LOOK----448core gtx560 ti review

[tweakboy]

ok now the price will be about 260/ 270$ at launch, I guess.
The gtx560ti 448 Evga FTW card @ 797 core is going for 289$ at Fry's.

With performance 7% slower than a gtx570, it should be about 23$ cheaper.

CUrrent gtx570's are about 320$, so anything under 298$ is right where this card should be, it seems .

I bet its priced between a 69502gb and gtx570. 240$ & 320$

That is 300 dollars, dont forget tax.... for that price he should be getting a 570 no ? or maybe 20 bucks or 30 bucks more...

 

[happy medium]

That is 300 dollars, dont forget tax.... for that price he should be getting a 570 no ? or maybe 20 bucks or 30 bucks more...

I dont pay tax and I try not to pay shipping with the cards I buy.

 

[3DVagabond]

Can you name 1 game that a 6950 can play at a miminum 40fps while utilizing more than 1.25gb of memory.

No mods or aftermarket texture packs allowed.

I cant wait for your answer.

The answer I came up with is none. You need 2 6950's utilize more than 1.25gb of memory.

How about a game with a 6950 utilizing more than 1gb of memory with a minimum of 40 fps.?

Can you do it?

In general .............
A 5870, 6870, 6950, gtx560ti's are all too weak to utilize more than 1gb of memory while gaming at a minimum of 40 fps.

A gtx570 might use 1.25gb before it runs out of fps in game.
A single 6970 2gb will never use more than 1.5gb of memory unless its crossfired before it runs out of fps in game.

6950 2gb and 6970 2gb cards were made to crossfire.
If you dont crossfire them chances are you never used more than 1gb of its memory before the cards run out of gas.


I read this comment, I thought "people actually believe this sh!t"?

"My 6950 regularly sees about 1.5GB of usage across all multiplayer maps, and occasionally goes up to around 1.8GB.

This is based on what Afterburner graphs tell me. "


Ok I wanna know what settings his 6950 was running to use 1.8gb of memory and play at over 40fps minimum. Complete BS.

Irrelevant. If someone is looking at 2 cards for ~same perf/$ and one has 2gig of vram and the other has 1.25gig, which are they going to buy?

You're basically geting a GTX 480 for half the original launch price *LAST YEAR*, proving once again top of the line cards are an absolute rip off.

It's a gtx 470 not 480. The 570 is the same as the 480.

In the end, it's either being done for competitive reasons, as I said to better compete with the HD 6950 2Gb, or they are chips that are of no other use. If they are using up crap chips, then anything they get for them above the cost of bringing the cards to market, is a bonus. If nothing else it increases market penetration and takes sales from your competition. If it's the 1st, then it builds profit for the 570 allowing them to sell it for a higher price, and hopefully takes sales from your competition, not your own products.

 

[happy medium]

Irrelevant. If someone is looking at 2 cards for ~same perf/$ and one has 2gig of vram and the other has 1.25gig, which are they going to buy?

So , the answer is there is no game that a single 6950 2gb can run above 40fps minimum.

Thanks, thas the answer I was looking for.

ok how about 1gb?
Since a gt560ti/5870 is only about 7% slower than a 6950 2gb, does that mean that a gtx 560ti should have 2gb of memory?

No only when you plan on sli.thats the answer I got.

So reflecting back on what we just learned. Does it matter if the gtx560ti 448 core only has 1.25gb of memory?

No, only if you plan on buying 2 now today, because new cards are comming ,and I dont think anyone is gonna sli or crossfire any higher end cards till then.

 

[happy medium]

It's a gtx 470 not 480. The 570 is the same as the 480.

Its faster than gtx470 and only 7 or 8% slower than a gtx570, so yea it will beat a 69502gb.
Lets call it a gtx568?

 

[3DVagabond]

So , the answer is there is no game that a single 6950 2gb can run above 40fps minimum.

Thanks, thas the answer I was looking for.

ok how about 1gb?
Since a gt560ti/5870 is only about 7% slower than a 6950 2gb, does that mean that a gtx 560ti should have 2gb of memory?

No only when you plan on sli.thats the answer I got.

So reflecting back on what we just learned. Does it matter if the gtx560ti 448 core only has 1.25gb of memory?

