Looking for benchmarks P4 3.6 vs AMD's line

[Mr Bob]

I can't really find any benchmarks that compare the P4 3.6 to AMD's lineup of their athlon processors.

Any help?

 

[Markfw]

Heres one. They are all over. AMD is currently in the lead by a fair amount, not even counting all the lower heat and power usage

 

[Mr Bob]

Anyone else finding this thread while searching for benchmarks, also note this one that I just found: http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware/Reviews/pentium-4-670/2.html

Thanks Mark, the search here kinda sucks. I searched for p4 3.6 and came up with pretty much nothing.

 

[Markfw]

That test is not from what we here call a reputable site. Check the Anand review I linked to and you will see the difference. If you want to include dual-core, anandtech does that also. Just go to the tab at the top of this page that says cpu !

 

[Mr Bob]

I am mainly only looking for comparisons between the athlons and the p4 3.6. So far all the other reviews on Anand are just for the Athlon, they don't compare it to the p4 3.6.

 

[Markfw]

Its right on the page I linked to, the Pentium4 660.

 

[Bona Fide]

Mr Bob, go to Mark's link. The green bars are AMD processors, and the blue bars are Intel. The red bar is the one being reviewed (P4 670 3.8GHz), but your 3.6GHz is also there. Look towards the middle of each graph.

 

[Mr Bob]

I did go to Marks link, I was just saying that there are zero results when using the search... Where did I say that I didn't read his link?

I even says "Thanks Mark" after he posted it...

 

[Markfw]

Whay do you want the reviews ? Time to upgrade ? What is it you do ? (applications) whats the budget ? I think you will find that no matter what you do, there is an AMD processor that does it better, faster, coller and with less power consumption. If you peruse these forums, you will see that very quickly.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Markfw900
Whay do you want the reviews ? Time to upgrade ? What is it you do ? (applications) whats the budget ? I think you will find that no matter what you do, there is an AMD processor that does it better, faster, coller and with less power consumption. If you peruse these forums, you will see that very quickly.

yep and these forums are AMD biased.......
Rofl there are other places that are not biased in anyways whatsoever!!

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: Markfw900
Whay do you want the reviews ? Time to upgrade ? What is it you do ? (applications) whats the budget ? I think you will find that no matter what you do, there is an AMD processor that does it better, faster, coller and with less power consumption. If you peruse these forums, you will see that very quickly.

yep and these forums are AMD biased.......
Rofl there are other places that are not biased in anyways whatsoever!!

Biased ? Maybe because they are currently the best ? Do you have any facts to prove this wrong ?

 

[Aenslead]

If you mean we REALLY REALLY like the AMD brand, then... yeah, we are sort of biased.

 

[Aenslead]

Originally posted by: Markfw900
Heres one. They are all over. AMD is currently in the lead by a fair amount, not even counting all the lower heat and power usage

Correct me if I am mistaken, but that 3400+ they show there is actually a Skt754 chip, isn't it?

 

[TheStu]

I think so, I think that is what the 1CH or 2 CH indicate. Single or Dual Channel Memory interface

 

[Aenslead]

AVERAGE TOTAL DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 3800 AND 3400: 7.56%

Is this due to the dual channel? or is it because of core improvements?

 

[jiffylube1024]

Originally posted by: Aenslead
AVERAGE TOTAL DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 3800 AND 3400: 7.56%

Is this due to the dual channel? or is it because of core improvements?

Dual Channel is responsible for the bulk of the 7.56% difference in that case.


Markfw900 is right, there are reviews comparing the 3.6 GHz P4's all over the place. You just have to know what to look for. Search for a review containing the Pentium 4 660 or 560 (whichever version you have).

Many reviews will have either a spectrum of processors (like the Anandtech reviews, which do all the work for you and have pretty much the whole lineup from both companies), or they'll have a few processors that might or might not contain yours. For reviews with, say a P4 3 Ghz and a P4 3.8 Ghz (and maybe one more in between), it's not that hard to extrapolate the performance of a 3.6 Ghz CPU from the given results.

Markfw900 is also correct about the AMD chips currently being faster. Check out any comprehensive review containing a 3500+, 3800+, etc. on a Socket 939 platform using dual channel DDR. vs a 3.4, 3.6 and 3.8 GHz P4 on it's flagship Socket 775 motherboards with DDR2 and you will see that the A64 wins in most benchmarks at similar clockspeed vs AMD's PR Rating (eg. a 3500+ or 3400+ vs a P4 3.4 and 3.6 GHz).

