Longtime marijuana users perform worse on tests

[imported_hscorpio]

Originally posted by: Indolent

Originally posted by: AznAnarchy99
"They were 20 long-term users who had smoked four or more marijuana cigarettes a week for at least 10 years"

O RLY? no shitznit that they are gonna be stupid. If you are a long term drinker that drinks 4 or more drinks a weekf or 10 years your gonna be ****** up too

by drinks i mean gettin to the high of weed

four drinks a week isn't going to do a damn thing.

Thats why he said "by drinks i mean getting to the high of weed" which I believe translates to drinking enough to get inebriated 4 times or more a week. So if you usually get drunk off a 6 pack it would be like drinking a 6 pack 4 times a week. Theres not a well defined conversion factor for this kind of stuff.

 

[imported_hscorpio]

Originally posted by: Unmoosical

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Unmoosical
Misinformation....

Pot does not severely damage the brain in any way. As with anything it's about moderate use. But even if there isn't moderate use Pot is the one drug there has never been a recorded overdose on.

And no, I don't smoke.

Define "moderate" use.

It makes you stupid. It doesn't take a study to show this. The effects on the mind are well documented.

But then again I don't need a google answer to prove what I've seen. Many folks in college that were way smarter than I and we were amazed by their brillance. Only to watch them fail in life because they the smoked a whole lotta pot.

Yes pot does severly damage the brain the same as any drug does. Read up.

Read up? I work in a substance use lab. No severe damage. "Read up."

And as was stated earlier correlation does not equal causation. Becoming lazy is likely caused from hanging out with other people who's lifestyle is the "I'm a hippy pot smoker." It's all about expectations. Expectations of drugs are why different people get different things from drugs.

Take alcohol. What in alcohol makes you feel sexy or feel better or more social or whatever? What chemical is that? It's an expectancy. The pharmacological effects of alcohol are dizziness, sedation, nausea, vasodiolation and its a diuretic. Anything else is from what you expect it to do.

Back to pot. The "typical" pot idea of people that smoke pot are lazy so when I smoke this I will become lazy comes into play. Pot doesn't make people lazy. Their expectancy does.

:thumbsup:

You would think he would get the expectations idea given his vast understanding of psychology. It really is interesting how things like alcohol advertisements and dare commercials effect the users experience.

 

[aswedc]

Back to pot. The "typical" pot idea of people that smoke pot are lazy so when I smoke this I will become lazy comes into play. Pot doesn't make people lazy. Their expectancy does.

No, it's not pot that makes people lazy. When people think all they need in life is pot, that makes them lazy.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Unmoosical

Read up? I work in a substance use lab. No severe damage. "Read up."

And as was stated earlier correlation does not equal causation. Becoming lazy is likely caused from hanging out with other people who's lifestyle is the "I'm a hippy pot smoker." It's all about expectations. Expectations of drugs are why different people get different things from drugs.

Take alcohol. What in alcohol makes you feel sexy or feel better or more social or whatever? What chemical is that? It's an expectancy. The pharmacological effects of alcohol are dizziness, sedation, nausea, vasodiolation and its a diuretic. Anything else is from what you expect it to do.

Back to pot. The "typical" pot idea of people that smoke pot are lazy so when I smoke this I will become lazy comes into play. Pot doesn't make people lazy. Their expectancy does.

Whatever man. Pot strips you of all your goals and the pharmacological effects are well documented. Just as they are for nicotine and alchohol.

I still say you need to take basic psychology to understand.

Otherwise you wouldn't be asking the questions you do in your post because you would know exactly why.

I gave it up a long time ago, glad it didn't ruin my life like it has so many people/friends I know.

 

[Udel]

To be completely honest, I am stoned right now. Smoking, I love to do it, and I am probally smarter then most of you ATOT neffers anyway. Say whatever you want about weed, whatever makes you happy.

 

[l Xes l]

Mr. Obvious!!!

 

[Udel]

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Even if the study was unbiased, contained a representative sample of the population, and produced results impartial to any political agenda, it still means nothing with regard to whether or not the drug should be legalized. I would imagine that people who drink huge amounts of alcohol of a period of years would be prone to some physical and psychological effects, just the same as those who heavily smoke tobacco do. Or heavily use any kind of drug.

