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Hello, looks like nobody has been posting in this thread in a while. I have a really old computer, originally built back when we were still using XP (yes most of those specs at the bottom are accurate, but I have overclocked the CPU to 2.8). I now have the machine running 7 but need a serious overhaul. I want to keep the case because I love it (Antec Aria). The case limits me to a 300 W power supply (it is custom sized), but since I am not a serious gamer it should suffice (though I do want the best possible graphics card that can work with the build and power supply). I haven't built a computer for nearly 10 years so I have not kept up with the current hardware at all. Wondering if someone out there can give me some suggestions. Will need to purchase Windows 10 and would like to keep the hardware budget under $500 (might go a bit higher if it's worth it). Will need motherboard (micro ATX), memory, graphics card, processor (stock fan is usually fine). I can use existing HD and SSD (I use SSD for OS and HD for storage). Can't think of anything else I would need at the time. Thanks in advance for any responses.
 

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avoid getting a gpu right now.
I really do not think you will NEED it.
Your still stuck in the old PC building methodology where you required a videocard.

Cpu's now combo the Video out and can do most things you would do.
Infact today's APU's are so much faster then whatever videocard was the top dog when you built your system.

Also looking at a 170 dollar 1030 is just straight up rediculous. That GPU before mining didnt break $89.00

So again, i would rather build a Ryzen APU or even a Intel with Iris Xe variant which come out in tiger lake.

So please do not pay scalpers price on that 1030, when honestly you wont need it.
And if you do need it, it will be underpowered that you need something else.
 
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Thanks for the input. From what I am reading in my research the Quadros are not really meant so much for gaming...not much knowledge on the subject of recent APU's, so please correct me if I am wrong.

What I'm looking for is the best card I can put into the build, keeping in mind that my power supply is limited at 350W and I must consider heat buildup in the Aria case. Low profile is practically a must for air flow.

The previously discussed GT 1030 seems like a great option...but I also noticed that the more powerful GTX 1050-ti requires a 300W psu according to the Nvidia website...think that is too much card for this machine? Any other recommendations for APU's?

Thanks so much for all of your help!

I think a 1050ti would be a great fit if they were not so darn expensive.

Supposedly maybe we are getting new low end cards from AMD and Nvidia, the current lower end GPUs are quite old. The 3050 just made its way to laptops and honestly that or the AMD equivalent is going to be a huge jump over the 1030.

If you could use the 4670 to validate your build you could watch for new tech or a worthwhile deal.

From what I can tell, the Quadros are historically not a great gaming solution mostly because of their value. Here is what I have noticed though - right now that’s not always true at all.

First, they are typically close to desktop enthusiast GPU cards. The GPUs themselves are so similar in the past you could “soft mod” with a bios or a hard mod a card with a little soldering. So physically they aren’t that different.

Next, they are run at lower clock speeds than their enthusiast brethren. I think they may in fact be run at more same speeds for their power consumption. In any case, this seems to keep them durable over a very long time.

Next, they tend to come with a lot more memory than their contemporary desktop cards. That’s become more important as 2GB+ has become the low end standard.

Finally, the weird market and buying pressures has, some times, made faster Quadros cheaper than their desktop equivalents. For example, the Quadro K4000 is a 3GB 192-memory card where the GPU is similar to a GTX 650 Ti Boost, yet it is routinely cheaper (and better in many ways) than the 2GB 128 bit memory version of that card.

The GTX 950 is faster than the 1030, the recent Anandtech articles on the Xe GPU in the latest Intel processors shows it routinely faster than the 1030 and that 2GB card and 4GB M2000 Quadro equivalent are often very close in price on eBay too, and again I think the higher frame buffer/lower power solution would be a reasonable solution for you.

The last Quadro stigma is the drivers, apparently they release fewer driver updates with hot fixes for games. I guess there is that, but the driver releases are very polished for Quadros and if you are on this end of the spectrum it’s unlikely you’ll need updates for the latest games. The 1030/950 are old enough their architectures tend to simply work and they are not a big optimization target.

I am simply not a big fan of investing in a 1030, it’s a very basic cut down card. A 1050, especially a 4GB variant is much more worthy of your money but when you start laying out that much money it’s good to know the other options.

That’s all :D. GL!
 
