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Looking for a good real estate forum...

Cuda1447

Lifer
As I've mentioned before, I'm in the process of looking for a home to buy. I want to be as informed about the entire process as possible, so I'd like to browse a good forum to get peoples experiences etc... Problem is, I can't seem to google search and find a good forum. I've found a few decent ones, but they seem to be based in England, so the info may not be totally relevant.

I'm looking for Florida specifically, but a general U.S. one would be fine too. Anyone know of any?


 
Do you have an agent? If not, as a buyer you should. Unless you want to buy a FSBO and not use any brokers in the process, the seller pays the buyer's agent so there's no cost to you and they'll tell you whatever you need to know.
 
My fiancee's mom is an agent, although she doesn't do it very often. She has been out of the game for awhile. I'm looking for the more detailed answers. I want to be as informed as possible about this.
 
lol. You live in Florida, where Tampa declined 2% in October with Miami declining 1.5%, and you want to buy? I wouldn't touch RE in FL with a 0% down option arm at 1% 10-year locked interest rate right now.
 
Well Legend, thats precisely why I want to find a forum to discuss these things. I respect your opinion, but I'd also like others. Perhaps it'd be best to wait 6 months. Maybe a year. I don't know. I do know that I want out of my shitty apartment 😛. I need more space and am ready for a house. For what its worth I live in Tampa, so I'm happy to see prices going down, means I get a better deal.
 
Originally posted by: Cuda1447
Well Legend, thats precisely why I want to find a forum to discuss these things. I respect your opinion, but I'd also like others. Perhaps it'd be best to wait 6 months. Maybe a year. I don't know. I do know that I want out of my shitty apartment 😛. I need more space and am ready for a house. For what its worth I live in Tampa, so I'm happy to see prices going down, means I get a better deal.

I'd personally wait to see what the Shiller index does in the next 6 months. If we see winter prices not decline as much as they did last winter and start leveling off towards spring, the worst may be over. I personally think we're about done. I've said that on an inflation-included basis the worst markets would decline ~50%, Phoenix is already at 40%, Miami at 39%. Add in 2 years of inflation, we're close.
 
Well I'm not as concerned about timing the bottom perfectly. The bottom will come, then prices will start to rise again (hopefully a bit slower than last time). I want to get in a house and I want to get in without to much hassle and at a good interest rate at a price I can afford. I also don't want to get ripped off. If I can achieve that, its worth it for me.

I'd rather buy a house now that costs $135,000 at 5.5% then get the same house for $125,000 (7.5% decline) at 6% a year later, in a market with more competition (buyers) and more hassle. See what I'm saying?
 
Originally posted by: Cuda1447
Well I'm not as concerned about timing the bottom perfectly. The bottom will come, then prices will start to rise again (hopefully a bit slower than last time). I want to get in a house and I want to get in without to much hassle and at a good interest rate at a price I can afford. I also don't want to get ripped off. If I can achieve that, its worth it for me.

I'd rather buy a house now that costs $135,000 at 5.5% then get the same house for $125,000 (7.5% decline) at 6% a year later, in a market with more competition (buyers) and more hassle. See what I'm saying?

First off, mortgage rates aren't going up too much in the near future. With the Fed making direct purchases of Agency MBS, you're going to see conforming loans go down to about 4%. Additionally, that 10K in decline will cost you 550/yr at 5.5%.

Over 30 years the difference between the two prices and interest rates stated is 93,963 vs 112,594 after assuming a 28% tax rate. However, this difference is mostly made up by the 10K price difference, the remainder would be made up by the difference in property taxes and insurance for carrying an extra 10k house.

You see, this isn't as cut and dry. You won't time the bottom and it still might appreciate before you can hit it. However, it *will* go down more in the next 6-12 months in all likelihood, and since prices are declining more than 1% per month, in Tampa's case, 2% per month, that's a pretty costly proposition to buy now, vs 1 year from now.

