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Darkhawk28

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Originally posted by: Crimson
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
If the president does veto this, I hope it gets overturned.

Aye.

I just don't like the fact that our religiously-motivated president, a schmuck who can't even say "nuclear" correctly, is deciding the course of scientific research in this country.

Politically, this is a disaster for Shrub. If he doesn't sign the bill, he will dubbed as anti-healthcare and alienate more people in the mainstream. If he does sign the bill, he upsets his whackjob religious base.

Politically GWB could order troops to bomb an orphanage, he can't run again, so politically there are very few ramifications. But thanks for showing your enlightened and tolerant attitude by once again resorting to name calling and insults.

His base IS the WHACKJOB religious. If you're not religious or ULTRA-RICH, you're not his base. Sorry, but you're not, you're just an unfortunate soul that got suckered into voting for him twice. Plus, I'm sure if he ordered troops to bomb an orphanage in Iraq, you'd have no problem with it.
 

ElFenix

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Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

His base IS the WHACKJOB religious. If you're not religious or ULTRA-RICH, you're not his base. Sorry, but you're not, you're just an unfortunate soul that got suckered into voting for him twice. Plus, I'm sure if he ordered troops to bomb an orphanage in Iraq, you'd have no problem with it.

actually, the ultra rich aren't his base either.
 

Steeplerot

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Originally posted by: JustAnAverageGuy
Originally posted by: UglyCasanova
Completely off topic, but I'm just curious. Not an attack or anything, but Steeplerot: why do you format your posts the way you do?

Do you mean why he posts like this
all the time?
I don't know but maybe you should ask him why he posts really oddly. It would probably be better if you asked him in a private
message though.

Probably the same reason I only have one or two sentences per line.

It helps me seperate my thoughts. It's easier to read.

It's just a habit :)


I will try to space things out ok?
My bad, I know it get's pretty squishy.
 

DanJ

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And why would we push scientific and medical advancements...I mean that could lead to new jobs, improved national and global health, energy independence, etc...

So yea Dobson has gotta veto that...err...Bush I mean.
 

Gigantopithecus

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Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
If the president does veto this, I hope it gets overturned.

Aye.

I just don't like the fact that our religiously-motivated president, a schmuck who can't even say "nuclear" correctly, is deciding the course of scientific research in this country.


Couldn't have said it better myself.
 

BDawg

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I like that our President who has declared himself a uniter, not a divider is going to use his first veto to kill a bill that brought together Republicans and Democrats.

Uniter as long as you believe in ultra-right wing religous ideology
 

Pepsei

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It might not even go thru the senate, fillibuster will be used on this. how ironic.
 

DanJ

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Originally posted by: Pepsei
It might not even go thru the senate, fillibuster will be used on this. how ironic.
I doubt anyone will filibuster on the bill in the Senate.
 

Darkhawk28

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

His base IS the WHACKJOB religious. If you're not religious or ULTRA-RICH, you're not his base. Sorry, but you're not, you're just an unfortunate soul that got suckered into voting for him twice. Plus, I'm sure if he ordered troops to bomb an orphanage in Iraq, you'd have no problem with it.

actually, the ultra rich aren't his base either.

Actually, he did say at a fundraiser that the rich elite WERE his base.
 

shurato

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Originally posted by: BDawg
I like that our President who has declared himself a uniter, not a divider is going to use his first veto to kill a bill that brought together Republicans and Democrats.

Uniter as long as you believe in ultra-right wing religous ideology

I think he just meant he was a uniter for the right wing.... some were stupid to believe he meant the left and the right together. I haven't lived long enough to witness and understand presidents before Reagan... has there ever been a US President hated this much in our history before? I mean that's gotta mean something...even for the staunch Bush supporters our there, don't you think that something just isn't right about this guy?
 

Crimson

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Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: Crimson
Old people should get out of the way for younger people too.. you don't have the capacity to learn much anymore, and you are just taking up resources.
If you're talking about me, your mouth is outrunning your knowledge, as well as your common sense.

Find someone else to attack personally, or STFU. You won't be happy with any other course of action.

Since when is saying old people are just taking up resources a personal attack on you? I think you might be a little paranoid or worried about your age and capacity.. LOL.. calm down man you might pop a vein. Oh, and since you can't seem to come up with an argument against GWB other than he is 'stupid', I'm not real concerned about MY level of knowledge..
 