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Hello, looks like nobody has been posting in this thread in a while. I have a really old computer, originally built back when we were still using XP (yes most of those specs at the bottom are accurate, but I have overclocked the CPU to 2.8). I now have the machine running 7 but need a serious overhaul. I want to keep the case because I love it (Antec Aria). The case limits me to a 300 W power supply (it is custom sized), but since I am not a serious gamer it should suffice (though I do want the best possible graphics card that can work with the build and power supply). I haven't built a computer for nearly 10 years so I have not kept up with the current hardware at all. Wondering if someone out there can give me some suggestions. Will need to purchase Windows 10 and would like to keep the hardware budget under $500 (might go a bit higher if it's worth it). Will need motherboard (micro ATX), memory, graphics card, processor (stock fan is usually fine). I can use existing HD and SSD (I use SSD for OS and HD for storage). Can't think of anything else I would need at the time. Thanks in advance for any responses.
For which usage? Preference for Intel/AMD/nVIDIA?

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Even for working over gaming I would recommend or a nVIDIA Quadro for the consumption they look have and a great performance or an AMD Radeon, since Intel's are very new, so wait till they're more tested. I also like so much Intel.

Look for a great SSD, by start can be a Patriot Burst 120 GB, very good cost-benefit, I have one and only good things pop up about it.

Look if really you can use only 300w since PSUs have a standard eh? In size. I don't saw reviews about, but use a Giga PSU and def happy with it.

About CPU at least 8th-Gen i3 ... or AMD Ryzen 3

buy one large RAM or 2 (better) for a large upgrade for the future, like 1x 8 GB or 2 x 8 GB..

Windows only buying from the Microsoft, even if it's more expensive. I know that because a MVP guy said that even consagrated sellers place can have partners that says the product it's ok and no, it isn't. Remember that activated doesn't mean legalized.

I hope my tips are good and helped.
 

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Thank all of you who contributed your input, it was very helpful in my decision making. I'm now ready to build! Here is the configuration:

Case: Antec Aria w/ new AM-350 PSU (350W 80 plus cert.)
CPU: Ryzen 5 3600
Motherboard: ASRock B550M Steel Legend
RAM: Crucial Ballistix 2X16GB DDR4-3200
SSD: Transcend SSD340 128GB (for Windows install)
HDD: Samsung HD204UI 2TB (for programs and storage)
HDD: Samsung HD204UI 2TB (external w/ enclosure via eSATA for music)
GPU: Gigabyte GTX 1050 TI model GV-N105TOC-4GL (not yet for certain)

I am using the new components discussed in this thread along with some older ones such as my beloved Antec Aria case and some older drives. As far as the GPU, I am agreeing with many in this thread to wait on it for now...but I did go ahead and order a GV-N105TOC-4GL from 'shopblt.com'. I have no experience with them, but they do have decent ratings and seem legit enough. The price was very good compared to what I have been seeing...$160 brand new. The caveat is that they are not due in stock until mid June, and the price is not guaranteed. They don't charge the credit card before the item is in stock, and I can always cancel the order before it ships, so really nothing to lose by trying. According to the specs, the card should run fine in this build if I don't push the system with overclocking, which I don't plan on doing anytime soon. Here's a link to the GPU for anyone interested:

https://www.gigabyte.com/Graphics-Card/GV-N105TOC-4GL#kf

I do have a few pre-building questions if anyone would care to answer:

1) From what I understand, the Ryzen cooler comes with thermal paste already applied? Is it any good, or should I get something different? I'm sticking with the stock cooler for now but have been thinking about the coolers mentioned by blckgrffn for the future if heat buildup becomes an issue.

2) In the past, I have put Windows on the SSD and loaded programs and games on the HDD...is this the best way to do it, or would I be better off loading programs on the SSD as well as Windows?

3) Does anyone see any potential issues with my configuration, other than the previously discussed potential for heat build up? I have some concerns about the PSU, but the pcpartpicker website claims that my config should run at around 250W including the GPU I might be using. Can I rely on that?

Thanks again for all of the help, I am really excited to build this!
 
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I put windows and programs on the SSD. Spinners are for movies, games, pics, music, etc.

Stock thermal pad is okay, if you don't want to bother cleaning it off. However, if/when you do remove the CPU, you will want to heat it up first, and twist the cooler back and forth, as it tends to form a tight seal with the CPU. Which will result in the CPU coming out when you remove the cooler. I do the above for every paste. And if the stock cooler removal is for troubleshooting and the system doesn't boot, make certain to lift straight up, as some have bent CPU pins otherwise.