No, only if you plan on buying 2 now today, because new cards are comming ,and I dont think anyone is gonna sli or crossfire any higher end cards till then.

Sorry, but no I never said anything at all about that. Sorry if it was intended to be a leading question and I didn't play along. Please reread my answer.

For some reason you want to turn this into a debate over the merits of vram. While I could go on and make a point for 2gigs of vram it's irrelevant and I can't be bothered with such an excercise. I'm simply talking about selling the card to consumers. More is better in the marketplace, mate.

 

[ocre]

Irrelevant. If someone is looking at 2 cards for ~same perf/$ and one has 2gig of vram and the other has 1.25gig, which are they going to buy?

With this logic how does Nvidia sell any gtx570s or the gtx580 for that matter???????

It's a gtx 470 not 480. The 570 is the same as the 480.

In the end, it's either being done for competitive reasons, as I said to better compete with the HD 6950 2Gb, or they are chips that are of no other use. If they are using up crap chips, then anything they get for them above the cost of bringing the cards to market, is a bonus. If nothing else it increases market penetration and takes sales from your competition. If it's the 1st, then it builds profit for the 570 allowing them to sell it for a higher price, and hopefully takes sales from your competition, not your own products.

These are a limited edition. There is only one stock of them and when they are all sold they are gone. There is a bunch of gf110 chips that they want to clear out. I am not sure if they are "crap" chips. I do know of a few that overclocked extremely good which is in conflict of that. perhaps some chips with bad cores but i wouldnt be so sure. I kinda expect these things could be flashed to a GTX570. That would be interesting......

 

[happy medium]

My guess is it's because they were tired of having to sell 570's against 6950 2gig cards (The current 560 ti doesn't quite do it). This will allow them to up the price on the 570 to more align against the 6970. Still short on vram though when compared to the 6950 2gig, which I think will hurt it.

You brought up the video ram ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^mate

For some reason you want to turn this into a debate over the merits of vram. While I could go on and make a point for 2gigs of vram it's irrelevant and I can't be bothered with such an excercise. I'm simply talking about selling the card to consumers. More is better in the marketplace, mate.

I'm still waiting for that 1 game that a 6950 2gb will utilize more than 1.25gb of memory while playing at 40 fps minimum.:whiste:

Even 1gb of memory??:whiste::whiste:

 

[Grooveriding]

Sorry, but no I never said anything at all about that. Sorry if it was intended to be a leading question and I didn't play along. Please reread my answer.

For some reason you want to turn this into a debate over the merits of vram. While I could go on and make a point for 2gigs of vram it's irrelevant and I can't be bothered with such an excercise. I'm simply talking about selling the card to consumers. More is better in the marketplace, mate.

He gets irate when VRAM limitations get discussed. As far as he is concerned 1GB is enough to do anything out there.

This card will be like the 570, good for 1920x1200 and on down. For $280 though, I would pony up the little extra and just get a 570, I mean why not.

The 2GB 6950 will be a better card @ 2560x1600, this card looks like it will be better for lower resolutions so long as it is equal or cheaper in price than a 6950 is.

So many cards seem pointless, a lot of them perform just like the one below it with an overclock. I think nvidia just like releasing new stuff all the time to keep the hype train up, this is now what, the fourth 560 derivative ?

 

[happy medium]

He gets irate when VRAM limitations get discussed. As far as he is concerned 1GB is enough to do anything out there.

Perhaps you'd like to save him?

I'm still waiting for that 1 game that a 6950 2gb will utilize more than 1.25gb of memory while playing at 40 fps minimum.

Even 1gb of memory??

 

[happy medium]

Can you name 1 game that a 6950 can play at a miminum 40fps while utilizing more than 1.25gb of memory.

No mods or aftermarket texture packs allowed.

I cant wait for your answer.

The answer I came up with is none. You need 2 6950's utilize more than 1.25gb of memory.

How about a game with a 6950 utilizing more than 1gb of memory with a minimum of 40 fps.?

Can you do it?

In general .............
A 5870, 6870, 6950, gtx560ti's are all too weak to utilize more than 1gb of memory while gaming at a minimum of 40 fps.

A gtx570 might use 1.25gb before it runs out of fps in game.
A single 6970 2gb will never use more than 1.5gb of memory unless its crossfired before it runs out of fps in game.

