Soccerman06
Diamond Member
lol dont buy one of those, you could buy so many lms ultras at that price
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Looking for suggestions/opinions on mid/high HT sound systems.
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richardycc
Diamond Member
I don't think JL Audio currently has any floor firing subs...
purbeast0
No Lifer
it coulda been pointing towards the screen i don't know, but they had 2 subs on the floor between the center channel speaker, and from the front i could not see any woofer. so i was assuming it was facing the floor.
Anubis
No Lifer
it was prob just covered, but it sounds like whatever they were they were not set up properly
JackBurton
Lifer
purbeast0, any updates?
purbeast0
No Lifer
nah haven't done anything yet. still getting settled in into the new house and just have a lot of other stuff i need to purchase first. i still haven't gotten around to sample the klipsch setup that a local guy has, which i still want to do.
i'm also 99% sure i'm going to be getting the panasonic 8000ae projector that is slated to come out at the end of this month. it's gotten great reviews and the 7000 was the one i was initially going to get.
i kind of want to hear real world feedback on the input lag on it though, but it's supposed to be the best one out of the newer projectors so far.
i'm also 99% sure i'm going to be getting the panasonic 8000ae projector that is slated to come out at the end of this month. it's gotten great reviews and the 7000 was the one i was initially going to get.
i kind of want to hear real world feedback on the input lag on it though, but it's supposed to be the best one out of the newer projectors so far.
purbeast0
No Lifer
bumping an older thread of mine...
so i demo'd the klipsch rf-7 ii, rc-64, rs-64 ii setup this past weekend and holy crap, it sounded pretty amazing. i do have to say though that i now understand what people said about the horns on them.
the guy that let me demo them first showed me a scene from cloverfield from his blu-ray demo disc, with his sub off. it was extremely "sharp" and high pitched when guns were firing and stuff, almost to the point it hurt my ears. granted, he had it loud on purpose so i could hear them. but i have to say, it was CRYSTAL clear.
he then put his sub on and we watched the same scene, and the bass REALLY balanced it out nicely. i could still hear the "high-pitch-ness" from the speakers, but it wasn't as bad.
we then put in saving private ryan as well as some other scenes from the demo disc, and yea, it sounded pretty amazing.
we listened to some music afterwards and holy shit, these things are crazy loud and crystal clear. i really liked the sound of them, although still, it seemed like the highs were almost a tad too high for my liking.
but then he told me that he had manually set it that way because he liked it, and he showed me the setting that his receiver "calibrated" using the pioneer version of audessey (not sure the name of it), and it was a night/day difference. this setting wasn't NEARLY as loud/high pitched as his own settings. we listened to some music with it for a while, and it sounded good. but he put it back to his original settings after and i have to say, i was a fan of his original settings more than the calibrated settings.
that said, i'm just glad you can adjust a lot on those speakers. although, i still want to demo some more sets before i make my decision.
that said, since i don't have an exact set of speakers lined up yet, would purchasing a receiver now be a bad idea? i'm 99% sure i want to get the denon 4311ci because it looks like a very solid all around receiver. i'm pretty sure it will push any speakers i get to a very solid level. there is a decent price on it at $1300 right now too. i will also be able to use this receiver with my current 5.1 setup until i make my decision on other speakers to purchase.
additionally, i demo'ed the panasonic 8000 projector this past weekend and that is the one i'm going to buy. i'm waiting for a website to get it back in stock so i can purchase it at $2800. i watched a scene of SPR on there as well as tested some 3D, and played ssf4 on it to test input lag, which really surprised me how little input lag there was.
oh and meanwhile, i'm panel prepping my 60" ST50 which will be done this friday, then i can really see what it's made of.
so i demo'd the klipsch rf-7 ii, rc-64, rs-64 ii setup this past weekend and holy crap, it sounded pretty amazing. i do have to say though that i now understand what people said about the horns on them.
the guy that let me demo them first showed me a scene from cloverfield from his blu-ray demo disc, with his sub off. it was extremely "sharp" and high pitched when guns were firing and stuff, almost to the point it hurt my ears. granted, he had it loud on purpose so i could hear them. but i have to say, it was CRYSTAL clear.
he then put his sub on and we watched the same scene, and the bass REALLY balanced it out nicely. i could still hear the "high-pitch-ness" from the speakers, but it wasn't as bad.
we then put in saving private ryan as well as some other scenes from the demo disc, and yea, it sounded pretty amazing.
we listened to some music afterwards and holy shit, these things are crazy loud and crystal clear. i really liked the sound of them, although still, it seemed like the highs were almost a tad too high for my liking.
