Looks like M$ doesn't have much hope for it's WinMo 7

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http://money.cnn.com/2010/10/01/technology/microsoft_motorola/index.htm?hpt=T2

Microsoft is suing Motorola over it's Android based devices because they are able to "synchronizing e-mail, calendars and contacts; scheduling meetings; and notifying applications of changes in signal strength and battery power

I've got news for you MS. BB has been doing this a lot longer than Android and Motorola.

I guess MS isn't confident in their WinMo 7 product and just going to try and collect royalties on Android phone sales.
 

rudeguy

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No.


Cellular providers and handset manufacturers just like suing each other.
 

TheStu

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Actually, Microsft apparently reached a settlement with HTC on the exact same issues.

Their basic thinking is, you can either run WinMo and pay Microsoft, or you can run Android, and pay Microsoft. (cribbed from DaringFireball)
 

AstroManLuca

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No.


Cellular providers and handset manufacturers just like suing each other.

this

Seriously everyone is constantly suing everyone. It has nothing to do with whether it's actually an infringement or whether the plaintiff actually thinks the defendant ought to stop because it will confuse consumers. The lawyers hired by these companies are paid to figure out which companies to sue and when in order to extract an optimal amount of money from them in settlements.

Again, it has absolutely nothing to do with the spirit of the law. It's 100% about the money.
 
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this

Seriously everyone is constantly suing everyone. It has nothing to do with whether it's actually an infringement or whether the plaintiff actually thinks the defendant ought to stop because it will confuse consumers. The lawyers hired by these companies are paid to figure out which companies to sue and when in order to extract an optimal amount of money from them in settlements.

Again, it has absolutely nothing to do with the spirit of the law. It's 100&#37; about the money.

I know it's all about the money, which I why I said they don't think their product is going to make as much as if they could just get a slice of the Android pie.
I mean, we see how well the Kin did.
 

AstroManLuca

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I know it's all about the money, which I why I said they don't think their product is going to make as much as if they could just get a slice of the Android pie.
I mean, we see how well the Kin did.

Then why did Apple sue HTC? Is it because they didn't have confidence in the iPhone and would rather just get a slice of the HTC pie? Last I checked, Apple didn't really need any help making money from the iPhone. Doesn't mean they won't try to squeeze a few million bucks out of HTC if they think they can. Same applies to MS. Regardless of how well they think WP7 will do, they're still going to try to get money other ways as well. Any other large company would do the same, no matter how successful or unsuccessful they are.
 

Deeko

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http://money.cnn.com/2010/10/01/technology/microsoft_motorola/index.htm?hpt=T2

Microsoft is suing Motorola over it's Android based devices because they are able to "synchronizing e-mail, calendars and contacts; scheduling meetings; and notifying applications of changes in signal strength and battery power

I've got news for you MS. BB has been doing this a lot longer than Android and Motorola.

I guess MS isn't confident in their WinMo 7 product and just going to try and collect royalties on Android phone sales.

I guess Apple isn't very confident, either, because they've been suing other cell phone companies like mad.

Seriously, that conclusion you've drawn has absolutely no correlation to the real world.
 

Deeko

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I know it's all about the money, which I why I said they don't think their product is going to make as much as if they could just get a slice of the Android pie.
I mean, we see how well the Kin did.

Seriously? You really think this?

If Microsoft believes they have a patent that is being infringed upon, they're going to seek action. Why would confidence in their product be a factor here? If they think WP7 will be a smash hit, they should just let other companies use their patents without licensing? Is that really, really what you think, or is this just an anti-Microsoft troll post?
 

preslove

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Actually, Microsft apparently reached a settlement with HTC on the exact same issues.

Their basic thinking is, you can either run WinMo and pay Microsoft, or you can run Android, and pay Microsoft. (cribbed from DaringFireball)

THIS THIS THIS!

These patent lawsuits are leverage for Microsoft to use to get cell phone makers to prioritize WinMo7.

I srsly doubt we will see any lawsuits from them against Samsung because Samsung is putting out a bunch of WinMo7 handsets.

OP=dumb fanboy
 

gsaldivar

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No.

Cellular providers and handset manufacturers just like suing each other.

Exactly.

Patent disputes unfortunately are probably the most misunderstood and highly publicized form of business negotiation out there. But at the end of the day, that's all this is - just two companies negotiating for money.

Once one side or the other signs an agreement, this "showstopper" will fade away and be forgotten just like the many thousands of patent suits that came before it.

:)
 

Bateluer

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Exactly.
But at the end of the day, that's all this is - just two companies negotiating for money.

You want to negotiate for money, fine. Don't waste tax payer dollars and choke the court system to do it. When two companies pull stunts like this, the judge in the case should slap them both down hard, with all settlement monies going to offset the court costs or into various charities.
 

gsaldivar

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You want to negotiate for money, fine. Don't waste tax payer dollars and choke the court system to do it. When two companies pull stunts like this, the judge in the case should slap them both down hard, with all settlement monies going to offset the court costs or into various charities.

No.

Companies (who are also taxpayers) are working within the framework of the law and patent system that we have created for them. Disputes within that system are resolved in courts of law. IMHO if there is a problem with the way they are doing that, then the system itself is broken and needs be *fixed*.

(What happened to "change we can believe in"...?)

:)
 
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Spicedaddy

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Yep, MS, hmm sorry I mean M$, is doing this because they think WinPhone7 won't sell.

Makes sense. You should be a business analyst.
 

preslove

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Thinking about this some more, Motorola is actually the perfect target for Microsoft because of Moto's ties to Verizon. M$ lost a lot of that $ with the kin, while simultaneously pissing the hell out of VZN with their incompetence at putting out a product. VZN has been seen as dragging their feet with putting out WinMo7 handsets. M$ is attacking Moto because they are VZN's biggest smartphone partner.

I bet if Moto makes it their mission to make their next big handset a high end WinMo7 CDMA device, these patent lawsuits will quickly go away. Of course, after this is all put in writing in a private settlement...

I wonder if Samsung will avoid these lawsuits because they have been one of M$'s closest partners in putting out WM7. They may have already signed an agreement.
 
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AbAbber2k

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You should not be able to patent synchronization... specific code maybe... but sync'ing email? Fucking bullshit. I hate the US patent system.
 

rudeguy

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Thinking about this some more, Motorola is actually the perfect target for Microsoft because of Moto's ties to Verizon. M$ lost a lot of that $ with the kin, while simultaneously pissing the hell out of VZN with their incompetence at putting out a product. VZN has been seen as dragging their feet with putting out WinMo7 handsets. M$ is attacking Moto because they are VZN's biggest smartphone partner.

I bet if Moto makes it their mission to make their next big handset a high end WinMo7 CDMA device, these patent lawsuits will quickly go away. Of course, after this is all put in writing in a private settlement...

I wonder if Samsung will avoid these lawsuits because they have been one of M$'s closest partners in putting out WM7. They may have already signed an agreement.


Actually makes a lot of sense.
 

dguy6789

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Microsoft thinks they own the exclusive right to battery life notifications. Right.. Why are you people defending them?
 

Deeko

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Microsoft thinks they own the exclusive right to battery life notifications. Right.. Why are you people defending them?

They *all* do this. They all have various patents in mobile, no matter how ridiculous, and they all constantly sue each other back and forth. Be mad at the patent office for granting these things, don't be mad at the company for defending their legally owned patents.

Besides, its not so much the sueing we're defending, as the absurd opinion of the OP that they're doing this because they don't have faith in WP7.