Looks like PC gaming will survive after all

[MJinZ]

PC Gaming is dead outside of a few select titles

 

[MJinZ]

I really don't understand the hate for games that are not PC exclusive. Who cares if console gamers get to play them as well? Sure, you have those bad ports, but aren't there more PC exclusives over the years that suffer far worse problems than this perceived "consolitis"?

People bitch about the stupid things. Example: Mass Effect and ME2 were great games. I played it on PC and had no problems with the menus. 10 years ago, if such a game were released, people wouldn't have batted an eye at "consolitis".

PC gamers, just get over it already. Nobody cares that you think you're better than console players. If you actually think you are, let me ask you this: How's Assassin Creed 2?

Imagine you paid for a really really really big penis.

And instead of smoking hot girls, you have to have sex with nasty, gross or fat ones.

The other guy paid for an average sized penis, and gets to have sex with the same nasty, gross, fat ones, with occasionally an average looking one.

PC gamers have very expensive PCs (expensive large penis) while Console gamers have inexpensive consoles (cheap average sized penis), so that is exactly why PC gamers whine all day.

And yea, technically, the more expensive larger penis is better.

Like a Ferrari is better than a Corolla.

Neither are much good at driving in 12 feet of snow though.

 

[smackababy]

You've used penis far to many times to be taken seriously.

 

[Lonyo]

Imagine you paid for a really really really big penis.

And instead of smoking hot girls, you have to have sex with nasty, gross or fat ones.

The other guy paid for an average sized penis, and gets to have sex with the same nasty, gross, fat ones, with occasionally an average looking one.

PC gamers have very expensive PCs (expensive large penis) while Console gamers have inexpensive consoles (cheap average sized penis), so that is exactly why PC gamers whine all day.

And yea, technically, the more expensive larger penis is better.

Like a Ferrari is better than a Corolla.

Neither are much good at driving in 12 feet of snow though.

My PC can play games, and the core components (CPU+mobo+graphics card + RAM) were as much as a PS3. And I would have needed a PC anyway because they are generally useful.

The expense of a gaming PC over a normal PC (assuming desktop) is about the same as the cost of a console. Most people find PCs quite useful, although laptops are more than half of all PC sales, but there's no big penis issue when it comes to getting a gaming capable PC.

 

[smackababy]

My PC can play games, and the core components (CPU+mobo+graphics card + RAM) were as much as a PS3. And I would have needed a PC anyway because they are generally useful.

The expense of a gaming PC over a normal PC (assuming desktop) is about the same as the cost of a console. Most people find PCs quite useful, although laptops are more than half of all PC sales, but there's no big penis issue when it comes to getting a gaming capable PC.

But there is plenty of "sky is falling" type bitching and whining about PC gaming being in decline despite healthy sales and growth over the past years.

I remember when I knew 4 or 5 people who had ever thought of PC gaming, and now everyone knows about it.

 

[simonizor]

The PS3 and the 360 separate themselves from the Wii because they have the power to play the more complex and better looking graphically games that the Wii can't handle. Also, unless you use the classic controller, the Wii only has one real method of control: motion controls. The PS3 and the 360 still have their regular controls for more complex games. Sure, they're going to get a flood of crap games that the Wii is famous for now that they have motion controls, but that doesn't mean that all of the other developers are just going to stop making regular games from them.

 

[smackababy]

So, you're saying that developers that did not jump on board of the Wii's motion gimmick aren't going to jump on board MS and Sony's? I find that hard to believe. Clearly, the Xbox and the Playstation are doomed to "fail" like the Wii did.

 

[AstroManLuca]

 

[quadomatic]

Sure, they're going to get a flood of crap games that the Wii is famous for now that they have motion controls, but that doesn't mean that all of the other developers are just going to stop making regular games from them.

Developing those triple-A titles that hardcore gamers love costs boatloads of money.

By adding motion controls, the 360 and the PS3 have outlets through which publishers can put out low cost games with high profitability and very short development time.

