It might be kind of fun to introduce one from each group to each other and then start a political conversation. Then get FAR away.
It might be kind of fun to introduce one from each group to each other and then start a political conversation. Then get FAR away.
glenn1
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Looks like you might be right. Of course, it also looks like Obrador is showing why he's known as a sore loser.... refusing to concede, refusing a recount by the legal method, vowing to file a legal challenge
"2006 QoL Index
http://www.finfacts.com/irelandbusinessnews/publish/article_10005484.shtml
First american city you will find is #27 (Honoloulu) The rest are democratic socialist countries.
America has a big problem and we are headed downhill, I know right wingers love to cry about how socialism is a failure, but reality has altogether another story."
....What makes one person's quality of life better or worse cannot be quantified in an objective index. Therefore, this particular Quality of Living report reflects only the tangible aspects of living in a city on expatriate assignments, and leaves the question of the quality of one's life to those living it.....
http://www.finfacts.com/irelandbusinessnews/publish/article_10005484.shtml
First american city you will find is #27 (Honoloulu) The rest are democratic socialist countries.
America has a big problem and we are headed downhill, I know right wingers love to cry about how socialism is a failure, but reality has altogether another story."
....What makes one person's quality of life better or worse cannot be quantified in an objective index. Therefore, this particular Quality of Living report reflects only the tangible aspects of living in a city on expatriate assignments, and leaves the question of the quality of one's life to those living it.....
Interesting considering the fact that Hawaii has a really high cost of living and the fact that they have less freedoms than people living in other states do.
But anyways back to the main point of this thread, yeah looks like Calderon won, which will hopefully be good news for Mexico and for us, and hopefully will continue to further our relations with them.
United States of North America 4tw.
So does that mean that Mexico is better then lets say Germany? Has Iran a higher standard of living then Switzerland?
I don't know about you but to me it seems that natural resources have little to do with the well beeing of a country and his citizens. The form of goverment and economy has a far more important role then this.
Jaskalas
Lifer
- Jun 23, 2004
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With the freedom to do otherwise taken away, it forced down our throats by the government after it has given itself the authority to remove our freedoms. Liberals everywhere should be applauding the Republicans and their Patriot Act for doing this for them, now there is little law left standing in their way of dictating to us their grand idea of infinite taxation.
Through the will to do good, you will hand government more power to do the greatest evils that you will never understand until they come knocking on your door. As mentioned with Russia, the communists were grand idealists who saw fit to do great good, until after them came Stalin whom they allowed to flourish under such strong government rule.
If you decry Bush a dictator, just wait until you continue to grow government and then you will finally see that Russia and China?s path only comes naturally once you give a tyrant the method to their madness.
The people should rule government, not government rule the people as you wish to have it.
It's obviously the 'gimme' type people are they are far less likely to be accomplished under any means.
I visited Denmark and all the ****** was expensive, it was like being inside Disneyland and paying $5 for a hot dog. I found some interesting info:
The Taxes
Denmark is the master of tax. According to international statistics, Denmark has the highest overall taxation in the world. The following is a selection of the taxes:
* A complex system of income taxes takes up to about 70% of peoples' salaries.
* Plundering of personal pension funds. One of the underlying principles is that the funds are allowed to grow with the inflation plus 2-3%. Any revenue above that is confiscated as tax. In fact, the calculations are so complex that it's impossible for anyone to verify them.
* The Value Added Tax is the highest in the European Union with 25% on all products and services, food and children's articles included.
* Excise duties ("punktafgifter") add some extra tax to specific products like alcohol, tobacco, chocolate, soft drinks, packaging, matches and petrol. The excise duty is calculated on the goods and the VAT, resulting in a system where one pays tax on tax.
* Car registration tax of 180% of the car and the VAT (the first 45.000 kr. are taxed "only" at 90%, and there are deductions for some safety equipment). Note that this includes a "tax tax" because the registration tax is also calculated on the VAT.
* Annual road tax of about 2500 kr. for a family saloon car.
* Tax on car insurance.
* Fuel tax.
* Energy taxes.
* Green taxes.
* Driving licence tax.
* The European Union's most expensive television licence of 1894 kr. a year.
* Various stamp duties, such as 600 kr. for a passport.
* Tax on the number plates for cars of about 1200 kr.
* Full income tax on all savings interests and capital gains. Many countries have taxfree schemes to encourage individual savings. Not Denmark.
* Worldwide property tax.
* Another tax on owned property. This used to be called tax of lejeværdi af egen bolig (letting value of own habitation). The communist principle behind it was that the habitation represents a potential taxable letting income. The letting value was calculated on a progressive scale from 2.5% to 7.5% of the public valuation. The letting value was added to the personal income before income tax was calculated. Thus, one paid tax of an income one never had. The principles have now been changed in order to hide the fraudulent nature of this tax.
* Inheritance tax.
* Emigration tax.
http://www.skovgaard.org/europe/denmark.htm#tax
The Taxes
Denmark is the master of tax. According to international statistics, Denmark has the highest overall taxation in the world. The following is a selection of the taxes:
* A complex system of income taxes takes up to about 70% of peoples' salaries.
* Plundering of personal pension funds. One of the underlying principles is that the funds are allowed to grow with the inflation plus 2-3%. Any revenue above that is confiscated as tax. In fact, the calculations are so complex that it's impossible for anyone to verify them.
* The Value Added Tax is the highest in the European Union with 25% on all products and services, food and children's articles included.
* Excise duties ("punktafgifter") add some extra tax to specific products like alcohol, tobacco, chocolate, soft drinks, packaging, matches and petrol. The excise duty is calculated on the goods and the VAT, resulting in a system where one pays tax on tax.