Alternatively, it is all unnecessary with a graphite pad. Which I use more often now. Temps are good, and no mess or other issues pastes can cause.

Build should be fine with a 350W and a 1050ti. It will not be max efficiency range for the PSU, but no big deal.
 
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The 350W PSU may not be sufficiently qualified for the intended use. Might want to look into the PSU's rating classification. Intel introduced a new "Haswell ready" PSU standard several years ago. The "AM-350 PSU (350W 80 plus cert.)" may have been manufactured prior to the "Haswell ready" PSU standard. Specifically, the "standby voltage" capability is involved with the "Haswell ready" rating.
 

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The 350W PSU may not be sufficiently qualified for the intended use. Might want to look into the PSU's rating classification. Intel introduced a new "Haswell ready" PSU standard several years ago. The "AM-350 PSU (350W 80 plus cert.)" may have been manufactured prior to the "Haswell ready" PSU standard. Specifically, the "standby voltage" capability is involved with the "Haswell ready" rating.

I have to admit that I am a bit confused on this one. I looked up 'Haswell ready' and it seems that it is tied to Intel processors? I also tried to find info regarding my PSU's 'rating classification' and came up with nothing as of yet. If it affects the Ryzen 5 I will be using, is there something I can do about that? If anyone has any input regarding this possible problem please let me know before I build! Thanks!
 

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I am going to throw out there for a real seat of the pants change, consider a WD Blue 500GB nvme or similar. These are crazy faster than than the transcend and will simplify you build buy removing a SATA drive and the cabling :)

I think going through all this and staying with a small SATA SSD you’re missing out on a lot.

I’ve used older PSUs from before that certification without issues 🤷‍♂️

I also fee you are right to push for the 1050ti, is it 4GB? It is an actual gaming card vs the 1030 which is really a desktop productivity solution.
 

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I am going to throw out there for a real seat of the pants change, consider a WD Blue 500GB nvme or similar. These are crazy faster than than the transcend and will simplify you build buy removing a SATA drive and the cabling

Thanks for the input...these have gotten so less expensive than when I bought the smaller ones that I can hardly believe it. I think I paid nearly $300 for the 128GB back in the day! Also stuck with an OCZ Vertex 2 ugh...maybe I can use it in an old laptop (trying to rebuild one in the laptop thread since I spent all my money building this machine). At that price, I agree with your upgrade idea and will be ordering one of those before the build (wanted to do it this weekend, dang it)...or maybe I could pick one up at Microcenter if the price is competitive. We shall see.

Thanks to you and also DAPUNISHER for addressing my concerns with the GPU / PSU as well.

 
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I have to admit that I am a bit confused on this one. I looked up 'Haswell ready' and it seems that it is tied to Intel processors? I also tried to find info regarding my PSU's 'rating classification' and came up with nothing as of yet. If it affects the Ryzen 5 I will be using, is there something I can do about that? If anyone has any input regarding this possible problem please let me know before I build! Thanks!
The issue would become apparent if the PC is put into sleep mode. If the system spontaneously re-awakens, then the older PSU type would be the cause of that happening.
 

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The issue would become apparent if the PC is put into sleep mode. If the system spontaneously re-awakens, then the older PSU type would be the cause of that happening.

Hopefully I can find a way to keep the machine out of sleep mode. I haven't really used that before in my builds, and not sure if it is something that I want or need to have. Any input appreciated.

I think going through all this and staying with a small SATA SSD you’re missing out on a lot.

I fully agree. I didn't even know about NVMe technology, that is how out of touch I have been in the computer world. That won't be an issue because I purchased a WD Black 1 TB at Microcenter today (price was competitive with online). Sure I an find a use for the old 2.5 SSD's in the old laptops I am trying to refurbish...any advice is appreciated (in the laptops forum).

Now I am ready to build! I can't wait to see what this can do compared to my current build. Thanks again so much for all of the help I have received in this thread, it is very greatly appreciated.
 

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Uh oh...sitting here ready to start building tonight but one thing that I didn't consider...I am used to old ass computers that can run Windows without a GPU. Not sure that this will be the case with my new build. Anyone think I will be OK with just doing basic computing before I have my GPU? Or should I find a cheap little GPU until I get the GTX 1050 TI?
 

