looking at getting a nice sound system

rasczak

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I've been out of the sond area for a while, and I'm not sure as to what I sould be getting anymore. the last time i bought a system, surround sound wass the big thing. Now there's so many racks it's confusing the living daylights out of me.

here's what i'm looking for.

must be surround sound, I'm ok with 5.1. must be able to hook the system up to both my computer and my television.

so, i'm guessing i'll need an amp, receiver, surround sound (do these come in an all in one package?) speakers, cd/dvd player and a turntable.

if you guys have some good links I'd be happy to read. oh another thing, I'm losing my hearing (slowly but surely) so do you guys have any good headphone recommendations?

I really want to get nice clarity wth this system, this is the most important thing for me (almost as important as keeping the price somewhat low), since it's getting pretty hard to hear the and differentiate the different frequencies.


thanks in advance.

joe
 

YOyoYOhowsDAjello

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What do you have now? Any chance reusing some stuff? Anything specific you like / dislike about it?

I think it's getting pretty hard to get a decent affordable turntable. I think most units are targeting very high pricepoints now.

On a $2k budget, you'd be looking at receivers and using the built-in amps rather than going pre-pro / amp. AV123 has The ultra-lites, but that's probably a bit overkill for a $2k budget.

I have sort of a crappy general audio thread here if you want to look through it
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=30&threadid=1810562&enterthread=y

If you have a DVD player that works already and a turntable, you could probably just reuse those.

If you need to get everything, you'd probably want to get a sub $100 CD/DVD player. I wouldn't be the one to ask about a good affordable turntable.

With ~$1800 left, you should probably be thinking something along the lines of
~$900 5.0 speakers
~$500 sub
~$400 receiver

Do you know what kind of speakers you want? Floorstanding / bookshelf / etc.

How big is the space you're trying to fill, and does it have openings to other rooms?
Getting good bass performance can be very tough in a large room.

Are you pretty set on $2k, or is that just an upper limit? If your hearing is really going, there might not be much difference between a $500 HTIB and a $2k system.
 

rasczak

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Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello
What do you have now? nothing Any chance reusing some stuff? unfortunately no Anything specific you like / dislike about it? I loved it but I gave it away

I think it's getting pretty hard to get a decent affordable turntable. I think most units are targeting very high pricepoints now.

On a $2k budget, you'd be looking at receivers and using the built-in amps rather than going pre-pro / amp. AV123 has The ultra-lites, but that's probably a bit overkill for a $2k budget.

I have sort of a crappy general audio thread here if you want to look through it
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=30&threadid=1810562&enterthread=y

If you have a DVD player that works already and a turntable, you could probably just reuse those.

If you need to get everything, you'd probably want to get a sub $100 CD/DVD player. I wouldn't be the one to ask about a good affordable turntable.

With ~$1800 left, you should probably be thinking something along the lines of
~$900 5.0 speakers
~$500 sub
~$400 receiver

Do you know what kind of speakers you want? Floorstanding / bookshelf / etc.

How big is the space you're trying to fill, and does it have openings to other rooms?
Getting good bass performance can be very tough in a large room. It's going to go in our living room, which has a very high ceiling (approx 25 ft) and the room acutally melds into the hallway and stairs so it gets very large. But Bass isn't as important to me as mids and highs. (I love the crash of cymbals :) )

Are you pretty set on $2k, or is that just an upper limit? If your hearing is really going, there might not be much difference between a $500 HTIB and a $2k system.

Thank for the reply, basically none of the stuff will be reusable since I gave it to my stepfather. I can go a little higher but my upperlimit would be around $2500. Btw. what's an HTIB? Basically my old setup was all Onkyo Amp, Receiver, CD player all circa 1994, which I loved. It was a great system but I left home a while ago and my Mother loved having it, so I left it for her. When she passed away I was going to get it back, but my stepdad wanted to keep it, so I left it to him as a sort of thank you for having taken care of my Mother while she was dying.
 

YOyoYOhowsDAjello

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Sorry to hear about the story associated with your old stuff :(

HTIB = Hometheater in a box. Basically it would be speakers / sub / receiver (and maybe DVD player) sold as a package.

