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VirtualLarry

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I do mostly gaming with it
I don't plan on doing any overclocking.
I guess I missed that you were primarily interested in gaming. I thought that you were not, when you started talking about pre-builts and no overclocking.

In that case, I do recommend either:
1) A Ryzen 7 1700X, if you do any significant content creation work besides gaming, or want to game + stream on the same rig, or
2) A Coffee Lake i7, 6C/12T, should have a Turbo of nearly 4.3-4.5Ghz, should work fine without any manual overclocking.

In either case, don't get the 7700K, it's way too thread-limited these days, and not at all forward-looking.
 

VirtualLarry

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Lol, you are talking to a person who personally buys seemingly 20+ cheapest CPU for no discernible reason due to what can only be described as a mental condition.
Look up him and waltchan's posts on the forums for a good laugh.
I deal, or used to deal, in a lot of budget stuff. But I was buying more-or-less current budget CPUs. Waltchan is obsessed with price depreciation, and buying up old tech, albeit recently-manufactured, for reasons that I personally can only think of as a type of fraud. He recently recommended an i3-2100 Sandy Bridge CPU, supposedly selling for $15. I generally don't touch older tech much, although I more recently bought some OEM Dells, with Sandy and Ivy quad-cores, just to get CPU power on the cheap. After my experiences with those rigs, I dunno, maybe waltchan has a point. Though, I wouldn't really touch Sandy Bridge or Core2 rigs these days. The Dell OEM with a Sandy i5-2400, I made an exception for, as I had a plan for that rig, and it was barely over $100, with 8GB of RAM, a 1TB HDD, and OS included, complete. Hard to beat that.

Edit: Although, I would prefer to deal in only Haswell-and-newer tech, if I'm buying refurb / used, but Haswell stuff seems to have kept its value really, really well, for supposedly "old" tech. Plus, Windows 7 64-bit works great on Haswell, whereas it's not officially supported at all on Kaby Lake or Ryzen. (Which is really a shame, IMHO.)

Sandy Bridge ($115):
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-390-Tower-Desktop-PC-Intel-Core-i5-2400-Processor/122466742656

Haswell ($250):
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-Optipl...3-4GHz-8GB-DDR3-RAM-1TB-HD-GOOD-/201999940707

It's just crazy how high the prices are for Haswell gear. More than twice the price, for what? 20-30% performance improvement, at most? Same DDR3, same SATA HDD tech. It's just crazy. Don't get me started on how much Skylake refurbs are going for. (Starting to sound like waltchan here.)

Edit: The next listing for a 4670 tower down, is $349!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-Optipl...u-3-40Ghz-8GB-1TB-W7Pro-Install-/263108389904

All have 8GB RAM and 1TB HDD, out of all three of those ebay listings.
 
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I deal, or used to deal, in a lot of budget stuff. But I was buying more-or-less current budget CPUs. Waltchan is obsessed with price depreciation, and buying up old tech, albeit recently-manufactured, for reasons that I personally can only think of as a type of fraud. He recently recommended an i3-2100 Sandy Bridge CPU, supposedly selling for $15. I generally don't touch older tech much, although I more recently bought some OEM Dells, with Sandy and Ivy quad-cores, just to get CPU power on the cheap. After my experiences with those rigs, I dunno, maybe waltchan has a point. Though, I wouldn't really touch Sandy Bridge or Core2 rigs these days. The Dell OEM with a Sandy i5-2400, I made an exception for, as I had a plan for that rig, and it was barely over $100, with 8GB of RAM, a 1TB HDD, and OS included, complete. Hard to beat that.

Edit: Although, I would prefer to deal in only Haswell-and-newer tech, if I'm buying refurb / used, but Haswell stuff seems to have kept its value really, really well, for supposedly "old" tech. Plus, Windows 7 64-bit works great on Haswell, whereas it's not officially supported at all on Kaby Lake or Ryzen. (Which is really a shame, IMHO.)

Sandy Bridge ($115):
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-390-Tower-Desktop-PC-Intel-Core-i5-2400-Processor/122466742656

Haswell ($250):
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-Optipl...3-4GHz-8GB-DDR3-RAM-1TB-HD-GOOD-/201999940707

It's just crazy how high the prices are for Haswell gear. More than twice the price, for what? 20-30% performance improvement, at most? Same DDR3, same SATA HDD tech. It's just crazy. Don't get me started on how much Skylake refurbs are going for. (Starting to sound like waltchan here.)

I am glad that you have come to your senses apparently in more recent times. Hopefully waltchan sees the light eventually too :p.
 

strep3241

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Do we have an exact release date on coffee lake? Is Amd releasing anything soon?

With my budget, would I be able to afford coffee lake?

I don't have a problem with waiting but the thing is, I will always be waiting for the next best thing. By the time coffee lake comes out, a month or 2 later, something better will be coming out.

About overclocking, I may do a little bit but nothing to extreme.

On newegg, how do I make my wish list public? Each time I change it to public in settings, it goes back to private. And can public wishlists be posted in forums?
 
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strep3241

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If I build at this moment, I am going with the 1700x. Debating on if I should wait on Coffee Lake. If I knew it would be in the next month or maybe 2 months, I would consider waiting. But the way it looks, it might be towards the end of 2017 and possibly 2018. I do like the fact that intel runs at a higher clock speed vs amd.

I may also reuse my case, psu and cpu cooler.

Here is what I have picked out if I build now for an amd build.

COMBO: https://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.3517028 577.97

RAM: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232217 177.99
I know this one costs a little bit more and I would not be able to buy that combo deal above. Someone mentioned getting ram with samsung b-die chip for an amd build and this one has that but not sure how important that is

SSD: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147372 105.19

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226853 87.99
Which one of these would be better?

GPU: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487265 439.99

Total comes to $1123.15 using the combo deal and samsung ssd and reusing my PSU, case and cooler. If I don't go with the combo deal, buy the mobo, cpu and ram separate and get the g skill ram, total comes to $1193.15

Any issues with these parts or reusing my case, PSU and cooler? I know the PSU is overall for my current system so probably not been under a heavy load and it has a 7 year warranty. I know I can get an AMD mounting bracket for the cpu cooler for free if I want to wait 1-4 weeks to get it but being only 8 bucks I think, probably just buy it. I was wanting to keep my current system in tact but atm, I would not have a use for it. If something comes up, I can get a cheap case and use the stock cpu cooler and get a smaller psu for it.