If they don't have to spend as much money and resources to make a game that brings in even MORE money, why would publishers bother putting out stuff for hardcore gamers? This is the thinking that killed any chance of innovative, "hardcore" games coming out for the Wii - not the lack of a standard controller.

PC gamers have very expensive PCs (expensive large penis) while Console gamers have inexpensive consoles (cheap average sized penis), so that is exactly why PC gamers whine all day.

Actually, my previous gaming PC had cost much less than a 360 or PS3, and it ran everything just fine:

E2200 @ 2.8Ghz
ECS 945GCTM-1333 v3 mobo (cpu+mobo combo, $80)
4GB ram ($20)
eVGA 9600GSO 384MB ($14)
Samsung DVD Burner ($20)
575 Watt PSU ($40)
Cooler Master HyperTX2 ($2)
Western Digital 160 GB Hard Drive (leftover...but would probably have been $50 TOPS)

Total was about $230, but I only paid $180 since I didn't have to buy a new hard drive.

On top of that, I don't pay nearly as much for PC games as console gamers pay for their 360s and PS3s. PC games have a lower MSRP, and they're constantly on sale on Amazon and Steam. Add to that not having to pay for Xbox Live, a $100 wi-fi adapter, other expensive proprietary peripherals...

My current system just upgraded the CPU (and cooler), mobo and hard drive (the video card I got as a gift after I fried my old one when I botched a volt mod, and it's the same performance wise...so just pretend it's the 9600GSO).

The upgrade cost me about $250 (You get what you pay for with quad core, new motherboard and Freezer 7 Pro), but I'll be okay with this for a good while. Some might argue against the 9800GT, but honestly, it's doing just fine at max settings and 4x AA.

 

[Dumac]

The hardcore gamers have been on the PC since the days of Doom. I don't know why you'd think otherwise. PC has the most competitive games ever released short of the fighting games genre (thankfully we did get SF4!) However, games like Quake, Counter-Strike, and Starcraft defined a generation of competitive gaming.

Yes, because hardcore gamers are those that play games from a decade ago.

No, hardcore gamers would realize the potential of all platforms and wouldn't let silly biases get in the way.

Most PC titles that aren't any more "hardcore" than console titles. The top PC gamers aren't any more hardcore than the top console gamers.

It has been years since I've played a non-rehashed PC title.

 

[triggerpappy]

Farmville will save us all.

LoL it is on a PC


The Death of PC has been overated.

PC games outsells all the consoles when taken individually. It just doesn't outsell all the consoles together.

PC out sells 360, PS3 and Wii just not all together.

 

[styrafoam]

I really don't understand the hate for games that are not PC exclusive. Who cares if console gamers get to play them as well? Sure, you have those bad ports, but aren't there more PC exclusives over the years that suffer far worse problems than this perceived "consolitis"?

People bitch about the stupid things. Example: Mass Effect and ME2 were great games. I played it on PC and had no problems with the menus. 10 years ago, if such a game were released, people wouldn't have batted an eye at "consolitis".

PC gamers, just get over it already. Nobody cares that you think you're better than console players. If you actually think you are, let me ask you this: How's Assassin Creed 2?

Yeah, the 3rd person button mashers are a sore spot for sure.

No they aren't, keep them.

I dont think its so much that people think they are better, it just unwillingness to accept closed environment of console games that tends to be perceived that way.

It really blew up with the first halo, tons of kids going crazy for multiplayer that was painfully hobbled compared to what was available on the pc. Multiply that for every big release since then and it just gets magnified a billion times over. If you think that aiming with a pad is better than a KB+mouse, you are delusional. If you think that your multiplayer options or customizability with a console are better than what kind of options you would have on the pc then you are, again, delusional.

There are people happily playing 15 year old multiplayer games on thier pc because end user enthusiasts are able to keep them alive. On the console you get to worry about the publisher ending multiplayer support after 1 year, or paying $15 dollars for maps you dont care to have but buy anyways for sake of not being left out. Thats progress for sure, better in every way. Or its a small case of consolitis, depending on which camp you reside in. By all means though, play what you enjoy.

Its obvious that money talks. Publishers are trying to move developers towards the tight reined micro transaction environment of the console. That won't ever kill pc gaming, no matter what the random internet pessimist has to say.