Word. :thumbsup:

x3

 

[IAteYourMother]

Originally posted by: Udel

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Even if the study was unbiased, contained a representative sample of the population, and produced results impartial to any political agenda, it still means nothing with regard to whether or not the drug should be legalized. I would imagine that people who drink huge amounts of alcohol of a period of years would be prone to some physical and psychological effects, just the same as those who heavily smoke tobacco do. Or heavily use any kind of drug.

Word. :thumbsup:

x3

where the fvck did legalization ever have anything to do with this thread?

 

[SampSon]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Unmoosical

Read up? I work in a substance use lab. No severe damage. "Read up."

And as was stated earlier correlation does not equal causation. Becoming lazy is likely caused from hanging out with other people who's lifestyle is the "I'm a hippy pot smoker." It's all about expectations. Expectations of drugs are why different people get different things from drugs.

Take alcohol. What in alcohol makes you feel sexy or feel better or more social or whatever? What chemical is that? It's an expectancy. The pharmacological effects of alcohol are dizziness, sedation, nausea, vasodiolation and its a diuretic. Anything else is from what you expect it to do.

Back to pot. The "typical" pot idea of people that smoke pot are lazy so when I smoke this I will become lazy comes into play. Pot doesn't make people lazy. Their expectancy does.

Whatever man. Pot strips you of all your goals and the pharmacological effects are well documented. Just as they are for nicotine and alchohol.

I still say you need to take basic psychology to understand.

Otherwise you wouldn't be asking the questions you do in your post because you would know exactly why.

I gave it up a long time ago, glad it didn't ruin my life like it has so many people/friends I know.

I'm going to have to disagree. I will give that poster the benefit of the doubt and say he is vastly more experienced in the pharmacological effects of marijuana. Also there are no documented cases of permanent damage from marijuana or more specifically THC.

I think that he did cover the psychological aspect of substance use in his post. It was simplified but it got to the point. It's not the drug is the person who uses the drug. This does not hold true with all substance, but marijuana is a very good example of this.

If pot ruined your friends/acquaintances lives then they weren't very driven and, no offense, probably weren't going to amount to very much if they couldn't handle marijuana in stride with the rest of their life. If marijuana ruins your life then you have much bigger problems than substance use. There are millions of people across the globe that run perfectly healthy and successful lives while smoking marijuana occasionally or regularly.
The marijuana didn't ruin thoes people's lives, they ruined their own lives.

 

[Udel]

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother

Originally posted by: Udel

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Even if the study was unbiased, contained a representative sample of the population, and produced results impartial to any political agenda, it still means nothing with regard to whether or not the drug should be legalized. I would imagine that people who drink huge amounts of alcohol of a period of years would be prone to some physical and psychological effects, just the same as those who heavily smoke tobacco do. Or heavily use any kind of drug.

Word. :thumbsup:

x3

where the fvck did legalization ever have anything to do with this thread?

Because the anybody who understands the constitution would be hard pressed to accept the legalization of marijuana. If the government cannot prove a real reason as to why MJ should be banned to society, which they have not been able to for many years, it should be legalized. Some drugs, I agree, need to be banned from society, but MJ cannot even be proven to be any more harmful then either smoking cigs or drinking.. Where is the logic of that?

 

[IAteYourMother]

Originally posted by: Udel

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother

Originally posted by: Udel

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Even if the study was unbiased, contained a representative sample of the population, and produced results impartial to any political agenda, it still means nothing with regard to whether or not the drug should be legalized. I would imagine that people who drink huge amounts of alcohol of a period of years would be prone to some physical and psychological effects, just the same as those who heavily smoke tobacco do. Or heavily use any kind of drug.

Word. :thumbsup:

x3

where the fvck did legalization ever have anything to do with this thread?

Because the anybody who understands the constitution would be hard pressed to accept the legalization of marijuana. If the government cannot prove a real reason as to why MJ should be banned to society, which they have not been able to for many years, it should be legalized. Some drugs, I agree, need to be banned from society, but MJ cannot even be proven to be any less harmful then either smoking cigs or drinking.. Where is the logic of that?

now then, why would someone who understands the constitution be HARD PRESSED to accept the legalization of MJ, which, as you say, is relatively harmless compared to cigs/alcohol??? Being stoned obviously doesn't accelerate your mental capacity.