Steeplerot

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looking like a complete uncaring assh0le does nothing for your arguement crimson, give your hate a rest.

I am sure there are some pictures of some dead iraqi children from americas steaming hard man cannon on the internet's seedier side you can take your aggressions "out" on.
 

Crimson

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Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Ahh the banter of youth, you will grow up someday Crimson, trust me and you will understand there is more to life then youth.
When you are younger you think you know it all already, get a bit older and you learn that there is so much you never knew you have not been taught yet -the beauty of experience and wisdom.
Every day is a lesson, you will see.

My guess is that I am older than you.. If I am, does that make you wrong? Because I have more life experience? Or does life experience only matter when its LIBERAL life experience? My grandfather died at age 88 a STAUNCH conservative, he was neither rich, and he pretty much despised religion. How does that fit into your stereotype?
 

Steeplerot

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thing is you are not a conservative.

You are a wanna-be-fascist self serving neocon, why disrespect your gramps like that?

he probaly fought against the same type of people in ww2 you suck up to now to.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Originally posted by: Crimson
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
If the president does veto this, I hope it gets overturned.

Aye.

I just don't like the fact that our religiously-motivated president, a schmuck who can't even say "nuclear" correctly, is deciding the course of scientific research in this country.

Politically, this is a disaster for Shrub. If he doesn't sign the bill, he will dubbed as anti-healthcare and alienate more people in the mainstream. If he does sign the bill, he upsets his whackjob religious base.

Politically GWB could order troops to bomb an orphanage, he can't run again, so politically there are very few ramifications. But thanks for showing your enlightened and tolerant attitude by once again resorting to name calling and insults.

His base IS the WHACKJOB religious. If you're not religious or ULTRA-RICH, you're not his base. Sorry, but you're not, you're just an unfortunate soul that got suckered into voting for him twice. Plus, I'm sure if he ordered troops to bomb an orphanage in Iraq, you'd have no problem with it.


Sucks to be you as it appears that means 51% of this country.


 

Steeplerot

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Originally posted by: Genx87


Sucks to be you as it appears that means 51% of this country.



more like just over 30%.

are you lying or just ignorant of how many people voted?
 

CellarDoor

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The point against GWB is obvious I thought. The only reasonable argument someone could put forth against this is if someone simply doesn't believe this type of thing should be funded by the government. However, Bush did say that he was going to pass the adult stem cell research bill, didn't he? So obviously he does believe in the government funding scientific research such as this. But Bush is against the embryonic stem cell research because it destroys human life to save human life. That argument is moot anyways, because these embryos would otherwise be discarded. So clearly, the only reason Bush is going to veto this, and the only reason he's talking about the death of embryos is to appease part of his base. He'll continue to talk about the destruction of human life and try to relate it to the democrats, and not mention that these embryos would be destroyed regardless.
 

Tab

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Originally posted by: Crimson
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
If the president does veto this, I hope it gets overturned.

Aye.

I just don't like the fact that our religiously-motivated president, a schmuck who can't even say "nuclear" correctly, is deciding the course of scientific research in this country.

Politically, this is a disaster for Shrub. If he doesn't sign the bill, he will dubbed as anti-healthcare and alienate more people in the mainstream. If he does sign the bill, he upsets his whackjob religious base.

Politically GWB could order troops to bomb an orphanage, he can't run again, so politically there are very few ramifications. But thanks for showing your enlightened and tolerant attitude by once again resorting to name calling and insults.

His base IS the WHACKJOB religious. If you're not religious or ULTRA-RICH, you're not his base. Sorry, but you're not, you're just an unfortunate soul that got suckered into voting for him twice. Plus, I'm sure if he ordered troops to bomb an orphanage in Iraq, you'd have no problem with it.


Sucks to be you as it appears that means 51% of this country.

HAHAHA!

The majority of this country doesn't even remotely fall into the generalization of "Wackjob Religious".

Bush being a complete idiot on this issuse and being the biatch of the religious fundies.

 

Umberger

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Originally posted by: Astaroth33
If the president does veto this, I hope it gets overturned.

so do I. I just can't image how he can be against something that has the potential to be so incredibly beneficial to society, and the world in general. i don't really agree, but I can at least see where he is coming from with his opinions about not wanting to kill "living things" in the name of research, but what about embryos that are going to be aborted regardless? there are many ways to aquire stem cells, i really hope this bill passes, and if it gets vetoed on george's desk, i hope it gets the 2/3 it needs.
 