 

[Duvie]

Lets do some math here shall we....

P4 660 (cause why would you get anything other then the 6xx series!!!) = $395.00

the best I could compare it to by price is A64 4000+ = $350.00


In the AT test mark linked....

Gaming = AMD(12%) AMD(15%) AMD(12%)
rendering = AMD(10%) AMD(10%) INT(1%)
workstation = INT(2%) AMD(1%) AMD(3%) INT(1%) AMD(5%) AMD(4%) AMD(16%)

I don't see a whole lot of wins there....I will look at another....something with some encoding...

Ultimately the P4 if it is reasonably close is better IMO cause the HT will definitely help if you are a multitasker like me....

I would take a P4 6xx sereis w/ HT if:

1) I didn't want to OC
2) I am going to multitask
3) If the chips I was buying was within 10% of an equal price AMD cpu....


I would need of them to be yes, which in my case I wouldn't get....but you should ask this yourself...

 

[DarkKnight69]

I visit other forums where we have good discussion, not just AMD PWNS JOO!!!!

INTEL SUCKS!!! INTEL IS GONNA DIE!!!!

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: DarkKnight69
I visit other forums where we have good discussion, not just AMD PWNS JOO!!!!

INTEL SUCKS!!! INTEL IS GONNA DIE!!!!

You mean where you all hand jack each other with specific benches or find that one obscure site...basically shop for the results you want....Yeah sound like fun, NOT!!!

If i was encoding and multitasking and was only looking at single cores I would get a Intel P4 w/ HT in a heartbeat...However if you are going to throw down near 400 dollars for a 660 P4 I would rather have a 3800+ X2 for cheaper and then it still beats the 660 ingames but now crushes in rendering adn the only area the single core P4 beats the single core A64 in...ENCODING....

 

[Shenkoa]

YOU WANT THE TRUTH, YOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH!

Here it is all broken down for you. (SINGLE CORE ONLY) with dual core AMD just dominates.

AMD (PGA THAT WORKS)

The Athlon 64 is faster for gaming
The Athlon 64 is faster with buisness and office apps
The Athlon 64 has better bang for the buck
The Athlon 64 Overclocks better

INTEL P4 (LGA THAT BREAKS)

The P4 is faster for encoding Mp3's, DIVX, MPG you name it!
The P4 is better for multitasking
The P4 is beter for 3D Rendering Applications

THATS IT, THATS THE OVERALL TRUTH WHEN TALKING ABOUT SINGLE CORE ATHLON 64's (Venice,Winchester,Newcastle,San Diego) and Pentium 4 Prescotts.

 

[anandtechrocks]

I agree with most of what you posted Shenkoa, but what do you mean "LGA THAT BREAKS"?

To the OP, I'd recommend that if you want a processor now get an AMD X2 3800+. Most people agree that Intel does not have anything that can keep up at the moment. If you are set on an Intel processor I'd wait till next year's new stuff.

 

[Shenkoa]

With Intel's LGA Socket 775, if you remove the CPU too much then it can damage the socket.

 

[Mr Bob]

What a funny thread. And all I wanted were some benchmarks to look at.

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: Shenkoa
YOU WANT THE TRUTH, YOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH!

Here it is all broken down for you. (SINGLE CORE ONLY) with dual core AMD just dominates.

AMD (PGA THAT WORKS)

The Athlon 64 is faster for gaming
The Athlon 64 is faster with buisness and office apps
The Athlon 64 has better bang for the buck
The Athlon 64 Overclocks better

INTEL P4 (LGA THAT BREAKS)

The P4 is faster for encoding Mp3's, DIVX, MPG you name it!
The P4 is better for multitasking
The P4 is beter for 3D Rendering Applications

THATS IT, THATS THE OVERALL TRUTH WHEN TALKING ABOUT SINGLE CORE ATHLON 64's (Venice,Winchester,Newcastle,San Diego) and Pentium 4 Prescotts.

The statements in bold are not true...Go look at AT's and techreports benchmarks...lame is about cpu speed and not very optimised for some of INtel codes....rendering clearly shows an equal priced 4000+ A64 beats the 3.6ghz P4 in most instances...

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: Mr Bob
What a funny thread. And all I wanted were some benchmarks to look at.

And as I and Duvie have said, they are all over the place.

And to as to shenkoa's post, that applies to single core only, and now that the X2 3800 is out, AMD owns multitasking there also.