Looks like Boeing is having French Toast for breakfast. Airbus cites more setbacks

[Specop 007]

No worries though. The government can tax their people more, then give it to Airbus.
I think the driving question at this point isnt whether they can built it, but whether or not they even should.

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Airbus A380 faces further delays
Wiring woes continue

By Lester Haines
Published Thursday 21st September 2006 11:45 GMT

The wiring problems which earlier this year forced Airbus parent company EADS to delay delivery of its A380 by six months continue to plague the roll-out programme.

According to the BBC, EADS is planning a further six month hold-up, "again linked to wiring problems".

The EADS press statement says: "EADS does not confirm nor deny specific information reported by various media relating to the A380 program because the review of the program is not completed yet.

"Although [the] company's assessment is still under way, continuing industrialisation challenges with the wiring of production aircraft have been identified and are being tackled. Consequently, from what is known today, there will be further delays. The current status is that we have not finalised the schedule of deliveries nor the financial impact of any delays."

The financial impact may be severe. Back in June, EADS estimated annual losses of ?500m between 2007 and 2010 associated with the revised delivery schedule. Among the airlines waiting to get their hands on the 159 aircraft currently on order are Emirates (43 orders), Lufthansa (15), Qantas (12) and Virgin Atlantic (6).

 

[ElFenix]

i'm flying on an airbus today.

haven't been on one in several years.

i hope the landing gear retracts properly, i'd hate to have to orbit and then land with the gear sideways.

 

[iamwiz82]

Sounds like they used Lucas Electric as their contractor!

 

[CaptnKirk]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Sounds like they used Lucas Electric as their contractor!

For those who missed the reference to Lucas Electric . .

 

[foghorn67]

Is there even a budget for that pridemobile of a jet? Really, they have to wait on tides to transport the fuse sections.

 

[Turin39789]

I've never had french toast on any airplane, especially not a Boeing

 

[iamwiz82]

This really makes you appreciate how much work Boeing went through in the 60s to get the 747 flying. Can you imagine laying 150 miles of wiring in a plane and 90% of it was done by hand?

 

[K1052]

Well that sure isn't going to help them retain orders.

I suspect a few more compaines might go and do their shopping over at Boeing, who actually has a working product.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: K1052
Well that sure isn't going to help them retain orders.

I suspect a few more compaines might go and do their shopping over at Boeing, who actually has a working product.

Word is Emirates may cancel their order.
Their order alone accounts for 1/3 of the total order for the A380. If they pull the plug the A380 could very well be shelved.

They might also just be saying that to negotiate on the prices.

Either way I think Airbus is really going to be taken to the cleaners on the A380.

 

[iamwiz82]

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Either way I think Airbus is really going to be taken to the cleaners on the A380.

That looks more and more likely. The breakeven before this announcement was around 300 planes. 20 months ago it was 150 planes.

 

[mugs]

What's with the France hate?

 

[OrganizedChaos]

a fly-by-wire plane with wiring problems, boy i can't wait to get on one of them.

 

[sdifox]

I don't understand this wiring problem. If it is mostly manual, how can they mess up? I mean, they are all labeled evey few metres no? Unless someone messed with the labeling. Or are we talking about design deficiencies?

 

[Feldenak]

Sounds like Airbus has their own version of the Hercules

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: sdifox
I don't understand this wiring problem. If it is mostly manual, how can they mess up? I mean, they are all labeled evey few metres no? Unless someone messed with the labeling. Or are we talking about design deficiencies?

As I understand it they use aluminum wiring which has problems with connections.
Dont know if thats it or not.

 

[Demon-Xanth]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: sdifox
I don't understand this wiring problem. If it is mostly manual, how can they mess up? I mean, they are all labeled evey few metres no? Unless someone messed with the labeling. Or are we talking about design deficiencies?

As I understand it they use aluminum wiring which has problems with connections.
Dont know if thats it or not.

They started using aluminum wires in RVs for a while. They stopped doing if when the number of fires increased.

 

[CaptnKirk]

Originally posted by: sdifox
I don't understand this wiring problem. If it is mostly manual, how can they mess up? I mean, they are all labeled evey few metres no? Unless someone messed with the labeling. Or are we talking about design deficiencies?

Human error during assembly: mis-pinning of contacts into connectors.

Some spiral left and are numbered sequentialy out from the center, some spiral to the right.
Some are numbered from the outer rows and spiral inward - either from the left or right.
Most are round, but some are square or irregular.
Some with backshells have specific clocking to control the harness drip loop direction, or the mating with the male or female connector at a through bulkhead, an electrical buss station, or a pressure bulkhead.
Some of the contacts are male, and some of the contacts are female, and sometimes are interdispersed within a connector, and dedicated to specific systems.
Power wires are larger than signal wires, and all the above may be encountered within the same harness run between service break areas.

And then there is onboard sensors and instrumentastion systems and their equipment.

Sample

There are many different companies that make connectors, each for specific purposes, both of MIL-Spec and Commercial varieties.

Then above and beyond the 'fly-by-wire' you find multiplexed systems, EMI, and signal discrete.

And what happens when you find a potted connector at a feedthrough from a pressurized area into a non-presurized zone -
like from the fuselage main electrical load center into the wing ?
A leak in the connector's potting through the backshell causes the insulation on the wire to blow-up like a clown baloon,
which then freezes at altitude, flakes off, and shorts out where the exposed wire encounters metalic structures or graphite composites.

Simple, no?

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: mugs
What's with the France hate?

har har very funny

 

[Jawo]

Yay for an American company able to beat Airbus!!! I was kinda shocked when I first read about the Airbus A380 about a decade ago, never thought it would get off the ground, and now it looks like that might be the case!

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: ElFenix
i'm flying on an airbus today.

haven't been on one in several years.

i hope the landing gear retracts properly, i'd hate to have to orbit and then land with the gear sideways.

yea thats some retarded design.

 

[Baked]

America, FVCK YEAH!

 

[cavemanmoron]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82
This really makes you appreciate how much work Boeing went through in the 60s to get the 747 flying. Can you imagine laying 150 miles of wiring in a plane and 90% of it was done by hand?

:thumbsup:

 

[sygyzy]

French toast. Get it guys? Because the French are cowards and they are stinky and we love our guns. YAY! Go USA!

 

[Schadenfroh]

Another delay! Bye bye frenchy socialist b#*@(
http://today.reuters.com/news/articlebu...Home-C4-Business-ousiv-2&from=business

PARIS/LONDON (Reuters) - Airbus parent EADS pushed back its troubled A380 superjumbo by another year and issued a new profit warning on Tuesday, infuriating airlines like top buyer Emirates which put its purchases under review.

Anyone have some Boeing stock? I think you are going to get some lovin soon from the people that have A380s on preorder.

 

[LegendKiller]

The whole multi-country assembly, transportation, coordination with two CEO's was a complete disaster under normal circumstances. Then to try and launch such an ambitious program and see it through to completion under that situation is pretty stupid. Not to mention the fact that it's application is limited, so it's buyer concentration is high, thus the risk of cancellation due to situational factors caused by the above mentioned situation...

I wouldn't doubt that you'll see further delays.