Look like the welcome is worn out already. Germany to impose border controls.

[Svnla]

As I said in another thread, too much people = cracking down. Not just Germany but the neighbors are cracking down too.

Germany is to introduce temporary controls on its border with Austria to cope with the influx of migrants, the interior minister has said.

Thomas de Maiziere said refugees could "not choose" their host countries and called on other EU states to do more.

Trains between Germany and Austria have been suspended for 12 hours.



Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban, who has taken a tough line on the migrant crisis, told Germany's Bild newspaper he welcomed the new controls, saying they were "necessary to protect German and European values".

On Sunday, the Czech Republic also said it would boost border controls with Austria.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/germany-to-impose-border-controls/ar-AAeeSFQ?li=AAa0dzB

 

[Jaskalas]

If that happened in America we'd just be called racist.

In reality, a nation does not exist without borders.
A people cannot effect a rule of law and govern themselves without sovereignty.
And sovereignty is threatened by imbalances in the system, such as a lack of resources, or a flood of immigrants and refugees.

 

[Indus]

If Europe was so concerned with their borders, maybe they should have taken sides in the Civil War but they were too busy worrying about Greece Euro Bailouts.

This human migration is just the beginning of the problem in this century.

It will happen again as China will not be able to feed it's population and it'll have enough military to invade a few countries to use as its bread basket, sort of how the Roman Empire expanded to Africa to use Morocco and Libya as its bread basket. The real question is where will it go? South East to The Philippines, Vietnam, Thailand, Burma or South West to Pakistan and Iran for their oil next door?

 

[alcoholbob]

China will be losing 20 million people a year by 2040 due to its demographics. Too many mouths to feed is not an issue for them. Also with $22 trillion in savings they can buy as much food as they need in the open market.

 

[Indus]

China will be losing 20 million people a year by 2040 due to its demographics. Too many mouths to feed is not an issue for them. Also with $22 trillion in savings they can buy as much food as they need in the open market.

$22 trillion? How did you get that number?

 

[Charmonium]

Not to sound heartless, but I don't really understand why Europe or the US for that matter, is obliged to open it's doors to every refugee that wants to leave. If you're a refugee and have something to offer like some notable skill, then fine. Make some special rules for those that will be valuable to your economy. I don't have a problem with that.

But if your home country is in turmoil I would think that you have some obligation to stay there and fight for it. I can see having a moral obligation to provide support in the form of humanitarian relief, but Europe already has a problem with illegal immigration. Personally, I don't blame them for wanting to stem the tide.

 

[kage69]

Shitty situation, no argument there, but it's their right. Seeing as how they've been basically supporting a lot of Europe lately already, I can't say I blame them.

I'm a humanitarian, but I also believe borders mean something.

 

[alcoholbob]

$22 trillion? How did you get that number?

It's what's been reported by most financial sites as the amount of money in Chinese savings accounts.

 

[kage69]

If Europe was so concerned with their borders, maybe they should have taken sides in the Civil War but they were too busy worrying about Greece Euro Bailouts.

This human migration is just the beginning of the problem in this century.

It will happen again as China will not be able to feed it's population and it'll have enough military to invade a few countries to use as its bread basket, sort of how the Roman Empire expanded to Africa to use Morocco and Libya as its bread basket. The real question is where will it go? South East to The Philippines, Vietnam, Thailand, Burma or South West to Pakistan and Iran for their oil next door?

That's why they are in Africa actually, but I'd put money on China's surplus male population and effective propaganda creating more "indisputable sovereignty!" fiction for them to pursue in the future.

50 years from now we might be hearing how the Chinese think they own I don't know, Brazil. Or the moon.

 

[waggy]

well duh. why should the German people feed/clothe/house them? and the numbers are amazing.

glad ot see them do this.

 

[crashtech]

I've been hearing a lot of sobbing on NPR about the refugee crisis, and it seems a foregone conclusion with the folks being interviewed that it's the refugee's right to demand the hospitality of their neighbors. I have some mixed feelings about this, on one hand, no one wants to be thought of as inhospitable, but then again how many of us have sought out a homeless individual and taken them in as one of our own? Refugees are essentially homeless people that are also foreign. I wonder how many individual households would volunteer to take in a refugee family? I can't help but feel there is probably a bit of NIMBY even among advocates for refugees.

 

[Charmonium]

They could always try to emigrate to Russia. I'm sure Putin would be happy to have them. Or better yet, Ethiopia or Somalia, or Saudi Arabia, or . . . .

 

[OutHouse]

Fucking disgusting. Send those fucktards back to the shithole they slithered from.

You have a responsibility to vet what you post for the truth, so as to not add to hate propaganda through a vicisous visual lie.

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[Brian Stirling]

I think Germany's rethink is due to pressure from there neighbors. That and the rising voices of the right that always protest these things. One can only hope this is clamped down on soon or the vile from the right will infect others and then we could be in a world of hurt.

The idea that we here in the USA would open our homes to tens of thousands of Muslims when we see how much we hate Mexican's (Trump) should be sobering to the 'let's invite them in' crowd. But, if any western nation had an obligation to help it is the USA given the destabilization we created in that region of the world. I can't imagine many of our European friends are all too happy with the conditions we in the US created but they are being forced to deal with.

Not good.


Brian

 

[Victorian Gray]

Far more common scenes in Germany

Dortmund:

Munich:

Munich:

Dresden:

 

[DucatiMonster696]

I think Germany's rethink is due to pressure from there neighbors. That and the rising voices of the right that always protest these things. One can only hope this is clamped down on soon or the vile from the right will infect others and then we could be in a world of hurt.

