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[AzN]

Originally posted by: montypythizzle
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16817189005

SLi certified when it meant something.

Xclio power supplies are actually on the flaky side when it comes to power supplies. I wouldn't power a GTX 2x0 with it. Go with GTS250 or 4850.

 

[toyota]

actually I got this thread mixed up with another one and thought he was at 1440x900. yeah at 1920x1080 his 2.5 X2 wouldnt be much of an issue with a gts250.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: toyota

Originally posted by: montypythizzle

Originally posted by: evolucion8

Originally posted by: s44
Two years of constant use means that the max output of the PSU has degraded somewhat anyway. I'd stick to the GTS250. WoW, I believe, much prefers Nvidia.

You realize, I guess, that the GTS250 is a die-shrink (with more RAM) of the 9800GTX+, which is the GT with more shaders (112 vs 128) and higher clocks.

The GTS 250 is the same GPU used in the 9800GTX+, both are manufactured under the 55nm process, the only difference is that the PCB used in the GTS 250 is shorter and is designed to consume less power, both are pretty much equal with the same clock speeds etc, and will be competitive with the HD 4850 specially when FSAA is not used.

So how good do these GTS250s OC, stock cooling probably.

with your cpu, overclocking the gts250 could have little to no impact in most games anyway. that being said they overclock to around 800 just fine but every card can vary of course.

1920x1080 is more GPU limited than CPU. Why do you keep insisting spreading false information? :/

He isn't. There is a real possibility that the OP's CPU, if overclocked even further to say 3GHz, would improve framerates even at 19x12. You said it yourself, the GPU is MORE limited than the CPU at 19x12, which says to me that they are both contributing limiters, not JUST the GPU. Imagine the OP having a 4GHz C2Q.

 

[Soulkeeper]

Originally posted by: toyota

Originally posted by: Soulkeeper
Just to clarify on my post:

this is from an XFX gtx 216
Power Requirements:
Non-SLI: 630W Minimum Power Supply

something goes, wrong and you call XFX (or whoever) ... "ohh your power supply doesn't meet the requirements"
wasted time return, etc.
so basically recommending someone go against that is a bad idea.


Not to mention we don't know the dimensions of the person's case (gtx series are massive hot cards) and I for one have never heard anything great about that psu brand/model.

that psu rating is for people that dont know jack about computers and buy power supplies just based on the wattage rating. thats also assuming a loaded out high end quad core system. a basic system with a gtx260 would never run into a problem with even a decent 400 watt psu.

look at my pc with a gtx260. I typically pull around 200 watts at the wall during gaming and have never used more than 250 watts even during furmark. the most my system would ever use even while cpu and gpu are at 100% would still be less than 300watts at the wall. factor in 85% effecieny and i would never have too worry about even hitting 250 watts no matter what.

why do you have to quote what I say ?
Regardless of what is pulled from the wall or what your experiences are or even what you think you have to teach me. It's not a good idea to recommend somebody buy a product that says they need something on the box that isn't in there system.

It's just not professional.

ok flip a coin maybe there are enough amps on the 12v rail for the 500 watter in question ..... maybe not ...
product returns are never fun.

 

[toyota]

Originally posted by: Soulkeeper

Originally posted by: toyota

Originally posted by: Soulkeeper
Just to clarify on my post:

this is from an XFX gtx 216
Power Requirements:
Non-SLI: 630W Minimum Power Supply

something goes, wrong and you call XFX (or whoever) ... "ohh your power supply doesn't meet the requirements"
wasted time return, etc.
so basically recommending someone go against that is a bad idea.


Not to mention we don't know the dimensions of the person's case (gtx series are massive hot cards) and I for one have never heard anything great about that psu brand/model.

that psu rating is for people that dont know jack about computers and buy power supplies just based on the wattage rating. thats also assuming a loaded out high end quad core system. a basic system with a gtx260 would never run into a problem with even a decent 400 watt psu.

look at my pc with a gtx260. I typically pull around 200 watts at the wall during gaming and have never used more than 250 watts even during furmark. the most my system would ever use even while cpu and gpu are at 100% would still be less than 300watts at the wall. factor in 85% effecieny and i would never have too worry about even hitting 250 watts no matter what.

why do you have to quote what I say ?
Regardless of what is pulled from the wall or what your experiences are or even what you think you have to teach me. It's not a good idea to recommend somebody buy a product that says they need something on the box that isn't in there system.

It's just not professional.

ok flip a coin maybe there are enough amps on the 12v rail for the 500 watter in question ..... maybe not ...
product returns are never fun.

all I was saying is that they greatly overestimate and base those ratings on crappy psus that arent really 630 watt units in the first place. they also base those numbers on a loaded up quad core system with at least a few drives. they cant list what power supplies or companies to avoid and they cant have a psu recommendation for every individual hardware setup. the fact of the matter is that if you have fairly basic system and are using a high quality name brand psu than you can always go below what the recommended psu is. it is a little bit silly some of the psu recommendations these companies have though and too many waste money upgrading a psu for nothing. I have seen plenty of people go out and buy a 450-500 watt psu for an 8600gt in low end pc. oh and you dont have to flip a coin if you take a few minutes to actually learn about power supplies.