Onkyo makes decent ones

If you have the budget and desire for something higher end though, then go for it. I just wanted to make sure this was something you wanted to do. Some people would be perfectly happy with a $500 set (or even using the stock speakers in their TV *shudder*)


So... for your system...

For your sub, I'm pretty confident in recommending SVS as an option for you. With 25 foot ceilings, that's going to be very tough to get good bass going. You might want to send an e-mail out to the guys at SVS with dimension of your room to get an idea of what you might want to get. They'll give you a no BS response to what kind of sub would be good for your room size. Unfortunately from the info you gave, I bet you could probably spend your whole budget on sub and still want more :p (At least I probably would) I guess it certainly depends on what you're trying to accomplish though. If you don't care if you can get your hair moving, then an SVS PB10 / PB12 / 25-31 PCI would be a good choice.

If you're into woodworking, you might want to think about building a sub. I don't have the skills, patience, or tools to do it myself, but if you're into DIY, a sub would be a great first project. Much easier to do than speaker building (although that's not too hard from what I understand either) :p

For your receiver, pretty much anything from a decent company in the $500 range is going to be a good bet. Harman Kardon / Onkyo / Pioneer / Denon etc.
A few features that are making their way down to units in this pricerange are HDMI inputs and auto-equalization. I had auto-equalization on my receiver before I replaced it, and honestly I don't think it did a very good job. It seemed to mess up the timbre matching of my front three speakers (this was a Pioneer 1014tx).

Depending on what TV you get, you might not be running video through your receiver either. I'm sort of forced to due to having a projector across the room so I only want one cable running across the room. If you get a more standard set though, you might as well just send the video straight to the inputs on the TV. Your receiver will only have to handle audio if you do that.

Manufacturer specs are pretty much all over the place as far as power output goes. Pretty much anything in the $150 to $1000 range for receivers is going to give you a figure of something close to 100watts/channel (HK being one of the exceptions here). Don't base your decision off something like one receiver saying 100watts and another saying 110watts. With decently sensitive speakers and reasonable listening volumes you should be ok with pretty much anything in the $400 - $500 range by a good company.

Speakers are going to be a lot more subjective. This is where the biggest difference in sound is going to come from and where you're going to want to "invest" most of your money. If you can go out and listen to some different stuff, that would be great.

You'll get an idea of the kind of sound you like. It sounds like you have some idea what you want to hear, which is good :)
The most important speaker are going to be your front three. If you're going to skimp somewhere on your speakers, make it the surrounds. They don't do a whole lot during movies.

During movies your center is going to be doing something like 70% of the sound, so it's important to get a good one. For music, listening in 2.0/2.1 is probably what you want to be doing, so getting good main speakers is going to be key for good music listening.

For movies it's nice to have the front three speakers match for panning effects. Stay in the same brand and same product line for your speakers to get the most seamless sound.

If you can get out to some AV stores, check out some different stuff around your pricerange. Something along the lines of $300 to $500 a pair. Bring a few CDs of stuff you're familiar with and give some different products a listen.

Some stores will let you bring some stuff home to try it in your own room to see what you like. :)

I went through some retail demo-ing but ended up getting my speakers online. I think I got a lot more for my money going that route. I found a local owner and did a demo in his home. I liked what I heard and am very happy with my choice. I think I got something a step above the retail products I tried for the same price.

If you think you might want to try something like that, several online speaker manufacturers have forums where you could try to find someone in your area. If not, they will all give you a demo period to try their speakers before you decide if you want to keep them. If you don't, you can ship them back and get a refund. Depending on the company, you might lose the cost of shipping one way, both ways, or lose nothing at all (Aperion audio).

If I was doing this over again, I think I'd buy a pair of speakers from a few different online manufacturers and try them out in the intended listening environment. After trying them out for a week or two, I'd return the "losers" and then complete my system around the set I thought was the best. Kind of a lot of effort, but that might be the best way to do it to make sure you like what you're getting.

Ok, I'm rambling again :p

I don't remember how much of this stuff I wrote already in my General Audio Thread... it's been too long since I wrote it heh.

I do remember that I wrote down some brands to look at in there, so that might be a good place to check.
 

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I don't mean any offense, but isn't 2000 alot to be putting into a sound system if your hearing's going? I can distinguish between less than a semi tone variation in music and I'm using the old $800 dollar system my dad got when he was 18. It's an NAD 3150 with 2 large AR's with 26" subwoofers =p. It really depends how picky you are.