 

[BladeVenom]

ITT PC gamers pretend that their best games are more "hardcore" than the best available on consoles

*snicker*

You're being a troll. Only an ignorant noob would think console games are as hardcore.

What console game is as hardcore as DCS Blackshark? Consoles have nothing when it comes to hardcore flying. Sims in general are just not on consoles. Strategy games are usually lacking on the console. Even the most epic RPGs like Baldur's Gate didn't make it to the console. The most popular MMO, WoW is PC only. Realistic shooters like the ARMA series are PC only.

Even a simple shooter like Unreal 3 had to be slowed down for the console players. You also hardly ever see any cross platform games where consoles gamers can play against PC gamers; consoles players couldn't handle it.

Hardcore also means mods, which eliminates 99% of console games. In that regard LittleBigPlanet is the most hardcore game on the consoles.

Then there's graphics. The consoles have to run the best looking games at under 720p. Consoles by comparison are still low definition, slow, and horrible looking compared to what can be done on the PC.

 

[Golgatha]

Pc gaming is dead bro. Xbox 360 @720p is where it's at. Gotta have my WWE raw And Tony Hawk foolz.

Yea, and you ain't got no Madden foolz!!!!!

Sorry, just had to complete the trifecta of console douchbaggery.

 

[smackababy]

You're being a troll. Only an ignorant noob would think console games are as hardcore.

What console game is as hardcore as DCS Blackshark? Consoles have nothing when it comes to hardcore flying. Sims in general are just not on consoles. Strategy games are usually lacking on the console. Even the most epic RPGs like Baldur's Gate didn't make it to the console. The most popular MMO, WoW is PC only. Realistic shooters like the ARMA series are PC only.

Even a simple shooter like Unreal 3 had to be slowed down for the console players. You also hardly ever see any cross platform games where consoles gamers can play against PC gamers; consoles players couldn't handle it.

Hardcore also means mods, which eliminates 99% of console games. In that regard LittleBigPlanet is the most hardcore game on the consoles.

Then there's graphics. The consoles have to run the best looking games at under 720p. Consoles by comparison are still low definition, slow, and horrible looking compared to what can be done on the PC.

Flight Sims, I'll give you that. They are almost PC exclusive. WoW is only not on a console because Blizzard can't figure out how to simplify the interface enough to work on a controller. Trust me, they would put WoW on the Xbox and the PS3 if they could. Baldur's Gate was released in 1998. I doubt I could play that on my Nintendo 64, nor would I want to. Consoles have this one RPG, it is pretty big, you may have heard of it: the Legend of Zelda. Strange how LoZ:OoT is regularly acknowledged as the best game of all time. That is pretty hardcore I'd say. Consoles also have the hardcore Demon's Souls, which is infuriatingly unforgiving.

If I recall correctly, in Shadowrun, it was the PC gamers who couldn't handle playing against Xbox360 players. They constantly cried and whined.

True, consoles can't play at 720p, but they also cost $200. Find me a game that can play BC2 at that resolution smoothly for $200.

 

[HomerX]

If I recall correctly, in Shadowrun, it was the PC gamers who couldn't handle playing against Xbox360 players. They constantly cried and whined.

Didn't Microsoft artifically slow down the PC control in order to make the game more balanced?
Do you really think that it is easier to run/aim with a pad compared to a kb+mouse?

Consoles have this one RPG, it is pretty big, you may have heard of it: the Legend of Zelda. Strange how LoZ:OoT is regularly acknowledged as the best game of all time. That is pretty hardcore I'd say.

good game = hardcore game?

what do you mean with "hardcore"?
Difficulty? Insane amount of options? Competitive gameplay?

For every "hardcore" console game you name there are 10 more "hardcore" pc games....

 

[smackababy]

Didn't Microsoft artifically slow down the PC control in order to make the game more balanced?
Do you really think that it is easier to run/aim with a pad compared to a kb+mouse?



good game = hardcore game?

what do you mean with "hardcore"?
Difficulty? Insane amount of options? Competitive gameplay?