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Uh oh...sitting here ready to start building tonight but one thing that I didn't consider...I am used to old ass computers that can run Windows without a GPU. Not sure that this will be the case with my new build. Anyone think I will be OK with just doing basic computing before I have my GPU? Or should I find a cheap little GPU until I get the GTX 1050 TI?
Ryzen CPUs like the Ryzen 3600 (not including their APUs) don't have onboard graphics, so you will need a video card in order to use the PC.

And even the low-end video cards are severally overpriced due to everyone and their mother buying them to mine digital currencies (like Bitcoin).
 

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I am used to old ass computers that can run Windows without a GPU.

Unless you're running headless, something has to draw what is sent to the monitor. It's all a "GPU", unless you mean something pre-Geforce256/(original) Radeon.

Not all CPUs have onboard or on-chip graphics, those will need something to raster graphics.

Or should I find a cheap little GPU until I get the GTX 1050 TI?

I'm really not sure there shouldn't be an /s after that, even if unintentional. "Cheap" and "GPU" do not really belong in the same sentence currently, if you can even find one. When even GT710s are sold out, you know it's bad...
 

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What are you doing with the GPU from your old build? I think it would work for basic setup and validation of functionality.

There are $30 or cheaper options on eBay if that doesn’t work.


K600, about $25 shipped, DisplayPort and DVI out. “Works” and is tiny.

I was also going to recommend the K4000 as a card at sometimes around $60-$80 in the last couple of weeks as a 3GB DDR5 card that is better than trash and has actual gaming (not a crazy amount, some) gaming capabilities but it seems the market found those and they are stupid expensive now.

The K2200 is a newer card, based on first gen Maxwell and has 4GB of DDR5 at 128-bit. It supports a higher CUDA level and has the first gen nvenc Nvidia encoder engine.

Approximately GTX 750 gaming performance and again, not a throw away. Compared to the 4670 it might carry you a while.


That’s a $100 plus shipping model.

If you can use something like that to outlast the crypto insanity there might be a lot more options at reasonable prices for you, too. :)
 
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If you can use something like that to outlast the crypto insanity there might be a lot more options at reasonable prices for you, too.

Well, I actually ordered a GT 1030 SC from 'shopblt'. It is also on backorder like the GTX 1050 TI I ordered, but it is supposed to be ready to ship in a few days. The price was under $100 so we shall see if it actually happens. I don't mind having the extra GPU because the 4670 I could have used burned up a while back (that is why I don't do passive cooled GPU's anymore).

A general question I have (perhaps best to moderators)...are we allowed to attach photos in the threads? Was wanting to put a few in here as I do my build if that is O.K.
 

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FINALLY built! Ended up getting a GeForce 1050ti low profile overclocked version from Amazon. Was a bit pricey, but I got a $100 gift card just for doing a medical home test and that helped absorb some of the cost.

It runs amazing compared to what I had, boots up very fast and practically noiseless. Not having any trouble with heat build up so far, but I have yet to push the system and try overclocking.

I will update and post a few pics after I have had time to get used to the new build. Thanks again to all of those who contributed their ideas and information in my post, it really helped me out!
 

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Were you able to get your Crucial RAM to run at the 4200MHz XMP? I know that DDR4 4200 can be difficult for Ryzen.
 

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Hey there, Shmee...been a long while since I have been here in the forum. Busy moving (4 times this year) and many other things. I am not sure that I saw your post from last August, and actually I am not sure about that...is there a way I can find out on my system if my RAM is running at those specs?

Anyway, I just love this new system, so much better than what I had. I also just purchased a new GMMK2 keyboard and wow, it just rocks my world. Now just need a new monitor.

Only issue I have run across with this system is that it does tend to run on the hot side when running more demanding games. I have seen the temps get into the low 80s at the core. When that happens, I can simply slide the top of the case open to get more airflow...but honestly I would like to try a few other things as well.

I just purchased a tube of Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut along with my new keyboard, perhaps that will make a difference. I used the stock thermal paste pad that was on the stock fan along with the Ryzen. Also, I am looking at installing a 'blower fan' in one of my unused PCI slots...I have used one in the past but it was freakin noisy, so trying to find one that is quiet but effective.

Hope all of you have been well, and thanks again so much for all of your helpful input, I would not have been able to do this without it. :)
 

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I meant to do this last year lol...here is what you all helped me create!
 

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A silent fan outside the rear vent helping to pull out the warm air from the case may be helpful (though may not look aesthetically pleasing).