DanJ

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Slate shows off Bush's hypocrisy when it comes to Stem Cell research compared to the Death Penalty:
http://slate.msn.com/id/2119512/

A sample:

"The President is committed to medical research that does not violate the dignity of human life or exploit one human life for the benefit of another."
?White House fact sheet, State of the Union, Feb. 2, 2005

"I happen to believe that the death penalty, when properly applied, saves lives of others. And so I'm comfortable with my beliefs that there's no contradiction between the two."
?Bush, April 14, 2005
 

PatboyX

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Originally posted by: mribnik1
The point against GWB is obvious I thought. The only reasonable argument someone could put forth against this is if someone simply doesn't believe this type of thing should be funded by the government. However, Bush did say that he was going to pass the adult stem cell research bill, didn't he? So obviously he does believe in the government funding scientific research such as this. But Bush is against the embryonic stem cell research because it destroys human life to save human life. That argument is moot anyways, because these embryos would otherwise be discarded. So clearly, the only reason Bush is going to veto this, and the only reason he's talking about the death of embryos is to appease part of his base. He'll continue to talk about the destruction of human life and try to relate it to the democrats, and not mention that these embryos would be destroyed regardless.


well, bush has already vowed to stop this thing years ago. and i believe that he does not back down from his purpose. i think there has been a lot of new information coming out about the nature of this research and how it came be used and what a waste the stem cells would endure. the bill does not prevent the "snowflake" type adoption programs that bush talks about (ironically, bush said "these embyrios are human lives and not to be exploited" while standing in a room full of children made from adopted one, for a photo-op and to help push his own agenda. one might consider that explotation) and these are slated to be destroyed.
they are either thrown away or used for research. while adult cells have shown great results they have limited uses and it is believed that these cells, when research is done enough to learn how to get success like with adult cells, they are much more adaptable and will have uses beyond the adult.
 

ciba

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I'm opposed to the stem cell bill for an entirely different reason. I think the federal government has no justification to pay for this.

For those of you that disagree: If stem cell research has as much potential as people claim there is, why isn't there more private funding for it. This bill is not about authorizing or prohibiting the research, but rather about paying for it with government money.
 

DanJ

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Originally posted by: ciba
I'm opposed to the stem cell bill for an entirely different reason. I think the federal government has no justification to pay for this.

For those of you that disagree: If stem cell research has as much potential as people claim there is, why isn't there more private funding for it. This bill is not about authorizing or prohibiting the research, but rather about paying for it with government money.

So you don't think the government should encourage scientific and technological innovation that would result in the US becoming a pioneer in a given field thus creating new jobs, bringing in new scientists from around the world, creating new exports, etc..etc..

Stagnation is better aye? Yea, instead of funding stem cell research lets dump $150 million into abstinance only education that teaches children that HIV can be spread via sweat and tears and girls shouldn't question their mates as it'll make them seek other women.
 

ciba

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Originally posted by: DanJ
Originally posted by: ciba
I'm opposed to the stem cell bill for an entirely different reason. I think the federal government has no justification to pay for this.

For those of you that disagree: If stem cell research has as much potential as people claim there is, why isn't there more private funding for it. This bill is not about authorizing or prohibiting the research, but rather about paying for it with government money.

So you don't think the government should encourage scientific and technological innovation that would result in the US becoming a pioneer in a given field thus creating new jobs, bringing in new scientists from around the world, creating new exports, etc..etc..

Stagnation is better aye? Yea, instead of funding stem cell research lets dump $150 million into abstinance only education that teaches children that HIV can be spread via sweat and tears and girls shouldn't question their mates as it'll make them seek other women.

First, supporting research and footing the bill are not one and the same. I support private firms investing in stem cell research. I even support states (California, for example) supporting it with their own tax dollars.

Which amendments to the constition do you like? The tenth apparently isn't on your list.

As for your second comment, I dont' see how it relates to my statements. Can you make a link somehow, or is it just extra information without purpose?
 

CellarDoor

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Originally posted by: ciba
I'm opposed to the stem cell bill for an entirely different reason. I think the federal government has no justification to pay for this.

For those of you that disagree: If stem cell research has as much potential as people claim there is, why isn't there more private funding for it. This bill is not about authorizing or prohibiting the research, but rather about paying for it with government money.


So then you'd also be against the adult stem cell research bill that Bush said he wouldn't veto, correct?