOSH THAT IS TOUGH!!!!

 

[cwjerome]

Although it seems like it came out of nowhere to many people, this law was years in the making, and for good reasons. I am glad it's working and kinda figured it would. It was designed much more to make Arizona an undesirable place to live for illegal immigrants, and pressure them out, than actually be scooping them up through law enforcement.

If the law stays intact, then they better actually enforce it though, otherwise it'll just be another vague threat to be ignored with all the other laws and the number of illegal aliens will continue to rise.

 

[spidey07]

100,000 before it became law. That's a whole lot of win there and shows the power of common sense.

 

[guyver01]

I wonder when the Arizona Police will begin to wear uniforms that look like this:

While i agree that illegal immigration is a problem and something needs to be done about it, forcing people to show papers harks back to another regime that did the same thing.

I am israeli... my grandfather had his numeric tattoo on his arm till the day he died. This is a slippery slope that Arizona is treading down.

 

[nick1985]

While i agree that illegal immigration is a problem and something needs to be done about it, forcing people to show papers harks back to another regime that did the same thing.

Oh FFS, when anyone gets pulled over or stopped and questioned, ID is asked for. This is not a new thing. Acting like its something Nazi's do is fucking retarded and you know it.

 

[guyver01]

Oh FFS, when anyone gets pulled over or stopped and questioned, ID is asked for. This is not a new thing. Acting like its something Nazi's do is fucking retarded and you know it.

Yes. asking for id is fine.

Let me see your drivers licence.

But what they are also allowed to do:
investigate the status of anyone they reasonably suspect of being an illegal immigrant.

Ok.. Mr Juan Sanchesz Villalobos Ramirez... i'm gonna go look up your immigration status.

That is profiling.

 

[nick1985]

But what they are also allowed to do:
investigate the status of anyone they reasonably suspect of being an illegal immigrant.

You know lawful contact is required, right? They cant just walk up to random people on the street and ask for ID.

 

[guyver01]

You know lawful contact is required, right? They cant just walk up to random people on the street and ask for ID.

Yes i know that...

but what's to stop Mr or Mrs Arizona State Trooper from seeing someone who looks mexican driving down the road... pulling them over "for wreckless driving" ... and investigating their immigration status?

The only probable cause is they "look mexican"

 

[nick1985]

Yes i know that...

but what's to stop Mr or Mrs Arizona State Trooper from seeing someone who looks mexican driving down the road... pulling them over "for wreckless driving" ... and investigating their immigration status?

The only probable cause is they "look mexican"

Whats to stop them from doing that now with any other charge? Automatically assuming police will be racists about a law is not grounds for disallowing it.

 

[Slew Foot]

Good and bad. Good that the criminals are fleeing but bad in that most will end up in California where Dianne "Cockmucher" Feinsteinn will happily give them access to my wallet to buy her some votes.

 

[Zebo]

They city needs to come by and check for vending license before they get to PA. That's probable cause and PA doesn't need unknowns in their state anymore than AZ.

 

[nick1985]

They city needs to come by and check for vending license before they get to PA. That's probable cause and PA doesn't need unknowns in their state anymore than AZ.

Ed Rendell doesn't mind them I'm sure.

 

[blackangst1]

Yes i know that...

but what's to stop Mr or Mrs Arizona State Trooper from seeing someone who looks mexican driving down the road... pulling them over "for wreckless driving" ... and investigating their immigration status?

The only probable cause is they "look mexican"

Whats to stop your neighbor from accusing you of raping their 11 year old son? See where Im going here?

 

[guyver01]

Whats to stop them from doing that now with any other charge? Automatically assuming police will be racists about a law is not grounds for disallowing it.

no.. you're right... it's not...

but all it takes is one american citizen to be 'status checked' .. and it becomes

(1) a 4th amendment violation (guarantees the right to be safe from unreasonable search and seizure) .. and
(2) a 14th amendment violation (all citizens be treated equally under the law).

and immigration groups will sieze that moment to challenge the constitutionality of the law.

 

[guyver01]

Whats to stop your neighbor from accusing you of raping their 11 year old son? See where Im going here?

not a thing. this, unfortunately is what's wrong with our legal system. ANYONE can accuse ANYONE of ANYTHING without proof.

It then becomes MY BURDEN to prove i didn't do it.

Even tho we have Innocent until proven guilty.... its really Guilty until proven innocent.

 

[Deudalus]

Here's what you gotta consider:

1: You can already be asked for identification upon being pulled over.

2: If you do not have a drivers license, you can go to jail for that illegal or not.

3: If you do provide identification, they automatically check your record as soon as they verify your name, dob, etc.

Thus, this law is nothing new. The police don't have any new powers.

THE ONLY THING that the law does is now requires police to take someone into custody if they are illegal rather than simply letting them go.

In order for the law to be unconstitutional:

1: The federal government has to argue that the state is taking away power from the government by upholding federal law that the feds refuse to uphold themselves.