 

[AzN]

Originally posted by: Keysplayr

Originally posted by: Azn

Originally posted by: toyota

Originally posted by: montypythizzle

Originally posted by: evolucion8

Originally posted by: s44
Two years of constant use means that the max output of the PSU has degraded somewhat anyway. I'd stick to the GTS250. WoW, I believe, much prefers Nvidia.

You realize, I guess, that the GTS250 is a die-shrink (with more RAM) of the 9800GTX+, which is the GT with more shaders (112 vs 128) and higher clocks.

The GTS 250 is the same GPU used in the 9800GTX+, both are manufactured under the 55nm process, the only difference is that the PCB used in the GTS 250 is shorter and is designed to consume less power, both are pretty much equal with the same clock speeds etc, and will be competitive with the HD 4850 specially when FSAA is not used.

So how good do these GTS250s OC, stock cooling probably.

with your cpu, overclocking the gts250 could have little to no impact in most games anyway. that being said they overclock to around 800 just fine but every card can vary of course.

1920x1080 is more GPU limited than CPU. Why do you keep insisting spreading false information? :/

He isn't. There is a real possibility that the OP's CPU, if overclocked even further to say 3GHz, would improve framerates even at 19x12. You said it yourself, the GPU is MORE limited than the CPU at 19x12, which says to me that they are both contributing limiters, not JUST the GPU. Imagine the OP having a 4GHz C2Q.

That would depend entirely on the card itself. I think the OP has set on a GTS250 aka 9800gtx+ in disguise. At 1920x1080 it's hitting GTS250 gpu limitation. Of course there are some games that are CPU dependent like MMO and games like GTA4 other wise no. CPU makes makes minimum impact whether it be 3.0ghz or 2.5ghz. Now if were talking about GTX275 or 4890 it would change a little bit but still GPU limited with these semi mid-high end cards.

 

[Termie]

Hope I'm not derailing here, but OP, given your system specs, you may want to consider this card, the HD4840 512MB, which lots of people around here are getting:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16814102822

While everyone's debating the benefits of 1GB vram, I don't think you'll really see the benefits of it for your games/system, so why not save 50% for nearly the same performance?

Just got one of these for my brother. It's quite nice.

 

[vj8usa]

Originally posted by: Termie
Hope I'm not derailing here, but OP, given your system specs, you may want to consider this card, the HD4840 512MB, which lots of people around here are getting:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16814102822

While everyone's debating the benefits of 1GB vram, I don't think you'll really see the benefits of it for your games/system, so why not save 50% for nearly the same performance?

Just got one of these for my brother. It's quite nice.

That 4830 you linked to actually has a $5 coupon code now, and free shipping. For $70 (after rebate) shipped, that's a hell of a good value.

 

[Soulkeeper]

Originally posted by: toyota

Originally posted by: Soulkeeper

Originally posted by: toyota

Originally posted by: Soulkeeper
Just to clarify on my post:

this is from an XFX gtx 216
Power Requirements:
Non-SLI: 630W Minimum Power Supply

something goes, wrong and you call XFX (or whoever) ... "ohh your power supply doesn't meet the requirements"
wasted time return, etc.
so basically recommending someone go against that is a bad idea.


Not to mention we don't know the dimensions of the person's case (gtx series are massive hot cards) and I for one have never heard anything great about that psu brand/model.

that psu rating is for people that dont know jack about computers and buy power supplies just based on the wattage rating. thats also assuming a loaded out high end quad core system. a basic system with a gtx260 would never run into a problem with even a decent 400 watt psu.

look at my pc with a gtx260. I typically pull around 200 watts at the wall during gaming and have never used more than 250 watts even during furmark. the most my system would ever use even while cpu and gpu are at 100% would still be less than 300watts at the wall. factor in 85% effecieny and i would never have too worry about even hitting 250 watts no matter what.

why do you have to quote what I say ?
Regardless of what is pulled from the wall or what your experiences are or even what you think you have to teach me. It's not a good idea to recommend somebody buy a product that says they need something on the box that isn't in there system.

It's just not professional.

ok flip a coin maybe there are enough amps on the 12v rail for the 500 watter in question ..... maybe not ...
product returns are never fun.

all I was saying is that they greatly overestimate and base those ratings on crappy psus that arent really 630 watt units in the first place. they also base those numbers on a loaded up quad core system with at least a few drives. they cant list what power supplies or companies to avoid and they cant have a psu recommendation for every individual hardware setup. the fact of the matter is that if you have fairly basic system and are using a high quality name brand psu than you can always go below what the recommended psu is. it is a little bit silly some of the psu recommendations these companies have though and too many waste money upgrading a psu for nothing. I have seen plenty of people go out and buy a 450-500 watt psu for an 8600gt in low end pc. oh and you dont have to flip a coin if you take a few minutes to actually learn about power supplies.

