Looks like planned parenthood is going to be mad - Kermit Gosnell guilty

[ivwshane]

For the sake of upholding our humanity.

What does that say about our society when we allow certain groups to ignore the rights of others? Wasn't the klan demonized for ignoring the rights of blacks? Aren't conservatives demonized for ignoring gay rights?

Would society tolerate skin heads ignoring the death of black children? What about the black panthers? Or would it be all over the press?

But yet we turn a blind eye to PP ignoring the deaths of 3 children with the excuse it is not part of their "mission?"

I don't know but I'm not aware of any group that cares about all rights or all people but I guess if you think they should then I can see why you would be outraged.


I did enjoy your little rant though! I'll be sure to remind you of this post when you overlook other groups/people's rights.😉

 

[umbrella39]

Planned Parenthood != Kermit Gosnell

OP is yet another pathetic fabricator who can't make an accurate thread Title. Is this the new norm for the GOP fanbois here? Your elected officials are still pretending they won in November so it's not too surprising to see their fanboi sheep following lockstep.

Grow up boys, you can make points without resorting to making stuff up.

 

[Texashiker]

I don't know but I'm not aware of any group that cares about all rights or all people but I guess if you think they should then I can see why you would be outraged.

Last time I looked, most groups, no matter how vial, do not ignore the deaths of children.

If a group does ignore the deaths of children, they are promptly crucified in forum of public opinion.

Planned Parenthood != Kermit Gosnell

If you think that is what this thread is about, you are mistaken.

How much contempt must a group have to ignore the rights, and the deaths of children?

 

[ivwshane]

Last time I looked, most groups, no matter how vial, do not ignore the deaths of children.

If a group does ignore the deaths of children, they are promptly crucified in forum of public opinion.




If you think that is what this thread is about, you are mistaken.

Ah, I must have missed the NRA's out reach to children after sandy hook. I also must have missed the tea parties platform on children's rights and their response to sandy hook. Did CPAC also address children's rights or talk about sandy hook?

 

[Texashiker]

Ah, I must have missed the NRA's out reach to children after sandy hook. I also must have missed the tea parties platform on children's rights and their response to sandy hook. Did CPAC also address children's rights or talk about sandy hook?

Like this?

http://articles.washingtonpost.com/...1_mayhem-with-minimum-risk-nra-wayne-lapierre

The National Rifle Association -- 4 million mothers, fathers, sons and daughters -- join the nation in horror, outrage, grief, and earnest prayer for the families of Newtown, Connecticut, who have suffered such an incomprehensible loss as a result of this unspeakable crime.

You want to compare Gosnell to sandy hook? That might be a good comparison. Now we need tougher laws on abortion.

 

[ivwshane]

Like this?

http://articles.washingtonpost.com/...1_mayhem-with-minimum-risk-nra-wayne-lapierre



You want to compare Gosnell to sandy hook? That might be a good comparison. Now we need tougher laws on abortion.

Well that was one for three.

Yes we should have tougher abortion laws because they worked so well in the past.

Let me just save us some time: you know how you feel about the 2nd amendment and all the reasons you disagree with any laws regarding the second amendment? Apply that same reasoning to abortion and abortion rights.

I suspect now, after having done the above, you will change your position because you aren't a hypocrite. Right?

 

[Texashiker]

I suspect now, after having done the above, you will change your position because you aren't a hypocrite. Right?

Not sure I understand your statement?

Apply that same reasoning to abortion and abortion rights.

This thread is about affirming the rights of a child born alive, not abortion rights in general.

 

[nehalem256]

Your comparison is not really a good comparison (not that you care) but it is more like the fact that killing a rat is considered ok but killing a cat would be cruelty to animals.

My comparison is perfectly fair. Setting the maximum gestational age at 24 is basically arbitrary. Setting the speed limit at 60mph is basically arbitrary.

Bypassing an arbitrary limit by <10% is not an appalling crime.

You just dislike my comparison because it makes perfectly clear how absurd the standard pro-choice position is, because they shouldn't be outraged by this case.

 

[LightPattern]

Not sure I understand your statement?

This thread is about affirming the rights of a child born alive, not abortion rights in general.

Don't worry much about it. Most of those arguing with you are relying on their preconceptions and not looking to understand what you've repeated several times here.