2: In order for these litigants who are being represented by the ACLU to have a case they have to have standing, which means they must be able to show damages.

That means until they are actually discriminated against, they have no case.


My guess is a judge is going to tell the federal government that as long as the Arizona law is only meant to be enforce an existing federal law, then the feds don't have a case.

 

[cubby1223]

I wonder when the Arizona Police will begin to wear uniforms that look like this:

While i agree that illegal immigration is a problem and something needs to be done about it, forcing people to show papers harks back to another regime that did the same thing.

I am israeli... my grandfather had his numeric tattoo on his arm till the day he died. This is a slippery slope that Arizona is treading down.

You don't have any capacity for rational thought, do you?

Earlier today was watching an episode of Cops, filmed just outside of Los Angeles, CA, and after pulling a man over for a traffic stop, first thing they asked him for his identity. "Show me your papers!" He didn't have his papers on him, so they sit him in the squad car and pull out a fingerprint scanner, press his thumb to it, and pull up his identity through the police records.

OMG, NAZI GERMANY HAS ALREADY INVADED CALIFORNIA!!!! OH THE HORRORS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OBVIOUSLY THIS MEANS HE'S GOING TO THE GAS CHAMBERS!!!!!!!!!!

 

[cwjerome]

My guess is a judge is going to tell the federal government that as long as the Arizona law is only meant to be enforce an existing federal law, then the feds don't have a case.

I disagree. I think Constitutional challenges (and perhaps success) will come from federalism arguments over national powers, etc.

The whole profiling thing has no serious basis until someone gets to the Supreme Court for being "profiled" and that will take years.

 

[guyver01]

Earlier today was watching an episode of Cops, filmed just outside of Los Angeles, CA, and after pulling a man over for a traffic stop, first thing they asked him for his identity. "Show me your papers!" He didn't have his papers on him, so they sit him in the squad car and pull out a fingerprint scanner, press his thumb to it, and pull up his identity through the police records.

OMG, NAZI GERMANY HAS ALREADY INVADED CALIFORNIA!!!! OH THE HORRORS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OBVIOUSLY THIS MEANS HE'S GOING TO THE GAS CHAMBERS!!!!!!!!!!

wow.. typical P&N poster garbage.

When the police "run your information" ... all they're checking is with the DMV to see if your car is registered. Same with you. To see if you have a valid licence and any outstanding warrants.

This is not, and has never been an issue. You want to drive a car? You must be licenced. Your car must be registered.

I've forgotten my licence once before. Got pulled over for speeding. Cop asked for my info... and he came back 10 minutes later with a ticket for not having my licence. He told me " ok... found your licence info with the DMV.. your ok... here's a ticket... take it and your licence to the judge and he'll dismiss the ticket. Next time, keep your licence on you"

 

[heyheybooboo]

Lotsa Fail in this thread considering they have been leaving AZ for 3+ years. I was wondering when the Trolls would start pumping how well the new law is 'working' ...





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[Kappo]

wow.. typical P&N poster garbage.

When the police "run your information" ... all they're checking is with the DMV to see if your car is registered. Same with you. To see if you have a valid licence and any outstanding warrants.

This is not, and has never been an issue. You want to drive a car? You must be licenced. Your car must be registered.

I've forgotten my licence once before. Got pulled over for speeding. Cop asked for my info... and he came back 10 minutes later with a ticket for not having my licence. He told me " ok... found your licence info with the DMV.. your ok... here's a ticket... take it and your licence to the judge and he'll dismiss the ticket. Next time, keep your licence on you"

Don't know about you, but I've been asked for my ID because I matched the description of someone they were looking for. I wasn't driving.

Also, they do have a way to verify your immigration status without your papers, but if you have no status, they can assume you are illegal. So the "left it in my other sombrero" excuse can still work except that they have pictures and stuff. We use this to verify someone's immigration status if they don't have all the proper paperwork on them when we are trying to hire someone.

 

[cwjerome]

Lotsa Fail in this thread considering they have been leaving AZ for 3+ years. I was wondering when the Trolls would start pumping how well the new law is 'working' ...

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Serious fail in your post considering we are commenting about a news story that is making the claim... it's not us. And while some illegal aliens have been leaving since the economic downturn and E-Verify, every indication seems to suggest many more are now leaving as a result of the new law. And yes, the media is covering it. Deal with it.

 

[shortylickens]

Yes. asking for id is fine.



But what they are also allowed to do:
investigate the status of anyone they reasonably suspect of being an illegal immigrant.




That is profiling.

10 million of 11 million illegals are latin american. When PC gets in the way of common sense its time to stop being PC. And no American is losing any of their rights. In fact kicking out the illegals or letting them leave on their own is going to help protect actual Americans from criminal invaders.

 

[NetGuySC]

I have to show my papers when I am stopped by the po po (drivers license etc). Where is this slippery slope?