Looking at a new small SUV...

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: Jumpem
They hand you a dealer plate with a magnet and tell you go drive as many of whatever you want. I would like to take a nice half hour plus test drive including a little highway stretch, but don't if that would be pushing it.

You can always ask them. It sounds like the answer will be, "yes."

The latest 2.5X would suffice for me, as it already does for lokiju, but this is truly a personal "feel" thing.

 

[rh71]

what's your driving style and how long do you plan to keep it for? I'd say turbo for sure if you drive for fun in the least. I desperately wanted one but didn't want to wait 1 full year until they finally offered it.

 

[marincounty]

Originally posted by: quakefiend420

Originally posted by: marincounty

Originally posted by: amdhunter
Turbo engines are fun to rebuild.

Fixed.

seriously?

what would make you think that a turbo engine would need to be rebuilt any sooner than a N/A one?
or are you just talking out your ass?

Uh, boost? Higher stress on engine parts.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Oil
What is the HP and torque difference?

Slow as liquid shit in January vs just plain slow.

 

[Jumpem]

Originally posted by: rh71
what's your driving style and how long do you plan to keep it for? I'd say turbo for sure if you drive for fun in the least. I desperately wanted one but didn't want to wait 1 full year until they finally offered it.

Driving style is pretty relaxed. Usaually only a couple mph over the speed limit. Mostly highway and 55mph rural roads.

 

[Jumpem]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Slow as liquid shit in January vs just plain slow.

I don't think 7.2 seconds 0-60 is slow for a small SUV. It's not an STi. Though I toyed with the idea of one since they are going for well under invoice and 0%. Maintenance would probably be costly driving 30k annually.

 

[vi edit]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Oil
What is the HP and torque difference?

Slow as liquid shit in January vs just plain slow.

It's not a Lotus or a motorcycle. Yeh, we get it.

 

[StageLeft]

only 3k diff on that get the turbo, for real. Turbo reliability should be fine. Subaru has been doing turbos for a long time.

 

[BUTCH1]

Originally posted by: Jumpem

Originally posted by: zerocool84
It's a no brainer, go for the base engine. Also that's not counting long term maintenance that you may have to do with the turbo and the things it has to go with it. Is the insurance the same on both models as well?

I haven't looked into insurance yet, but it doesn't seem to vary much (at least with my agent). It always seems to stay in the $600-650 range on all of the cars I have had in the past few years.

Get a specific quote, if your young, unmarried and owning a turbo anything it might be very expensive to insure, play it safe, get a quote..

 

[Kelvrick]

Don't just think of it as 3k for the turbo. It likely has a lot of other differences as well. Are there differences in suspension (coils, springs, sway bars), brake rotors/calipers? I'm sure the XT has some more options included in the basic package that the X doesn't.

Also, they might have different AWD packages. Do they both come with the lsd? What about fog lights.

 

[Jumpem]

Originally posted by: Kelvrick
Don't just think of it as 3k for the turbo. It likely has a lot of other differences as well. Are there differences in suspension (coils, springs, sway bars), brake rotors/calipers? I'm sure the XT has some more options included in the basic package that the X doesn't.

Also, they might have different AWD packages. Do they both come with the lsd? What about fog lights.

Larger wheels
Fog lights
Rear spoiler
Power driver's seat
Leather seating
Leather covered steering wheel snd shifter
Alluminum pedals
Upgraded audio system
Automatic climate control

AWD system is the same across trims. The LSD is not an option on the new Forester. Just Vehicle Dynamics Control.

 

[HannibalX]

Originally posted by: marincounty

Originally posted by: quakefiend420

Originally posted by: marincounty

Originally posted by: amdhunter
Turbo engines are fun to rebuild.

Fixed.

seriously?

what would make you think that a turbo engine would need to be rebuilt any sooner than a N/A one?
or are you just talking out your ass?

Uh, boost? Higher stress on engine parts.

If you slap a big turbo on some weak NA engine sure. Engines that are turbo or super charged from the factory have stronger internals to stand up to the increased pressure.

I guess the millions of turbo powered trucks on our roads that travel millions of miles missed your attention.

 

[RGUN]

Originally posted by: marincounty

Originally posted by: quakefiend420

Originally posted by: marincounty

Originally posted by: amdhunter
Turbo engines are fun to rebuild.

Fixed.

seriously?

what would make you think that a turbo engine would need to be rebuilt any sooner than a N/A one?
or are you just talking out your ass?

Uh, boost? Higher stress on engine parts.

I know jumpem wont bother indulging your comments but to those that dont know better. This is just not an issue. Like has been stated, obviously a turbocharged engine is designed different than a normally aspirated engine. And infact quite opposite to his point, the lower compression that most turboed cars use will result in lower stress on engine components unless you are driving aggressively and developing boost. Subaru turbocharged engines are damn reliable and when properly cared for will last as long as any other engine.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: Jumpem

Originally posted by: Kelvrick
Don't just think of it as 3k for the turbo. It likely has a lot of other differences as well. Are there differences in suspension (coils, springs, sway bars), brake rotors/calipers? I'm sure the XT has some more options included in the basic package that the X doesn't.

Also, they might have different AWD packages. Do they both come with the lsd? What about fog lights.

Larger wheels
Fog lights
Rear spoiler
Power driver's seat
Leather seating
Leather covered steering wheel snd shifter
Alluminum pedals
Upgraded audio system
Automatic climate control

AWD system is the same across trims. The LSD is not an option on the new Forester. Just Vehicle Dynamics Control.

All that for $3k and you're actually debating this?! *shock*

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: vi edit

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Oil
What is the HP and torque difference?

Slow as liquid shit in January vs just plain slow.

It's not a Lotus or a motorcycle. Yeh, we get it.

Did I mention anything at all about a motorcycle or a Lotus?

 

[EvilHorace]

If the car comes with that choice and it's car with reliable turbos, always get the turbo version. Have two turbo Volvo's myself and won't own a non-turbo version of the same as I like faster cars even though they burn premium which cost $4.70 per gallon last summer at one point and get worse mileage with led foot applied. I'm not happy with a slow car.

 

[Jumpem]

Originally posted by: EvilHorace
If the car comes with that choice and it's car with reliable turbos, always get the turbo version. Have two turbo Volvo's myself and won't own a non-turbo version of the same as I like faster cars even though they burn premium which cost $4.70 per gallon last summer at one point and get worse mileage with led foot applied. I'm not happy with a slow car.

Well I went from an STi and an olde model Forester XT to a 109hp Fit. So I could get by with the slower model if I had to.

 

[BurnItDwn]

If it would fit in the budget I'd get the turbo.
If the additional costs (fuel, payments, insurance) would sting too much, then I'd buy a used turbo.

 

[SickBeast]

I read that the non-turbo Subarus are great so long as you go with the manual transmission.

They say that you might want the turbo if you buy an automatic.

I couldn't imagine buying a car like that with anything but a manual.

I think the Subarus are a great deal with the base options, but they get pricier than some Audis once you soup them up with turbos and nice trim packages.

IMO 170hp is enough for a small car, especially with AWD; that said with AWD you can take advantage of more horsepower due to the increased traction.