but then he told me that he had manually set it that way because he liked it, and he showed me the setting that his receiver "calibrated" using the pioneer version of audessey (not sure the name of it), and it was a night/day difference. this setting wasn't NEARLY as loud/high pitched as his own settings. we listened to some music with it for a while, and it sounded good. but he put it back to his original settings after and i have to say, i was a fan of his original settings more than the calibrated settings.
that said, i'm just glad you can adjust a lot on those speakers. although, i still want to demo some more sets before i make my decision.
that said, since i don't have an exact set of speakers lined up yet, would purchasing a receiver now be a bad idea? i'm 99% sure i want to get the denon 4311ci because it looks like a very solid all around receiver. i'm pretty sure it will push any speakers i get to a very solid level. there is a decent price on it at $1300 right now too. i will also be able to use this receiver with my current 5.1 setup until i make my decision on other speakers to purchase.
additionally, i demo'ed the panasonic 8000 projector this past weekend and that is the one i'm going to buy. i'm waiting for a website to get it back in stock so i can purchase it at $2800. i watched a scene of SPR on there as well as tested some 3D, and played ssf4 on it to test input lag, which really surprised me how little input lag there was.
oh and meanwhile, i'm panel prepping my 60" ST50 which will be done this friday, then i can really see what it's made of.
purbeast0
No Lifer
nowhere in my post did i say it sounded harsh.
alkemyst
No Lifer
"high-pitch-ness" "sharp" etc are ways one describes harshness usually.
Also regardless if it's not sounding natural, it's not setup right.
For that price you can achieve tat AND some.
Heck I was able to achieve it for under $1000
Denon 1609- $169 (2 zone)
Polk Audio Monitor 50 $160
Polk Audio CS1 - $80
Polk Audio Monitor 30 - $70
Polk Audio Sub PSW505 - $199
Total - $678
Mind you this is probably Low end system and I have heard upper/mid range systems at my friends house. It's better/louder for sure.
Put million dollars in my bank account right now and I will still not be able to justify the difference in price. We are talking 5-10x the price for 5-10% improvement at best.
In PC hardware terms, it's like getting a $1000 intel over $300 intel. If you are not a pro and work on your PC and run all kinds of Video editing software etc....you will NOT notice the difference/of it will be very small.
Don't go nuts.....unless you are a HARD CORE audiophile/expert/in music industry.
That's just me.
Be careful about "expert" advice. Are you an expert? Or just want decent/good quality sound.
I had exact concerns before pulling the trigger on the Polk sub (which btw are not known for great subs......based on experts).
I couldn't be more happier. My system is MORE than what I wanted and some.
Have you ever had a surround sound system at your house? Is this your first? Seriously, low end options are very good right now as the industry has been struggling (thanks to MP3 players and general low demand for quality sound).
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purbeast0
No Lifer
my current setup was a $2500 or so setup at it's time, and it fucking SUCKS compared to the system i demo'd this past weekend, which is probably close to $10k, and we're just talking the sound - a 5.1 speaker system + receiver.
on it's own my current surround system is decent and good enough, however i want more.
it is a night and day difference, and if you can't tell the difference between the two, then you just don't really care about quality or haven't pushed it loud enough.
i'm not saying your system sucks or anything by that means, but it is just that you probably don't care much about the difference in quality.
i don't want to simply listen'/watch a movie, i want to be engulfed in the world of the movie as though it is the only thing that exists while i'm watching it, and feel it just as much as watch it.
I understand, seems like you are a lot bigger enthusiast than I thought.
To me differences are small, but everyone is different so I can relate.
But don't say I don't care about quality, cause I do and my "sucky system by your standards" accomplishes/satisfy my needs and it does accomplish "the only thing that exists". 🙂
If you have a 3k system and it's not enough, your needs are obviously way beyond where mine will ever be.
alkemyst
No Lifer
It's actually very different than that. That Polk stuff is not good really...it works and it's great bang for buck over a home theatre in a box, but if you are saying a upper/mid range system was only 5-10% better than your's then it's clear you really don't care what you are listening too.
purbeast0
No Lifer
i'm in MD near DC. i actually drove up to frederick, md this past weekend to demo the 8000, which was kind of a hike.
definitely wouldn't be able to make it up there this weekend though. i have my football game on saturday in the middle of the day and before/after that i'm going to be working on a house project, and brothers birthday is on sunday.
what part of pa btw?
Anubis
No Lifer
South East - Near West Chester
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1420544/ne-pa-ny-nj-de-md-va-gtg-take-two/0_100
Thanks for telling me what I care about/what I don't.