 

[Udel]

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother

Originally posted by: Udel

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother

Originally posted by: Udel

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Even if the study was unbiased, contained a representative sample of the population, and produced results impartial to any political agenda, it still means nothing with regard to whether or not the drug should be legalized. I would imagine that people who drink huge amounts of alcohol of a period of years would be prone to some physical and psychological effects, just the same as those who heavily smoke tobacco do. Or heavily use any kind of drug.

Word. :thumbsup:

x3

where the fvck did legalization ever have anything to do with this thread?

Because the anybody who understands the constitution would be hard pressed to accept the legalization of marijuana. If the government cannot prove a real reason as to why MJ should be banned to society, which they have not been able to for many years, it should be legalized. Some drugs, I agree, need to be banned from society, but MJ cannot even be proven to be any less harmful then either smoking cigs or drinking.. Where is the logic of that?

now then, why would someone who understands the constitution be HARD PRESSED to accept the legalization of MJ, which, as you say, is relatively harmless compared to cigs/alcohol??? Being stoned obviously doesn't accelerate your mental capacity.

Nor does being drunk.. What people do in their one time in their own homes is their own businesses. If the government cannot provide a real reason to criminalize something that grows out of the ground, how do they fine fit to ban it? The pricate sector can still choose to not hire drug users if they see fit, so why would this be a problem for you?

 

[IAteYourMother]

Originally posted by: Udel

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother

Originally posted by: Udel

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother

Originally posted by: Udel

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Even if the study was unbiased, contained a representative sample of the population, and produced results impartial to any political agenda, it still means nothing with regard to whether or not the drug should be legalized. I would imagine that people who drink huge amounts of alcohol of a period of years would be prone to some physical and psychological effects, just the same as those who heavily smoke tobacco do. Or heavily use any kind of drug.

Word. :thumbsup:

x3

where the fvck did legalization ever have anything to do with this thread?

Because the anybody who understands the constitution would be hard pressed to accept the legalization of marijuana. If the government cannot prove a real reason as to why MJ should be banned to society, which they have not been able to for many years, it should be legalized. Some drugs, I agree, need to be banned from society, but MJ cannot even be proven to be any less harmful then either smoking cigs or drinking.. Where is the logic of that?

now then, why would someone who understands the constitution be HARD PRESSED to accept the legalization of MJ, which, as you say, is relatively harmless compared to cigs/alcohol??? Being stoned obviously doesn't accelerate your mental capacity.

Nor does being drunk.. What people do in their one time in their own homes is their own businesses. If the government cannot provide a real reason to criminalize something that grows out of the ground, how do they fine fit to ban it? The pricate sector can still choose to not hire drug users if they see fit, so why would this be a problem for you?

I didn't refute that, and I'd actually support legalization of marijuana... but you're still not answering my question. And like I said earlier, being stoned obviously doesn't accelerate your mental capacity.

 

[Udel]

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother

Originally posted by: Udel

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother

Originally posted by: Udel

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother

Originally posted by: Udel

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Even if the study was unbiased, contained a representative sample of the population, and produced results impartial to any political agenda, it still means nothing with regard to whether or not the drug should be legalized. I would imagine that people who drink huge amounts of alcohol of a period of years would be prone to some physical and psychological effects, just the same as those who heavily smoke tobacco do. Or heavily use any kind of drug.

Word. :thumbsup:

x3

where the fvck did legalization ever have anything to do with this thread?

Because the anybody who understands the constitution would be hard pressed to accept the legalization of marijuana. If the government cannot prove a real reason as to why MJ should be banned to society, which they have not been able to for many years, it should be legalized. Some drugs, I agree, need to be banned from society, but MJ cannot even be proven to be any less harmful then either smoking cigs or drinking.. Where is the logic of that?

now then, why would someone who understands the constitution be HARD PRESSED to accept the legalization of MJ, which, as you say, is relatively harmless compared to cigs/alcohol??? Being stoned obviously doesn't accelerate your mental capacity.