* Car registration tax of 180% of the car and the VAT (the first 45.000 kr. are taxed "only" at 90%, and there are deductions for some safety equipment). Note that this includes a "tax tax" because the registration tax is also calculated on the VAT.
* Annual road tax of about 2500 kr. for a family saloon car.
* Tax on car insurance.
* Fuel tax.
* Energy taxes.
* Green taxes.
* Driving licence tax.
* The European Union's most expensive television licence of 1894 kr. a year.
* Various stamp duties, such as 600 kr. for a passport.
* Tax on the number plates for cars of about 1200 kr.
* Full income tax on all savings interests and capital gains. Many countries have taxfree schemes to encourage individual savings. Not Denmark.
* Worldwide property tax.
* Another tax on owned property. This used to be called tax of lejeværdi af egen bolig (letting value of own habitation). The communist principle behind it was that the habitation represents a potential taxable letting income. The letting value was calculated on a progressive scale from 2.5% to 7.5% of the public valuation. The letting value was added to the personal income before income tax was calculated. Thus, one paid tax of an income one never had. The principles have now been changed in order to hide the fraudulent nature of this tax.
* Inheritance tax.
* Emigration tax.
http://www.skovgaard.org/europe/denmark.htm#tax
Here's some more info on that site:
The Political Parties
Denmark has at least ten socialist-communist parties and one or two centre parties. One of the socialist parties is named the Conservative People Party in order to fool the electors. You may find this description absurd, but the explanation is that the whole political spectre in Denmark has been slided to the far left. On an absolute political scale, British Labour is more to the right than any Danish party. Denmark has had socialist rule as long as anyone can remember (despite the so-called Conservative Party having been in power), and it's one of the most socialist country in Europe. Because of the huge number of political parties, governments are always in minority. This assures a continued line of socialism. Political parties or not, the country is mostly governed by the administration, where socialist-communist parties have planted socialist-communist dinosaurs in key positions for decades. Even if a purely conservative government came to power, it would take ages to rid the administration of them.
The Welfare State
Denmark is a paradise for people who don't like to work. The welfare system is designed to assure that anyone not working has at least the same standard of living as those who do. Thus, there's no incentive to ruin your spare time by looking for work. In fact, more than half of the population is financed by the working minority, who must pay for pensioners, unemployed, social security clients, single mothers, immigrants and the civil servants who count about half of the working population. By promising and giving money to these groups, the socialist-communist parties have managed to keep themselves in power at the cost of the working minority that are slaves of the government and those financed by it.
By contrast, the part of the welfare system that's being used by the working population, is being starved of money. Thus, the health sector is in a disarray like it's seen in the United Kingdom, despite the population paying the world's highest taxes. People who don't fancy dying while awaiting a life-saving operation either have to pay cash at one of the new private hospitals (private hospitals were illegal until the eighties) or abroad or pay for private medical insurance.
The welfare state was built with borrowed money during the sixties and the seventies. The government gross debt reached 101,000,000,000 euros at its highest. With a population of 5,300,000, this amounted to 19,100 euros per citizen, new-born babies included (figures from 1996, source: Eurostat Yearbook 1997). Thus, a large part of the high taxes goes to paying interest on the debt.
Over the last ten years, conservative governments have successfully reduced the debt significantly, to 60,000,000,000 euros gross debt in 2004 (Eurostat Yearbook 2005) or 20,000,000,000 euros net debt (Danmarks Statistik 2005). Let's note that interest payments are calculated on the gross debt, not the net debt.
Socialism FTW!
The Political Parties
Denmark has at least ten socialist-communist parties and one or two centre parties. One of the socialist parties is named the Conservative People Party in order to fool the electors. You may find this description absurd, but the explanation is that the whole political spectre in Denmark has been slided to the far left. On an absolute political scale, British Labour is more to the right than any Danish party. Denmark has had socialist rule as long as anyone can remember (despite the so-called Conservative Party having been in power), and it's one of the most socialist country in Europe. Because of the huge number of political parties, governments are always in minority. This assures a continued line of socialism. Political parties or not, the country is mostly governed by the administration, where socialist-communist parties have planted socialist-communist dinosaurs in key positions for decades. Even if a purely conservative government came to power, it would take ages to rid the administration of them.
The Welfare State
Denmark is a paradise for people who don't like to work. The welfare system is designed to assure that anyone not working has at least the same standard of living as those who do. Thus, there's no incentive to ruin your spare time by looking for work. In fact, more than half of the population is financed by the working minority, who must pay for pensioners, unemployed, social security clients, single mothers, immigrants and the civil servants who count about half of the working population. By promising and giving money to these groups, the socialist-communist parties have managed to keep themselves in power at the cost of the working minority that are slaves of the government and those financed by it.
By contrast, the part of the welfare system that's being used by the working population, is being starved of money. Thus, the health sector is in a disarray like it's seen in the United Kingdom, despite the population paying the world's highest taxes. People who don't fancy dying while awaiting a life-saving operation either have to pay cash at one of the new private hospitals (private hospitals were illegal until the eighties) or abroad or pay for private medical insurance.
The welfare state was built with borrowed money during the sixties and the seventies. The government gross debt reached 101,000,000,000 euros at its highest. With a population of 5,300,000, this amounted to 19,100 euros per citizen, new-born babies included (figures from 1996, source: Eurostat Yearbook 1997). Thus, a large part of the high taxes goes to paying interest on the debt.
Over the last ten years, conservative governments have successfully reduced the debt significantly, to 60,000,000,000 euros gross debt in 2004 (Eurostat Yearbook 2005) or 20,000,000,000 euros net debt (Danmarks Statistik 2005). Let's note that interest payments are calculated on the gross debt, not the net debt.
Socialism FTW!
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