See:

In the thread I linked to in the opening post
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The question presented to the lady representing PP was if a child was born alive during a botched abortion, what should happen to that child. She refused to answer the question as what should happen to the child. She said the decision should be left to the mother, her family and the doctor.

At no time have I seen PP affirm the rights of the child to live if born during a botched abortion.

While PP has refused to affirm the rights of the rights of the child, a jury has.

 

[umbrella39]

Hmm... interesting take on the OP's statements LightPattern considering...

"Planned Parenthood applauded the verdict on Monday, saying in a statement that "The jury has punished Kermit Gosnell for his appalling crimes." Right from the OP's link.

Not exactly refusing to affirm the rights of a child to live during a botched illegal abortion now is it...

See LP... the OP's agenda is crystal clear to those of us without reading comprehension issues. He is full of shit. Planned Parenthood belongs and deserves NO place next to this doctors name in the OP's title as this hasn't a GD thing to do with them and PP as a whole.

Disingenuous OP is Disingenuous. The only thing "Planned" in this story was the OP's obfuscation and trying to drag down PP with this monster.

<Golf clap>

EDIT: Before OP chimes in with his but, but, but my other link nonsense... start another diversion thread then. PP does not support killing babies born alive during illegal late term abortions no matter how you try to spin this.

 

[HomerJS]

Top news story on CNN, HLN and at times Fox news. MSNBC is basically not covering it at all. Both MSNBC and Fox are going back and forth on Benghazi.

Funny I saw it on RM's show this eve. Or is the definition of basically mean you didn't see it???

 

[LightPattern]

"Planned Parenthood applauded the verdict on Monday, saying in a statement that "The jury has punished Kermit Gosnell for his appalling crimes." Right from the OP's link.

Not exactly refusing to affirm the rights of a child to live during a botched illegal abortion now is it...

Planned Parenthood belongs and deserves NO place next to this doctors name in the OP's title as this hasn't a GD thing to do with them and PP as a whole.

Disingenuous OP is Disingenuous. The only thing "Planned" in this story was the OP's obfuscation and trying to drag down PP with this monster.

EDIT: Before OP chimes in with his but, but, but my other link nonsense... start another diversion thread then. PP does not support killing babies born alive during illegal late term abortions no matter how you try to spin this.

Much more interesting than your previous post! Thank you.

PP is distancing themselves from a recognized monster. They obviously don't want any parallels drawn.

I don't see this as PP recognizing the rights of unborn children.

 

[SheHateMe]

Thread title is intentionally misleading.

 

[nehalem256]

Hmm... interesting take on the OP's statements LightPattern considering...

"Planned Parenthood applauded the verdict on Monday, saying in a statement that "The jury has punished Kermit Gosnell for his appalling crimes." Right from the OP's link.

Not exactly refusing to affirm the rights of a child to live during a botched illegal abortion now is it...

See LP... the OP's agenda is crystal clear to those of us without reading comprehension issues. He is full of shit. Planned Parenthood belongs and deserves NO place next to this doctors name in the OP's title as this hasn't a GD thing to do with them and PP as a whole.

Disingenuous OP is Disingenuous. The only thing "Planned" in this story was the OP's obfuscation and trying to drag down PP with this monster.

<Golf clap>

EDIT: Before OP chimes in with his but, but, but my other link nonsense... start another diversion thread then. PP does not support killing babies born alive during illegal late term abortions no matter how you try to spin this.

Well lets look at what PP said:

"This verdict will ensure that no woman is victimized by Kermit Gosnell ever again," said Planned Parenthood spokesman Eric Ferrero. "This case has made clear that we must have and enforce laws that protect access to safe and legal abortion, and we must reject misguided laws that would limit women's options and force them to seek treatment from criminals like Kermit Gosnell."

Well what you are saying is technically true it is entirely misleading. PP wants there to be no illegal abortions, so in PP's world it would literally be impossible to kill a baby born alive during an illegal late term abortion because late term abortions would be legal.

What PP is upset with is that Gosnell mistreated women, not that he killed babies.

 

[Texashiker]

He is full of shit. Planned Parenthood belongs and deserves NO place next to this doctors name in the OP's title as this hasn't a GD thing to do with them and PP as a whole.