The idea that we here in the USA would open our homes to tens of thousands of Muslims when we see how much we hate Mexican's (Trump) should be sobering to the 'let's invite them in' crowd. But, if any western nation had an obligation to help it is the USA given the destabilization we created in that region of the world. I can't imagine many of our European friends are all too happy with the conditions we in the US created but they are being forced to deal with.

Not good.


Brian

Nope. The US has ZERO obligation to take in Syrian refugees. And if you want to take about who has destabilized Syria the most look at Iran and Russia who are knee deep with responsibility as they prop up the regime in Syria.

 

[Jaskalas]

Nope. The US has ZERO obligation to take in Syrian refugees. And if you want to take about who has destabilized Syria the most look at Iran and Russia who are knee deep with responsibility as they prop up the regime in Syria.

When those regimes fall you get genocidal terrorism like ISIS.
Last I checked its us, the United States, purposefully and actively TRYING to make that happen in Syria.
Just like we did to Iraq.

 

[pcgeek11]

As I have read there were about 21 countries other than the USA that were involved with the invasion of Iraq. Then there were about 15 others that were behind the scenes...

So no it isn't all the USA's fault.

 

[JSt0rm]

So no it isn't all the USA's fault.

Its Bush and Cheney's fault.

 

[Brian Stirling]

Its Bush and Cheney's fault.

Ultimately, the hardon to go back to Iraq to finish the job his father didn't is on Bush/Cheney and they bamboozled enough of our friends to go along for the ride. Mind you, in the aftermath of 9/11 many of our friends were willing to go to war with us and Bush/Cheney knew it -- and played them.

Obama is not without blame as the rise of ISIS would not have happened without the power vacuum we left when we left. We spent many many billions to build up the Iraq military and police forces but they couldn't get control of a kindergarten classroom let alone warring factions of Islam.

But, had we not gone in Obama would not have needed to stay so ultimately the blame belongs with Bush/Cheney.

We will be dealing with that shithole for decades to come.


Brian

 

[flexy]

Fucking disgusting. Send those fucktards back to the shithole they slithered from.

A Tineye reverse search quickly showed this is an image of ISIS sympathizers, back some year(s) ago, having NOTHING to do with the current wave of refugees.

Also...your comment is entirely stupid and out of line.

PS: If you turn on about 5 brain cells and look at the image, do those guys look like fricking REFUGEES?

 

[JSt0rm]

A Tineye reverse search quickly showed this is an image of ISIS sympathizers, back some year(s) ago, having NOTHING to do with the current wave of refugees.

Also...your comment is entirely stupid and out of line.

PS: If you turn on about 5 brain cells and look at the image, do those guys look like fricking REFUGEES?

Lol. Owned that dumb pos. let's see if he comes back for his crow.

 

[1prophet]

Far more common scenes in Germany

Dortmund:

Munich:

Munich:

Dresden:

Wait until the honeymoon is over, too many brainwashed or phony liberal types who are fighting and opposing their own home based religious right types like Kim Davis have no problem bringing in people with similar if not more extreme religious beliefs before asking some simple questions like

1. are these refugees going to be fully integrated, socially (secularized) as well as physically?
2. Will they stay on welfare or become productive European citizens?
3. Are their young people going to have a future and opportunities or unemployed, angry, discontented, ripe for the pickings of some Osama bin Laden wannabe type cleric?

 

[flexy]

Wait until the honeymoon is over, too many brainwashed or phony liberal types who are fighting and opposing their own home based religious right types like Kim Davis have no problem bringing in people with similar if not more extreme religious beliefs before asking some simple questions like

1. are these refugees going to be fully integrated, socially (secularized) as well as physically?
2. Will they stay on welfare or become productive European citizens?
3. Are their young people going to have a future and opportunities or unemployed, angry, discontented, ripe for the pickings of some Osama bin Laden wannabe type cleric?

I can of course not generalize here, and I definitely ALSO don't want to deny that immigrants and the entire "multi cultural" thing integration causes problems, here and there. I say that even as a very liberal, progressive.

However, I can tell you that Germany is extremely proactive in integrating refugees (or at least tries to), this includes language courses, school etc.
(The language courses might even be mandatory for those accepted as refugees/asylum seekers for staying here)

It is in no-one's interest to have 100,000 refugees come to Germany and have them live off welfare for the rest of their lives, Germany is not that stupid. However, I will also not deny that the current big number of refugees coming in causes problems, logistically etc..the people need to be registered, they need to be given places to stay etc..this is my understanding why they currently closed the border again.

"Munich is full" according to news, they simply can't take more at the moment, this weekend is was 40.000 alone

 

[Blanky]

I think these countries are insane. War refugees from a Muslim country are about as opposite as democratically-borne Europeans as you can be. They are going to influence the culture and they have a recent track record of living in a failed society; from a dictatorship to civil war. One needs to tread very carefully trying to integrate them. Inevitably they will end up in marginalized conditions in smaller sub communities within their new nation.

I read that per capita Sweden plans on taking in the most migrants: 80,000 for a country only 100 times as big. How do you think the US would want 3M war refugees from Syria?

Not all from this recent influx are war refugees, but they are pretty much all from failed states.

It's interesting to me that polls show many or most Europeans don't really have an issue with all these immigrants, but there are exceptions. England is taking in very few, and the english population is widely against taking in substantial numbers of people.