Oh yeah I was also going to say... If you're using this sound system for listening to music, then just get a 2 or 2.1 channel system. 5.1 is only for movies and games. You'll get higher quality sound from a 2.1, plus you won't have to figure out how to disable the delay period between front and rear channel speakers.

What are you going to use the headphones for? If for gaming, then sennheiser is probably the most reputable. If for listening to music and things like that. AKG, and Koss are pretty reputable for that. Of course every manufacturer has more than one product and different ones target different price markets. You should go into an audio store and ask to try them on. Everyone's ear is different, so everyone hears sound differently. Oh and if they use the blind curtain test, then you know they're a pretty dedicated store towards this stuff.
 

bigpow

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SVS SBS-01 5.1
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Denon 2807 or Yamaha RX-V2600
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Happy Guy !!!

Forget about those 4K B&W speakers or 4K Denon, give this <2K combo a try!
 

rasczak

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Originally posted by: Talcite

What are you going to use the headphones for? If for gaming, then sennheiser is probably the most reputable. If for listening to music and things like that. AKG, and Koss are pretty reputable for that. Of course every manufacturer has more than one product and different ones target different price markets. You should go into an audio store and ask to try them on. Everyone's ear is different, so everyone hears sound differently. Oh and if they use the blind curtain test, then you know they're a pretty dedicated store towards this stuff.

The headphones are there because I like to occasionally (more often than not) like to listen to music through them. I like to lie back on my recliner, put the phones on and just listen.

I do watch movies quite frequently as well, so the 5.1's make more sense.


I am leaning towards the Onkyo for the receiver as I've had nothing but good times with my old system.

Thanks for the links, and advice :)
 

myocardia

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Originally posted by: jpbelauskas
I am leaning towards the Onkyo for the receiver as I've had nothing but good times with my old system.

Thanks for the links, and advice :)
Just so you know, Onkyo isn't what they used to be, in the lower price range. Now, their HTIB's are the best, for HTIB's. Denon now makes the best receivers for the money. This receiver, for instance, is about the best receiver on the planet, for the money: Denon AVR-1907 I have last year's model of that same receiver, and I couldn't be happier. Notice that it has 3 component video inputs, with a 100 Mhz bandwidth. The Onkyo's in that price range don't come close, although this one is on sale, and is an excellent receiver: http://www.crutchfield.com/S-dT9tLaBiFY...-bin/ProdView.asp?g=10420&I=580TXS703B. <--That one is last year's model, my favorite way to buy audio equipment.

And if/since you're losing some hearing, I would definitely recommend you buy yourself some speakers with high sensitity. For instance, Cerwin-Vega's. I have a pair of C-V's with a 15" (sub)woofer, a 6½" midrange (as big as most speakers' woofers these days), and a 1" dome. I also have the "matching" center channel speaker, with dual 6½'s and the same tweeter. Oh, and fairly small Polk Audio surrounds. You wouldn't believe how good they sound, or how loud they will play. Oh, and if you were to get some 15" Vega's, you could wait awhile on picking out a sub, because mine will rattle windows in the next room, with my subs turned off. Here is quite a selection of Cerwin-Vega speakers, both full-range, and subs: link, although after looking at that page, C-V may not be what they were 6 or 7 years ago, when I bought mine.

As far as subwoofers, it's really hard to beat Klipsch, SVS or Velodyne, at least in my opinion. I like sound quality, but a subs' sound quality is really based on how low it can go, and what kind of output it has. And if you're interested in a sub, Best Buy (!!!) actually carries Klipch: Klipsch 12" sub and Circuit City now carries Velodyne: Klipsch page at Circuit City

Anyway, it's amazing what you can get if you shop around. And if you don't mind a little DIY, you can have amazing bass. You'll also need to have/buy power tools, and do alot of research, though. If you decide to build your own sub, I'd recommend going with one dual voice coil 15" car audio sub, or two 10" single voice coil car audio subs. You know those kids that drive by your house, and rattle your windows? Most have either two 10", two 12", or one 15" subs in their car. Wouldn't you like to have a little bit of that in your living room, for when there's a T-Rex stomping, or when there's a space ship hovering (in Stargate). I actually have two ported 10" car audio subs in my living room, in the same box (in separate airspace, of course), being pushed by an old 100w/channel Sony receiver, and you wouldn't believe how they sound. They sound better than my 12" powered sub, which won a "soundoff" for home theater subs.