For every "hardcore" console game you name there are 10 more "hardcore" pc games....

You know what, you're right. PC games are much more "hardcore". Hardcore: Stubbornly resistant to improvement or change. Sounds like PC gamers.

 

[HomerX]

You know what, you're right. PC games are much more "hardcore".

That wasn't my statement...
I Said that however you define "hardcore", chances are that there is a PC game that is more hardcore compared to the most hardcore console game..

if this is something good or not is left open...

Hardcore: Stubbornly resistant to improvement or change. Sounds like PC gamers.

Hmmm i always liked TBS Games like MoO/Civ/HoMM and RPGs with a detailed/complex skill system...
Should i "improve" or "change" to 3rdPerson Action RPGs, FPS and sports games because these are the new top selling console games?

 

[BladeVenom]

Trust me, they would put WoW on the Xbox and the PS3 if they could.

But they can't because consoles aren't hardcore enough to play it.

Consoles have this one RPG, it is pretty big, you may have heard of it: the Legend of Zelda.

You're mistaking popularity with hardcore. Jonas Brothers may be popular, but they aren't hardcore.

If I recall correctly, in Shadowrun, it was the PC gamers who couldn't handle playing against Xbox360 players. They constantly cried and whined.

The PC version was gimped with accuracy blowout when you move and extra recoil. While the 360 version cheated with aim assist.

You have proven my point with that example. Look at all that has to be done to make a console gamer competitive with a PC gamer.

True, consoles can't play at 720p, but they also cost $200. Find me a game that can play BC2 at that resolution smoothly for $200.

A $60 video card can easily run it better, if you already have a desktop computer.

You want to talk about total costs. PC games are usually $10 to $20 cheaper. They also get discounted faster. If you're a hardcore gamer and have lots of games, then PC gaming is cheaper than gaming on a console.

You also get more for your dollar. PC games get more free updates, and they also get mods. With many games I spend more time playing the mods than the actual game. I've filled my hard drives with 100's of gigabytes of free content. Enjoy paying for horse armor on a console.

Games also last longer. I can play 20 year old games that I already have on my current PC. How many 20 year old games can you plug into your current console?

 

[Dumac]

You're being a troll. Only an ignorant noob would think console games are as hardcore.

"ignorant noob"? You don't sound hardcore at all. More like a childish wanna-be.

What console game is as hardcore as DCS Blackshark? Consoles have nothing when it comes to hardcore flying. Sims in general are just not on consoles.

DCS Blackshark isn't even really a game. It isn't meant to be played for fun, but rather for study and learning purposes. This applies for a lot of simulation games as well.

Real simulation games are dead as a genre, and we are left with relics like Freespace 2 to acknowledge their past existance. However, nowadays, we pretty much have no equal, and DCS Blackshark doesn't even come close to a good or enjoyable game.

Strategy games are usually lacking on the console.

Yes, they do, but this is due to a lack of proper input for an RTS, not because RTS games are "hardcore" or anything like that.

Even the most epic RPGs like Baldur's Gate didn't make it to the console.

Yes, bring up a game from more than a decade ago in a dicussion about the current state of gaming. THAT MAKES SENSE! (not)

The only thing like Baldur's gate that has been released recently is Dragon Age, which (as you can guess) was multiplatform.

The most popular MMO, WoW is PC only. Realistic shooters like the ARMA series are PC only.

You're being a troll. Only an ignorant noob would think WoW hardcore.

Get that kiddy shit out of here 😉 FFXI is way more hardcore than WoW, and it's also on consoles.

Even a simple shooter like Unreal 3 had to be slowed down for the console players. You also hardly ever see any cross platform games where consoles gamers can play against PC gamers; consoles players couldn't handle it.

Again, this isn't because PC gamers are more hardcore, or better, than console gamers. It is a distinction in input control quality. To think otherwise is shortsighted and dumb.

Hardcore also means mods, which eliminates 99% of console games. In that regard LittleBigPlanet is the most hardcore game on the consoles.

Hello off-based statement from nowhere.