Show me where PP affirmed the rights of children born alive during a botched abortion.

Thread title is intentionally misleading.

How is that?

As far as I know PP has posted no comments upholding the rights of children born alive during an abortion. When the question came up during the Florida hearings, the PP rep skirted the question.

A jury has affirmed the rights of children born during a botched abortion. Now PP must face the reality of the questions presented in Florida and the situation that sometimes children are born alive during an abortion.

If a child is born alive during a botched abortion, and the doctor kills the child like what Gosnell did, is the mother and accessory to murder? Which is another question PP will probably ignore.

~ EDIT ~

Nor has PP posted comments on the responsibility of the mother if a child is born alive. If a child is born alive a mother can not allow someone to injure the child, nor can she abandon the child.

According to the PP rep in the florida hearings, what happens to a child born alive should be between the mother and the doctor. Which we now see is incorrect.

 

[IBMer]

The Florida issue is COMPLETELY different. Its all about needing access to a hospital in order to perform abortions. As what has happened in other states, the hospitals don't give access to clinics aren't allowed to perform abortions and thus the law circumvents the right to an abortion. That is exactly what the PP woman is talking about.

 

[Texashiker]

The Florida issue is COMPLETELY different. Its all about needing access to a hospital in order to perform abortions.

You are ignoring my questions, just like other people in this thread.

The PP rep in the florida hearings skirted a direct question asking about what should happen to a child if it was born alive during a botched abortion.

The PP rep said the answer to that question should be left to the mother and the doctor, which we now know is incorrect.

 

[nehalem256]

The Florida issue is COMPLETELY different. Its all about needing access to a hospital in order to perform abortions. As what has happened in other states, the hospitals don't give access to clinics aren't allowed to perform abortions and thus the law circumvents the right to an abortion. That is exactly what the PP woman is talking about.

What a crazy idea having surgeries done in hospitals 🙄

The right to an abortion does not mean that hospitals are required to perform elective abortions. Just like the right to free speech does not mean the Kinko's is required to print Neo-Nazi pamphlets.

 

[zsdersw]

PP can issue a statement saying anything. It doesn't mean they really believe.

You can type anything you want on forums like this. It doesn't mean you really believe what you type.

 

[Jaskalas]

How can he be guilty of murder?

If the children were killed INSIDE the womb, then it wouldn't have been murder. Changing the order of the "procedure" does not change the results. The intention is to kill the children and it's perfectly legal one way.

Why bicker over the means to kill?

 

[nehalem256]

How can he be guilty of murder?

If the children were killed INSIDE the womb, then it wouldn't have been murder. Changing the order of the "procedure" does not change the results. The intention is to kill the children and it's perfectly legal one way.

Why bicker over the means to kill?

Killing a fetus at 26 weeks instead of 24 weeks is "appalling".

Removing the fetus and then killing it instead of killing it and then removing is "appalling".

This case exposes the full insanity of the pro-choice position.

 

[IBMer]

What a crazy idea having surgeries done in hospitals 🙄

The right to an abortion does not mean that hospitals are required to perform elective abortions. Just like the right to free speech does not mean the Kinko's is required to print Neo-Nazi pamphlets.

This isn't about the hospitals allowing the abortions. Its about care when something goes wrong.

 

[lilrayray69]

Yea it's all kind of in the details. Taking the baby/fetus out and then snipping it's neck seems like a pretty horrifying thing, and the results about the same as killing it in the womb via a chemical concoction or vacuum may seem more humane as you don't really see it die or anything...but the result is the same.

Anyway, planned parenthood I don't think had anything to do with this guy so I'm not sure why the connections being made so much. It'd be like going to Susan G. Komen for a response after someone performed a botched mastectomy which killed a woman (not the best comparison I'm sure)

 

[Atreus21]

Planned Parenthood was one of the plaintiffs challenging the partial-birth abortion ban.

I'd like to know on what grounds they celebrate this verdict while supporting partial-birth abortion.

 

[Nintendesert]

Killing any human that far along in the gestation period is fucking disgusting. Anyone defending it needs to go educate themselves in just how developed that human is at 26 weeks. It's not just some clump of cells and at that point. This guy sounds like a complete wacked out individual not only on how the killed delivered babies but also on how he stored the remains. Just a really sick individual.