6950 2gb and 6970 2gb cards were made to crossfire.
If you dont crossfire them chances are you never used more than 1gb of its memory before the cards run out of gas.


I read this comment, I thought "people actually believe this sh!t"?

"My 6950 regularly sees about 1.5GB of usage across all multiplayer maps, and occasionally goes up to around 1.8GB.

This is based on what Afterburner graphs tell me. "


Ok I wanna know what settings his 6950 was running to use 1.8gb of memory and play at over 40fps minimum. Complete BS.

Here is the entire question and reason behind it, groover.

 

[3DVagabond]

You brought up the video ram ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^mate

It's all about perceived value.

I'm still waiting for that 1 game that a 6950 2gb will utilize more than 1.25gb of memory while playing at 40 fps minimum.:whiste:

Even 1gb of memory??:whiste::whiste:

It's not relevant. We are talking about, given the choice between a 1gig or 2gig card, same perf/$, which are people going to buy. The answer is the 2gig card. Surely that's a simple enough concept for you to grasp?

 

[happy medium]

It's not relevant

than dont bring it into the thread.

Quote:
Originally Posted by 3DVagabond
My guess is it's because they were tired of having to sell 570's against 6950 2gig cards (The current 560 ti doesn't quite do it). This will allow them to up the price on the 570 to more align against the 6970. Still short on vram though when compared to the 6950 2gig, which I think will hurt it.

 

[ocre]

It's all about perceived value.





It's not relevant. We are talking about, given the choice between a 1gig or 2gig card, same perf/$, which are people going to buy. The answer is the 2gig card. Surely that's a simple enough concept for you to grasp?

why would anyone buy a GTX570 then when you have 2gb AMD cards with te same perf/$ you speak of.

 

[3DVagabond]

than dont bring it into the thread.

Quote:
Originally Posted by 3DVagabond
My guess is it's because they were tired of having to sell 570's against 6950 2gig cards (The current 560 ti doesn't quite do it). This will allow them to up the price on the 570 to more align against the 6970. Still short on vram though when compared to the 6950 2gig, which I think will hurt it.

I'm talking about sales. Selling the card. Which, after all, is why they are releasing it, It's to sell it.

why would anyone buy a GTX570 then when you have 2gb AMD cards with te same perf/$ you speak of.

We don't care about anyone. We care about the masses. Why would they come out with 2gig 560 ti's and 2.5gig 570's if it didn't matter?

 

[ocre]

He gets irate when VRAM limitations get discussed. As far as he is concerned 1GB is enough to do anything out there.

This card will be like the 570, good for 1920x1200 and on down. For $280 though, I would pony up the little extra and just get a 570, I mean why not.

The 2GB 6950 will be a better card @ 2560x1600, this card looks like it will be better for lower resolutions so long as it is equal or cheaper in price than a 6950 is.

So many cards seem pointless, a lot of them perform just like the one below it with an overclock. I think nvidia just like releasing new stuff all the time to keep the hype train up, this is now what, the fourth 560 derivative ?

and at 2560x1600 the 1gb hd 6950 would perform exactly the same as the 2gb 6950 for less money:

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/HD_6950_1_GB/22.html

For the most part these cards dont need all that ram. Clearly the 6950 isnt powerful enough to really take advantage of the situation or you would see it in the link i showed. Across 20 games and 5 resolutions it almost identical. Furthermore at 2560x1600 they average identical!

 

[Grooveriding]

Perhaps you'd like to save him?

I'm still waiting for that 1 game that a 6950 2gb will utilize more than 1.25gb of memory while playing at 40 fps minimum.

Even 1gb of memory??

No idea, I'm not going to sleuth one out. Based on my gaming and benchmarks I've seen, I'd bet a 6950 2GB could give playable frames in Crysis with 4xAA @ 2560x1600 and this card would choke on memory issues.

Away from that, 2 6950 2GBs will do very well @ 2560x1600 or 3 monitor resolutions allowing for AA and the like, while these cards won't. These are not the most mainstream of solutions though.

Still as I said whether you need one or two cards to get a decent framerate, if you are going to game at a very high resolution, this card is probably not the one for you. If that is what you guys were discussing.