Then there's graphics. The consoles have to run the best looking games at under 720p. Consoles by comparison are still low definition, slow, and horrible looking compared to what can be done on the PC.

Oh god, graphics=hardcore? Really?

Why did I even reply to you?

 

[BladeVenom]

Why did I even reply to you?

Because you're a troll looking for more attention.

Nothing you say is worth taking seriously.

 

[k3n]

The motorsports simulator GTR2 is a 4 year old game that features the ability to easily run 45+ cars on track of different classes with real time sun/night simulation. Because of the ability to easily import mods to GTR2, individuals can easily convert 3d car models from newer games (including Xbox 360 games like Forza 3) that look much better in game than the default content. Best thing of all, its free.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

You're mistaking popularity with hardcore. Jonas Brothers may be popular, but they aren't hardcore.

As are you in the case of WoW. In the MMO genre, WoW is NOT hardcore. Far from it. It just happens to be the most popular MMO. Trust me, if the Xbox or PS3 came standard with a keyboard (or, at least, with some sort of controller with many more buttons/keys), Blizzard would have had a console version by now. In fact, they would be insane not to try it.

 

[MJinZ]

Developing those triple-A titles that hardcore gamers love costs boatloads of money.

By adding motion controls, the 360 and the PS3 have outlets through which publishers can put out low cost games with high profitability and very short development time.

If they don't have to spend as much money and resources to make a game that brings in even MORE money, why would publishers bother putting out stuff for hardcore gamers? This is the thinking that killed any chance of innovative, "hardcore" games coming out for the Wii - not the lack of a standard controller.



Actually, my previous gaming PC had cost much less than a 360 or PS3, and it ran everything just fine:

E2200 @ 2.8Ghz
ECS 945GCTM-1333 v3 mobo (cpu+mobo combo, $80)
4GB ram ($20)
eVGA 9600GSO 384MB ($14)
Samsung DVD Burner ($20)
575 Watt PSU ($40)
Cooler Master HyperTX2 ($2)
Western Digital 160 GB Hard Drive (leftover...but would probably have been $50 TOPS)

Total was about $230, but I only paid $180 since I didn't have to buy a new hard drive.

On top of that, I don't pay nearly as much for PC games as console gamers pay for their 360s and PS3s. PC games have a lower MSRP, and they're constantly on sale on Amazon and Steam. Add to that not having to pay for Xbox Live, a $100 wi-fi adapter, other expensive proprietary peripherals...

My current system just upgraded the CPU (and cooler), mobo and hard drive (the video card I got as a gift after I fried my old one when I botched a volt mod, and it's the same performance wise...so just pretend it's the 9600GSO).

The upgrade cost me about $250 (You get what you pay for with quad core, new motherboard and Freezer 7 Pro), but I'll be okay with this for a good while. Some might argue against the 9800GT, but honestly, it's doing just fine at max settings and 4x AA.

My RAM alone cost more than your whole system.

I don't think you are representative of what most people consider "gaming PCs".

Laptops would cream your system at this point.

 

[MJinZ]

Flight Sims, I'll give you that. They are almost PC exclusive. WoW is only not on a console because Blizzard can't figure out how to simplify the interface enough to work on a controller. Trust me, they would put WoW on the Xbox and the PS3 if they could. Baldur's Gate was released in 1998. I doubt I could play that on my Nintendo 64, nor would I want to. Consoles have this one RPG, it is pretty big, you may have heard of it: the Legend of Zelda. Strange how LoZ:OoT is regularly acknowledged as the best game of all time. That is pretty hardcore I'd say. Consoles also have the hardcore Demon's Souls, which is infuriatingly unforgiving.

If I recall correctly, in Shadowrun, it was the PC gamers who couldn't handle playing against Xbox360 players. They constantly cried and whined.

True, consoles can't play at 720p, but they also cost $200. Find me a game that can play BC2 at that resolution smoothly for $200.

Zelda is pathetic compared to Baldurs Gate.

It's like Pokemon compared to Lord of the Rings.

Just because all the kiddies go gaga over it, doesn't mean the grownups actually care. 🙄