OK, i'll play the quote and re-quote game with you.

You really think you know something don't you ?
stupid ass troll.

Let's cool it with the mudslinging, please. If you don't wish to debate the point with the person, then you're always free to leave the thread.

AmberClad
Video Moderator

 

[Soulkeeper]

thank you AmberClad

 

[montypythizzle]

Oh wow, a wild HD4830 appears. It seems on par with the 9800GT.

Comparison to GTS250:
1. GTS250 seems to be 5-10 FPS more than the HD4830 in most tests.
2. The GTS250 comes with a game I will probably not use.
3. I have nVidia drivers currently.
4. XFX or Sapphire (Had an X800XT or something before (from Sapphire) and never had troubles with the card so didn't really need a warranty)
5. $145 Vs. 90

I know, just with the price I should just go with the HD4830, and I think I will.

 

[s44]

I don't play, but everything I've read indicates that for World of Warcraft, ATI = driver nightmare while Nvidia = just works.

Not to spread FUD, but unless this has changed in the last months, you should be careful. That 4830 is a great deal, but not if it gives you headaches for the one thing you play.

 

[lopri]

I've heard similar stories as well. Not to a degree of ATI nightmare, but NV is a safer choice on WoW front.

 

[montypythizzle]

HMM, we will just have to see how much money I will be able to spend, but 55$ is kind of a lot when talking about 5-10FPS.

 

[toyota]

Originally posted by: Soulkeeper
thank you AmberClad

um Im the one who should be thanking him because wow you really need some help. I nicely explain to you why video card companies say what they do and you get personally offended and call me a troll? and are you unfamiliar with why the quote feature is there in the first place?



If I had a nickel for every time someone has mistakenly referred to me as a "he" or "him"...

Toyota - Soulkeeper has apparently PMed me agreeing not to take the issue any further, so there's no need for you to harp on it either. Thanks.

AmberClad
Video Moderator

 

[toyota]

double post

 

[toyota]

Originally posted by: toyota

Originally posted by: Soulkeeper
thank you AmberClad

um Im the one who should be thanking him because wow you really need some help. I nicely explain to you why video card companies say what they do and you get personally offended and call me a troll? and are you unfamiliar with why the quote feature is there in the first place?



If I had a nickel for every time someone has mistakenly referred to me as a "he" or "him"...

Toyota - Soulkeeper has apparently PMed me agreeing not to take the issue any further, so there's no need for you to harp on it either. Thanks.

AmberClad
Video Moderator

sorry about thinking you were a dude. lol.


okay but I guess I never realized there was even an issue until I see Soulkeeper calling me a troll this afternoon. I didnt know explaining the reasoning behind why a company would say something would be considered trolling by him. also certainly didnt think quoting someone would offend them.

 

[Malakai]

I got my Sapphire HD4830 for 100 dollars shipped from newegg. It overclocks quite well, mine out benches a 4850@stock.

Anything past a HD4850 is really not needed for single monitor 1920x1200 or less gaming, as the 4830 runs all the games I play at 1920x1200 very well.

 

[montypythizzle]

Originally posted by: Malakai
I got my Sapphire HD4830 for 100 dollars shipped from newegg. It overclocks quite well, mine out benches a 4850@stock.

Anything past a HD4850 is really not needed for single monitor 1920x1200 or less gaming, as the 4830 runs all the games I play at 1920x1200 very well.

GRR why does everyone have to make it hard for me to choose the GTS250. Now it is 10$ cheaper AND MIR.

 

[montypythizzle]

Bump for more opinions.

 

[Zstream]

Originally posted by: montypythizzle
Bump for more opinions.

I would just get the 4830 on the cheap. Really hard to pass that up for 90$. If you can find a 9800gt for 90$ go for the GT.

Never had any problems with ATI hardware and WOW *shrug*

 

[montypythizzle]

HMM, I think even ATi drivers were more stable for me O_O, I guess I will save the money and get the ATi.

 

[Jeff7181]

I have this Asus 8800GT I'm willing to sell for a reasonable price if you're interested. I replaced it with a GTS 250 because I wanted something with lower power consumption and more memory since I game at 1920x1200.

The 8800GT works fine though. The heatsink/fan is great... very quiet. I never overclocked it for more than a few minutes so I'm not sure what it's actually capable of as far as that goes. I bought it last June and just replaced it about a month ago so I don't think reliability is anything you have to worry about even though the last couple reviews on newegg talk about it dying.

PM me if you're interested.