 

[ocre]

I'm talking about sales. Selling the card. Which, after all, is why they are releasing it, It's to sell it.



We don't care about anyone. We care about the masses. Why would they come out with 2gig 560 ti's and 2.5gig 570's if it didn't matter?

nvidia didnt.

you make zero sense. Your logic would mean no one buys the gtx 500 series cards, they will only buy AMD and only Nvidia cards from only the non-reference vender added extra ram versions. I have yet to see a single person with an nvidia card like that but know of many gtx owners.

 

[happy medium]

I'd bet a 6950 2GB could give playable frames in Crysis with 4xAA @ 2560x1600

This is Warhead which is less demanding than Crysis. GTX580 is the only card for those settings.

Does crossfire use video memory? WHy does the 5870 and 6870 tank but single cards work?

 

[ocre]

No idea, I'm not going to sleuth one out. Based on my gaming and benchmarks I've seen, I'd bet a 6950 2GB could give playable frames in Crysis with 4xAA @ 2560x1600 and this card would choke on memory issues.

Away from that, 2 6950 2GBs will do very well @ 2560x1600 or 3 monitor resolutions allowing for AA and the like, while these cards won't. These are not the most mainstream of solutions though.

Still as I said whether you need one or two cards to get a decent framerate, if you are going to game at a very high resolution, this card is probably not the one for you. If that is what you guys were discussing.

interesting cause i am about to link showing you that the 1gb 6950 version beats out the 2gb 6950 in crysis 4xaa 2560x1600

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/HD_6950_1_GB/11.html

And neither are playable!!!!

the extra 1 gig does almost nothing, look at it!!!!! Marketeers!!!

 

[happy medium]

interesting cause i am about to link showing you that the 1gb 6950 version beats out the 2gb 6950 in crysis 4xaa 2560x1600

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/HD_6950_1_GB/11.html

And neither are playable!!!!

the extra 1 gig does almost nothing, look at it!!!!! Marketeers!!!

1gb 6950 beats 2gb 6950 in Metro also.

 

[toyota]

lol, are you two acting retarded on purpose? 6950 1gb "beating" the 2gb model in those links??? there is less than 1/2 of a frame difference between a 6950 1gb and 2gb in Metro 2033 and Crysis...

 

[happy medium]

lol, are you two acting retarded on purpose? 6950 1gb "beating" the 2gb model in those links??? there is less than 1/2 of a frame difference between a 6950 1gb and 2gb in Metro 2033 and Crysis...

Read the thread bud. There is a reason behind the madness.

 

[TakeNoPrisoners]

1gb 6950 beats 2gb 6950 in Metro also.

It beat it so good there, oh boy!

 

[happy medium]

Toyota, ....

Can you name 1 game that a 6950 can play at a miminum 40fps while utilizing more than 1.25gb of memory.

No mods or aftermarket texture packs allowed.

I cant wait for your answer.

The answer I came up with is none. You need 2 6950's utilize more than 1.25gb of memory.

How about a game with a 6950 utilizing more than 1gb of memory with a minimum of 40 fps.?

Can you do it?

In general .............
A 5870, 6870, 6950, gtx560ti's are all too weak to utilize more than 1gb of memory while gaming at a minimum of 40 fps.

A gtx570 might use 1.25gb before it runs out of fps in game.
A single 6970 2gb will never use more than 1.5gb of memory unless its crossfired before it runs out of fps in game.

6950 2gb and 6970 2gb cards were made to crossfire.
If you dont crossfire them chances are you never used more than 1gb of its memory before the cards run out of gas.


I read this comment, I thought "people actually believe this sh!t"?

"My 6950 regularly sees about 1.5GB of usage across all multiplayer maps, and occasionally goes up to around 1.8GB.

This is based on what Afterburner graphs tell me. "


Ok I wanna know what settings his 6950 was running to use 1.8gb of memory and play at over 40fps minimum. Complete BS.

this was the question^^^^^^^^

because of this response.........

My guess is it's because they were tired of having to sell 570's against 6950 2gig cards (The current 560 ti doesn't quite do it). This will allow them to up the price on the 570 to more align against the 6970. Still short on vram though when compared to the 6950 2gig, which I think will hurt it.