Nor does being drunk.. What people do in their one time in their own homes is their own businesses. If the government cannot provide a real reason to criminalize something that grows out of the ground, how do they fine fit to ban it? The pricate sector can still choose to not hire drug users if they see fit, so why would this be a problem for you?

I didn't refute that, and I'd actually support legalization of marijuana... but you're still not answering my question. And like I said earlier, being stoned obviously doesn't accelerate your mental capacity.

I don't completely disagree with that. Personally, I feel marijuana use opens up my creative and spiritual side. Maybe thats not the case, either way, it does not merit the criminalization of a freaking plant.

 

[aidanjm]

who cares. Where is it written that you have to maintain your mental faculties at peak efficiency for your entire life? maybe some people like to just kick back and be a bit dopey. isn't that their right?

 

[IAteYourMother]

Originally posted by: aidanjm
who cares. Where is it written that you have to maintain your mental faculties at peak efficiency for your entire life? maybe some people like to just kick back and be a bit dopey. isn't that their right?

of course, that's not the argument here. We're arguing over whether it really make you dopey permanently or not for long term use

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother

Originally posted by: aidanjm
who cares. Where is it written that you have to maintain your mental faculties at peak efficiency for your entire life? maybe some people like to just kick back and be a bit dopey. isn't that their right?

of course, that's not the argument here. We're arguing over whether it really make you dopey permanently or not for long term use

I'm saying it doesn't matter whether it does or not.

Altho, really, it's pretty obvious that it does.

 

[IAteYourMother]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother

Originally posted by: aidanjm
who cares. Where is it written that you have to maintain your mental faculties at peak efficiency for your entire life? maybe some people like to just kick back and be a bit dopey. isn't that their right?

of course, that's not the argument here. We're arguing over whether it really make you dopey permanently or not for long term use

I'm saying it doesn't matter whether it does or not.

Altho, really, it's pretty obvious that it does.

And that's where this thread shot off :/

 

[Udel]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother

Originally posted by: aidanjm
who cares. Where is it written that you have to maintain your mental faculties at peak efficiency for your entire life? maybe some people like to just kick back and be a bit dopey. isn't that their right?

of course, that's not the argument here. We're arguing over whether it really make you dopey permanently or not for long term use

I'm saying it doesn't matter whether it does or not.

Altho, really, it's pretty obvious that it does.

Yea, haha, true. But, I'm still like, mad good at math.

 

[IAteYourMother]

Originally posted by: Udel

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother

Originally posted by: aidanjm
who cares. Where is it written that you have to maintain your mental faculties at peak efficiency for your entire life? maybe some people like to just kick back and be a bit dopey. isn't that their right?

of course, that's not the argument here. We're arguing over whether it really make you dopey permanently or not for long term use

I'm saying it doesn't matter whether it does or not.

Altho, really, it's pretty obvious that it does.

Yea, haha, true. But, I'm still like, mad good at math.

okay? what did you do, win some genius grant?

 

[LtPage1]

4+ a week for 10+ years? Yeah, I think that'd F you up. No more than getting plastered 4+ times a week for 10+ years though, I'd wager.

 

[IGBT]

Originally posted by: LtPage1
4+ a week for 10+ years? Yeah, I think that'd F you up. No more than getting plastered 4+ times a week for 10+ years though, I'd wager.

..more then likely this is a lead up to increased drug testing in public schools. Infact yeaterday's action line in the news was increased funding for more random testing.

 

[Electric Amish]

How do we know these people weren't below average to begin with?

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe

Originally posted by: joedrake
If you drink too much water you can die.
/thread

This has nothing to do with dying.. The study is showing that marijuana has physical effects on your brain, despite what a lot of people have been saying.

Actually, this study is showing that the long-term smokers they picked scored lower on tests, and that's about it. Now, if they'd taken test results from those people before they started smoking, after smoking for 5 years, and then again at 10 years, they'd be approaching a semblance of credibility.

 

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Oh i get it! all the dope i used back in middle school was bad for me? who knew? so that's why i failed my SAT's! I'll sue the drug seller!