In my case, I am waiting. While prices in CT haven't declined as much as other areas, they have declined. When you're talking about buying a 600k house (which is the lower bound of a decent place here), even a 2% decline can be huge.

I don't think we'll see rates bottom out for another few months and they won't increase significantly for many months after that.
 
Legend, I'd really like to get more of your opinion on this subject. I'll be honest, I'm not very knowledgeable at all. I am hoping to buy/move in around June. So roughly 6 months, max. That is when the lease is up on my apartment and Im quite sick of living here. I need more space.

Anyways, I'd be more than willing to pay an extra 550 dollars a year, if it means getting out of this place a year earlier. I'd be curious as to why you think interest rates are going to go down further. If I'm not mistaken interest rates are at historical lows? I would be surprised to see them significantly below 5%. I would also imagine that when the bottom hits, it won't be for long and it will start to climb. At this point I figure there will be a lot more competition in the market. I'd rather deal with very little competition and maybe be able to get the seller to throw me a bone on closing costs or whatever, rather than have the house be worth just a little less but have the sellers but a lot less desperate than they are now.

I guess what i'm saying is I am not huge on gambling in a situation like this. I like the prices/odds I'm getting right now. Ya, they may go down a bit more, but I'm not sure its a risk I'm willing to take.

I am also trying to get a head start on this buying process. I don't want to feel rushed in a few months. Not to mention buying bank owned properties and short sale/forclosures Ive heard can take quite some time to hear back from the banks.
 
Originally posted by: Cuda1447
Legend, I'd really like to get more of your opinion on this subject. I'll be honest, I'm not very knowledgeable at all. I am hoping to buy/move in around June. So roughly 6 months, max. That is when the lease is up on my apartment and Im quite sick of living here. I need more space.

Anyways, I'd be more than willing to pay an extra 550 dollars a year, if it means getting out of this place a year earlier. I'd be curious as to why you think interest rates are going to go down further. If I'm not mistaken interest rates are at historical lows? I would be surprised to see them significantly below 5%. I would also imagine that when the bottom hits, it won't be for long and it will start to climb. At this point I figure there will be a lot more competition in the market. I'd rather deal with very little competition and maybe be able to get the seller to throw me a bone on closing costs or whatever, rather than have the house be worth just a little less but have the sellers but a lot less desperate than they are now.

I guess what i'm saying is I am not huge on gambling in a situation like this. I like the prices/odds I'm getting right now. Ya, they may go down a bit more, but I'm not sure its a risk I'm willing to take.

I am also trying to get a head start on this buying process. I don't want to feel rushed in a few months. Not to mention buying bank owned properties and short sale/forclosures Ive heard can take quite some time to hear back from the banks.

The reason why you're going to keep seeing interest rates decline is that the Fed is going out and purchasing, directly from Fannie/Freddie, MBS bonds. Those direct purchases aren't at market clearing prices for agency MBS bonds (which is actually low, but not at Fed purchase low). As a result, the cost of funds for the GSEs is way below market. The result of this is that you're seeing some 30-year fixed mortgages go out at way under 5%. Vic can probably shed more light on this.

The Fed is trying to put a floor on the prices by propping up borrowers, letting them refi at low rates out of ARM mortgages. As such, they will lock in low rates, protecting them from recasting of ARMs. Additionally, people (like you and me) will see the cheap rates and plunge into the market.

I wouldn't worry about a "lot of competition" in the market, as there's still a crap-ton of houses and mortgages out there hunting for purchasers.

I think waiting 6-months, hunting through the spring and closing early summer, with some month-to-month leasing required, would get you a great price on a decent place in Tampa.

However, I wouldn't buy before the winter price plunge, especially considering Tampa depreciation is *INCREASING*, not decreasing. I can post some images of the S&P Case/Shiller data tomorrow. I've got some good graphs and other analysis.
 
If you wouldn't mind doing that, I'd greatly appreciate it Legend. And thanks for the info. If anyone else wants to join in on this discussion feel free. It seems like myself and Legend have our own little private room 😛
 
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