Looking for Logical Ivy to Haswell Upgrade Path...

[Caveman]

Been out of the loop for a long time (check sig specs: )...

I'm trying to determine an upgrade path based on a rig built by Thanksgiving of this year...

So, will be Ivy... But will want the next thing when it's avail... Understanding is that it's Haswell no earlier than March...?

I usually set my chip purchase around $300 which is generally at the bottom of the enthusiest scale...

Is there a logical uprade path from Ivy to Haswell for futureproofing?

 

[Puppies04]

Different sockets so there is no direct upgrade path, are you looking to jump on haswell as soon as it is launched or wait a while?

 

[BrightCandle]

For the desktop chip the motherboard will change socket so you wont be able to carry that across, but it still supports DDR3 so it is just CPU + MB.

Haswell enterprise/enthusiast will likely have DDR4 so there the RAM wont carry across at all well (poor socket 2011 users).

 

[Caveman]

Bummer... I'd be wanting to jump on ASAP... As a Tock, I'd expect 30-40% performance increase, yes?

Been waiting so long and I've got a nice break coming up from work near the end of the year I want to leverage the free time to build/enjoy a new rig...

Sounds like I need to go Ultra Cheap on the Ivy setup and then dump for small loss to go Haswell... Basically trading 6 months use for whatever I lose when I sell MB, CPU and Memory...

 

[Magic Carpet]

Bummer... I'd be wanting to jump on ASAP... As a Tock, I'd expect 30-40% performance increase, yes?

That would be great! Only time will tell.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Bummer... I'd be wanting to jump on ASAP... As a Tock, I'd expect 30-40% performance increase, yes?

Thats not gonna happen. At best up to 20%.

If you buy Ivy today, then I dont see any reason to go Haswell. Then you can just as well wait for Broadwell or Skylake.

 

[zaydq]

I purchased Sandy bridge over Ivy bridge simply because I didn't see it necessary to get small gains for higher temperatures. I would imagine you should wait for Haswell and skip the ivy bridge jump... wasting money for no real world gains. You'd be building an LGA1155 build just to have to change the mobo and cpu out 6 months later.

 

[BrightCandle]

Bummer... I'd be wanting to jump on ASAP... As a Tock, I'd expect 30-40% performance increase, yes?
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In recent years tocks have been brining about 15% or so, 40% is extremely unlikely except in some rare circumstance. The new AVX instructions will bring a lot more floating point performance, but whether a lot of our apps can even utilise the instructions is another matter.

 

[Zardnok]

Been out of the loop for a long time (check sig specs: )...

I'm trying to determine an upgrade path based on a rig built by Thanksgiving of this year...

So, will be Ivy... But will want the next thing when it's avail... Understanding is that it's Haswell no earlier than March...?

I usually set my chip purchase around $300 which is generally at the bottom of the enthusiest scale...

Is there a logical uprade path from Ivy to Haswell for futureproofing?

There are really only two "Enthusiast" Ivy chips so far, so the bottom of the Enthusiast scale is where I would go for you as well with the i5 3570K at $200ish. I would pair it up with a medium range Z77 motherboard from Asus, Gigabyte, or Asrock in the $150ish range. You will be out $350ish, but would be able to sell the combo in a year easily for $250ish which should cover the cost of your new Haswell chip.

 

[ShintaiDK]

I purchased Sandy bridge over Ivy bridge simply because I didn't see it necessary to get small gains for higher temperatures.

Thats just silly if that was your only argument.

 

[Zardnok]

I purchased Sandy bridge over Ivy bridge simply because I didn't see it necessary to get small gains for higher temperatures. I would imagine you should wait for Haswell and skip the ivy bridge jump... wasting money for no real world gains. You'd be building an LGA1155 build just to have to change the mobo and cpu out 6 months later.

Ivy Bridge is designed to run hotter so the higher temps are not a problem. Besides, with a decent cooler the temps shouldn't be a problem anyways. Give me the higher IPC and latest tech of Ivy please, but enjoy your Sandy; they are awesome chips.

 

[2is]

Considering how long you've had your current system, why the hurry to upgrade to Haswell should you move to IB now?

 

[Caveman]

Considering how long you've had your current system, why the hurry to upgrade to Haswell should you move to IB now?

I love flight simulation... I try to balance my $$ against CPU as well as video card power (if I was a building for FPS I'd bias my $$ against a video card) .

My job has been crazy for 5 years and I just haven't had time for any "fun"... My window of opportunity seems to be late fall/winter so I have to time my buys to match that... If I don't jump in as soon as the window opens, I'll waste my free time...

 

[Caveman]

Thats not gonna happen. At best up to 20%.

If you buy Ivy today, then I dont see any reason to go Haswell. Then you can just as well wait for Broadwell or Skylake.

Broadwell and Skylake the Ticks for Haswell? When are those due out?

 

[ShintaiDK]

Broadwell and Skylake the Ticks for Haswell? When are those due out?

Broadwell is the 14nm version of Haswell. Skylake is a new uarch again on 14nm.

They all come with a year in between. Hence the tick/tock model.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Solution...buy the following:

CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819116504

Mobo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813157297

You'll see a huge upgrade for cheap. No need for Haswell.

 

[StrangerGuy]

You can like grab a cheapo SB pentium/H67 board/8GB DDR3 to tide out if you want but I wouldn't myself because all signs and trends point Haswell to be revolutionary on the GPU side (useless here) and not the CPU.

 

[2is]

Solution...buy the following:

CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819116504

Mobo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813157297

You'll see a huge upgrade for cheap. No need for Haswell.

Seconded