Well, I've typed long enough. Good luck man. Oh, if you have a 4:3 TV (the "square" kind), and don't like having your DVD's be 1/3 the heighth of the screen, for the widescreen DVD's (2.35:1, 16X9 is 1.85:1), then look into a Panasonic DVD player. They have a zoom that doesn't change the picture quality at all, unlike everyone else's zoom. Oh, Sanyo's zoom is good, too, but their picture quality isn't as good. See ya.

edit: And if big, wide, and deep speakers aren't your thing, it's impossible to beat Polk Audio or Infinity, especially for the price: http://www.crutchfield.com/S-dT9tLaBiFY...2Al5Tvv999%2A5Tvniii&g=12000&showAll=1
 

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I'd recommend that you audition some Paradigm speakers. The lowest priced ones, Atom and Titan are the best value. The more expensive ones don't sound significantly better to me until you get to the Paradigm Reference line, which is out of your price range. The recommendation for SVS subs is probably a good one.

For headphones, I'd recommend Sony MDR-V6, which are discontinued but probably still available online.
 

YOyoYOhowsDAjello

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Yeah, Cerwin Vega isn't what it used to be. Might not be the best way to go now.

There has been a big push in the last several years away from big boxy 15" driver speakers into separating the bass into the subwoofer's domain and just letting your speakers handle the higher end stuff. Takes a lot of the load off your amp / receiver, and you get get a nice sub to fit your room size while you're at it.

For paradigm speakers, this link can give you an idea on the prices of different models:
http://www.bradfordshifi.com/prices.htm

If you buy a whole system, you can try to get a deal on them depending on the vendor.
 

AgaBoogaBoo

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My budget was pretty similar to your's when I was getting my current system, however I was only looking to get a 2.1 setup for the time being.

I picked up the Paradigm Studio 60's and a used 25-31 PC+ subwoofer along with a Harmon Kardon AVR 335 receiver. It was $1400 for the paradigms and $500 or so for the SVS subwoofer. I think the receiver was around maybe $400, can't remember exactly.

I'm very happy with them, however I think I should have maybe tried some of the online brands first. They get their parts from China, assemble them in the US, and sell them directly. This does a couple things:
- reduces another middleman
- keeps costs low (operate one location versus many across the nation)
- gives them a larger profit margin to work with and thus results in EXCELLENT customer service
- lowers the price for you without another middleman

There are three online brands you should consider:
1. http://www.av123.com/ - Their speakers are pretty good, avoid the x-ls for movies though. The x-ls is a pair I recently got and I absolutely love them for music, movies lack some detail however if you were to compare it to more mainstream items it probably isn't so bad.
2. Axiom Audio - http://axiomaudio.com/hometheaters.html - Try getting a deal on the Epic 60's or even Epic 80's, their speakers have excellent reviews online.
3. SVS - http://svsound.com/ - they've recently started to sell home theater sets and so that might work well for you, try and work out a package with a higher end subwoofer though if possible.

All of those three online retailers will have a pretty much no questions asked return policy in the event that you don't like them. $2000 is a good budget to work with and if you spend the time to research your options, you can really enjoy a system like this for many years.
 

Slugbait

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Originally posted by: adammthompson
For headphones, I'd recommend Sony MDR-V6, which are discontinued but probably still available online.
I second that motion. I have two pairs (one for work, one for home). When I was looking for the second pair about four years ago, only one online store carried them...now it seems everybody stocks them again, it should be way easy to find a pair. There are also replacement pads from B&H (the pads break down after awhile...the sweat produced from two years of Quake2 did mine in).

I personally don't like Onkyo. My last two HT receivers have been ES series (Sony). One thing to be aware of is that you may need 5.1 analog inputs for the computer, unless your machine has COAX-out. If it does, you need to make sure you have enough COAX inputs to handle both the machine and any HT equipment you will get.

 

JServ

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I've had a axiom setup with a harman kardon receiver and it worked very well.