Look, my friend's parents own a company that produces custom receivers that range in the 6 digits. I heard/seen them and also heard plenty of mid/upper end system as well (3-5k and 10k+)
TO ME (this obviously doesn't apply to anyone) I would never be able to justify the price/performance increase.
But I understand that it doesn't apply to everyone (we all have different needs/wants etc).
purbeast0
No Lifer
yea i mean, what my goal is, is to have the movie theater experience in my home.
and there is no way you can ever convince me that your setup will be even CLOSE to that at home, simply because it can't 🙂
purbeast0
No Lifer
ah, yea that is definitely out of the way for me. looks like there is going to be a SHITLOAD of equipment there though, would have been awesome to demo some of that stuff out to get more listening experience.
most likely i'm going to purchase that receiver tonight though. it can power my "crappy" 5.1 for now until i get my new speakers heh. my current receiver doesn't even have HDMI on it, it's from like 2001 🙁
Again we are all different.
My set up provides me Movie Theater experience at home....
MANY people will tell you that an in box home theater will do that for them. Different strokes for different folks.
It's human nature to always want more/better etc. I hate that side of nature and live with the decisions I make (especially if they are expensive ones, and yes $700 home theater is an expensive decision TO ME). 99% of people are more than happy with shitty TV speakers this day and age......so it's all about perspective.
😎 :biggrin:
purbeast0
No Lifer
well, it is just a fact that your speakers at home and a HTIB won't give the movie theater experience at home. one can trick themself into thinking that, or they have really shitty theaters in their neighborhoods, but it isn't even close.
having 5.1 at home doesn't necessarily mean having a movie theater experience at home. just because you enjoy it as much as a movie theater experience, does not mean it is really close to the same thing.
we'll just agree to disagree.
Yeah, I have the full RF-62 system (RF-62s, RC-62, RS-52s, RW-12d). The sub is definitely the weak part of the equation. But I also have only lived in apartments for awhile so the sub pretty much never gets used and I can't really push the system to what it was designed to do.
I also don't find the horns harsh, but that's probably because I just haven't really listened to anything other than horn based speakers growing up and I don't have enough exposure.
Yeah Vdub, you should notice a definite step up in sound quality going from a ~$600 system (excluding electronics) to a $2-3k sound system (excluding electronics again). It should not be a 5-10% difference but 50-200%. Size matters in sound reproduction, 6.5" drivers vs 5.25" will be noticeable at higher powers and then the monster 10" drivers should be immediately obvious the difference in sound.
I also don't find the horns harsh, but that's probably because I just haven't really listened to anything other than horn based speakers growing up and I don't have enough exposure.
Yeah Vdub, you should notice a definite step up in sound quality going from a ~$600 system (excluding electronics) to a $2-3k sound system (excluding electronics again). It should not be a 5-10% difference but 50-200%. Size matters in sound reproduction, 6.5" drivers vs 5.25" will be noticeable at higher powers and then the monster 10" drivers should be immediately obvious the difference in sound.
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JackBurton
Lifer
Hey purbeast0, I don't want to make this decision any harder than it is for you, but I thought I'd pass this along. Last week I had a chance to demo B&W's 805 Diamond speakers. If you aren't familiar with them, they are bookshelf size speakers with an MRSP of about $5K (for the pair). Anyway, they sounded fantastic but I didn't want to make a final decision before listening to others speakers on my list. Later on that week, I had what I consider one of the top calibrators in the country come by and calibrate my displays. During his visit, we got to talking about speakers and I let him know I was looking at possibly purchasing the 805 Diamonds. He said to give the Salk SongTowers (with ribbon tweeters) a listen to. In his opinion those would blow away the B&W's and get this, they're priced <$2500 for the pair (configured with ribbon tweeters). I've heard of Salk but never gave them a serious look. Now I'm planning to see how I can demo them. They're an online seller so they don't have a store I can walk into, so it will be a little tough. But I'm definitely adding them to my audition list.
Anyway, there are 2 things I'm trying to get across. First, add the Salk's to your list of speakers to demo. Secondly, don't judge a speaker by its price tag. There are some fantastic speakers out there that won't break the bank.
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Anubis
No Lifer
i suggested the song towers up above and ill 2nd Jacks comments about listing to them, without the ribbon tweeter they come in at 2k a pair and i guarantee you will not find a better speaker for less, or a better looking one, Salk is internet only but you can call and talk with Jim (the owner) he will take your call and talk to you for hours if you want
http://www.salksound.com/songtower home.htm
http://www.avsforum.com/f/89/speakers
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