IronWing
No Lifer
- Jul 20, 2001
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Carter was smart, successful, polite, devout, stable, friendly. What wasn't to like in Carter as a candidate? Also, note that a lot of what is written/said about the Carter years was really compressed out of a longer time period. Inflation was raging before Carter and continued after Carter but Carter got the blame.
I was alive during Watergate. Now, we have the Internet ... where the son of a Democrat official hacks into Palin's e-mail account. Different scenarios? Sure. However, what was the kid looking for in her e-mail account?
Jimmy carter, besides being one of our greatest Presidents, was a deep embarrassment as a fundamentalist Christians. Instead of being a typical sick psychopath of a so called Christian, he was the real thing. Under Carter the working man, the middle class, reached the apex of their buying power vs income. It has been down hill under Republicans ever since. Carter must be continuously slimed because it is necessary to put pig shit on the lips of a saint least younger generations see the Republican emperor for the necked asshole he is. Carter is slimed by dirt bags who aren't worth his spit.
Good point. Why would anyone vote for any president for a 2nd term? After all, it's just a "lame duck" session for 4 years. Clinton shouldn't have had a 2nd term either.
StageLeft
No Lifer
- Sep 29, 2000
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I pretty much thought the same of Gore. v. Bush (and Bush v. Kerry).
I feel much better about whoever wins this year. First time in 20 years, no Clinton or Bush in the white house!
Why was Jimmy Carter kept on the sidelines of the Democratic convention this year? Heck, if he was the best thing since sliced bread, then one would think Obama would have wanted him on the stage.
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** I'm also aware of McCain keeping George Bush at an arm's length during the Republican convention, too ... so, there's no need for you to head down that road.
Who would have even guessed that she used yahoo for official governor business? It does reveal a lack of sophistication on her part.
From what I understand, it wasn't really hacking. He simply fooled a person at yahoo into resetting the password. Nobody keeps anything serious on yahoo email - well, at least, they shouldn't.
So, you're equating the break-in of democratic campaign offices at the watergate to this kid getting into palin's email? What if he would have found that she was actually engaged in espionage for a foreign government? Would we be congratulating the kid now?
Woodward and Bernstein's "All the President's Men" should be required reading to illustrate just how sick and paranoid a person in power can get - and how others will go along with it.
I wished for Jimmy Carter all through the Reagan disaster, the Bush I disaster and the Bush II disaster.
Quite frankly after Nixon, we voted for decency.
Why can't we do both? I never quite understood why being personally conservative also required you to be a complete jackass when it comes to the big picture. Or for that matter why you can't be liberal when you talk about what government should accomplish while still doing your part on a personal level. There is nothing inherently mutually exclusive about those ideas, I think it's just that people sometimes hold liberal or conservative views for the wrong reasons. So combining the best of both philosophies might seem strange to someone who's a liberal because she's lazy, or someone who's conservative because deep down he's just a huge douche-nozzle.
If you liked Carter, get ready for his second term in Office when Obama gets elected. Say hello to ultra-high gas prices and 17% motrgage interest rates!
Don't tell me what roads to head down in the pretense that's where I would head. Billions were spent turning Jimmy Carter into the devil. His reputation was destroyed by filth and scum. He has been turned into damaged goods. When the filth and the damage go to the grave Carter's reputation as a great President will establish itself as a fact of history.
Carter warned of energy dependence and consumerism. He was destroyed for that. Now the country is dying because they couldn't hear his warning. He was slimed for oil and the wealthy. Reagan taught that greed is good, the message slime wanted to hear.
All true. But he was also a first class PVSSY! And that overrides any and all other good things there may have been about him, AFAIC.
Fixed. The guy who put Paul Volcker in place to fix inflation, who made independent energy a national priority, and who actually has foreign policy care about human rights.
Brovane
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- Dec 18, 2001
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Ford alienated a lot of people when he pardoned Nixon after Watergate. He decided the country needed to move on and put Watergate behind them so he pardoned Nixon which basically squelched any attempt to put Nixon through a criminal trial. IMHO this was the correct decision for the country so they could move on. Ford was nominated as a VP after Nixon's first VP (Agnew) resigned and was then approved by Congress. Overall I think Ford was ok and he probably was the most down to earth president's we have had. However the pardon of Nixon really shot down his attempt at reelection. However he never shied away from the Pardon and took full responsibility as the correct decision. Also in 1975 for the Republican nomination (which should have been a given) he had to run against Reagan for the nomination who was running very strong against him. Ford was very humble and originally didn't even want to run for President in 1976.
Ford was a poor president whose main virtue was lacking the huge flaws of his predecessor.
The best that can usually be said about him is things like 'basically personally honest' and other personality traits not especially relevant to how good a president he was.
I give him more negative marks for things such as keeping Kissinger in place, and with Kissinger, secretly greenlighting the slaughter of 250,000 East Timorans by Indonesia.
He also gave us Rumsfeld (his youg chief of staff) and Cheney (who Rumsfeld insisted come with him as a package) thankyouverymuch.
The biggest policy I recall was his 'Whip Inflation Now' campaign, but it was left to Carter to actually get the nation on the road to doing it (though Reagan reaped the credit).
I oppose his pardon of Nixon, but I do not think there was a 'secret deal' as so many reasonably suspected.
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